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#55 - Dean Ball x Daniel Kokotajlo Anti-Debate - Should GOVERNMENTS or MARKETS control AI?
Apr 1, 2026
1h 25m 43s
#54 - Greg Lukianoff - Free Speech in the Age of AI
Mar 11, 2026
1h 03m 45s
#53 - John Schultz - Why Google Made ChatGPT, Gemini & Claude Play 900,000 hands of Poker...
Feb 6, 2026
35m 32s
#52 - Will MacAskill - What Comes AFTER Superintelligence?
Jan 27, 2026
1h 29m 51s
#51 - Tyler Cowen - Markets, Institutions and Why AI Hype is (Probably) Overblown
Jan 12, 2026
1h 52m 17s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
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| 4/1/26 | #55 - Dean Ball x Daniel Kokotajlo Anti-Debate - Should GOVERNMENTS or MARKETS control AI?✨ | AI regulationgovernment vs market+4 | Dean BallDaniel Kokotajlo | OpenAIDepartment of War+3 | Light Haven | AIregulation+6 | — | 1h 25m 43s | |
| 3/11/26 | #54 - Greg Lukianoff - Free Speech in the Age of AI✨ | free speechAI+4 | Greg Lukianoff | FIRE.orgACLU | — | free speechAI+6 | — | 1h 03m 45s | |
| 2/6/26 | #53 - John Schultz - Why Google Made ChatGPT, Gemini & Claude Play 900,000 hands of Poker...✨ | AIpoker+4 | John Schultz | Google DeepMindKaggle | — | AI Game Arenapoker+5 | — | 35m 32s | |
| 1/27/26 | #52 - Will MacAskill - What Comes AFTER Superintelligence?✨ | superintelligenceAI ethics+5 | Will MacAskill | ForethoughtOxford University+1 | — | superintelligenceAI+5 | — | 1h 29m 51s | |
| 1/12/26 | #51 - Tyler Cowen - Markets, Institutions and Why AI Hype is (Probably) Overblown✨ | AI riskhuman institutions+4 | Tyler Cowen | George Mason university | — | AIeconomics+5 | — | 1h 52m 17s | |
| 12/17/25 | #50 - Samantha Sweetwater - Why Indigenous Wisdom Is Important In The AI Age✨ | indigenous wisdomAI alignment+4 | Samantha Sweetwater | True Human | — | AIindigenous wisdom+5 | — | 2h 11m 42s | |
| 11/25/25 | #49 - British Politician Katie Lam - Defeating Grooming Gangs, Stagnation & Safetyism✨ | British economygrooming gangs+5 | Katie Lam | National Health Service (NHS)British+3 | BritainUSA | British economygrooming gangs+5 | — | 2h 20m 20s | |
| 10/8/25 | #48 - Jim Rutt - Why Capitalism Is Now A Game of Mind Control✨ | capitalismmind control+5 | Jim Rutt | Santa Fe InstituteGame B movement | — | capitalismmind control+8 | — | 2h 30m 36s | |
| 9/25/25 | #47 - Emmett Shear - Why NATURE Holds the Answers To AI Alignment✨ | AI alignmentsuperintelligent AI+4 | Emmett Shear | TwitchOpenAI+1 | — | AIalignment+5 | — | 1h 42m 59s | |
| 8/13/25 | #46 - Isabelle Boemeke - Why Nuclear Power Is The Rad Future We Need✨ | nuclear powerclean energy+4 | Isabelle Boemeke | IsodopeIAEA | IranChina | nuclear energyclean energy+6 | — | 2h 16m 32s | |
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| 7/30/25 | #45 - Dominic Cummings - Stagnation, Corruption & Rebooting The System | Dominic Cummings is one of the most polarizing figures in Britain. He's a political strategist who masterminded the main campaign for Brexit. He was also Chief Advisor to Prime Minister Boris Johnson for some of his term, including through COVID. He even had Benedict Cumberbatch play him in a movie! He's also a student of systems, having worked in or around government and civil institutions all his life, which is why I wanted to talk to him, because he's someone who has seen the depth of systemic rot pervading not just the UK, but the whole West. In this wide-ranging, no-holds-barred conversation, Igor and I hear why our governments are collapsing under their own weight, the rise of algorithm-driven politics and civil service monopolies, and the general systemic dysfunctions hollowing out the West's institutions. We also explore whether scientific and technological leadership and a whole lot of radical transparency can save us — or if we’re already past the tipping point.So if you’re craving real talk about power, governance, and what it might take to rebuild from the rubble, you'll enjoy this conversation!Chapters: 01:51 - Is Dominic competitive?07:30 - First Interest in Politics 12:18 - Beginning of his Euroskepticism16:50 - The current state of the British regime23:04 - His Time in No.10 Downing Street 33:00 - Who is actually in charge?36:38 - More COVID screwups40:05 - The Consciousness of the System45:15: Avoiding Future pandemics1:01:27 - Isn't the role of the government to provide stability?1:07:17 - The Issue of Bureaucracy1:11:57 - Machiavelli And Escaping the Wheel1:15:53 - Singapore1:19:34 - Digitizing the Government?1:22:00 - Moloch, Incentives & Political sacrifice1:25:28 - The Media Is A Simulation of Reality1:29:12 - How to design better social media platforms1:31:05 - Sensemaking in the AI age1:37:24 - UK Grooming Gangs Coverup1:48:21 - Political Gaslighting, Freedom of Speech & 2nd Amendment1:50:38 - Blasphemy and Islamophobia Laws in UK1:56:10 - The Sacred Cow of Multiculturalism2:02:22 - Core Principles To Live By2:07:48 - Smart vs Dumb Approaches to Regulation2:17:05 - Rapid fire PredictionsLinks: ♾️ Dominic’s X: https://x.com/Dominic2306 ♾️ Dominic’s Substack: https://dominiccummings.substack.com ♾️ Simulacra and Simulation: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22613.Simulacra_and_Simulation?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_6♾️ Moloch explainer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRz54V7rU4U♾️ Brexit The Movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8425058/♾️ Mary Wakefield (Dominic’s wife) response to the movie: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/benedict-cumberbatch-on-playing-my-husband-dominic-cummings/Credits:♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico♾️ Intro by Perry SinclairThe Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into. Win-Wins.Podcast links:♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #systemchange #politics | — | ||||||
| 7/10/25 | #44 - Dean Spears - Population Decline Is Worse Than You Think | The world is having fewer babies than ever. But how bad is this, really? What's causing it? Is there a win-win solution out there that can help people have more babies, if they want them?In this special "Win-Win Live" event, I speak to Professor Dean Spears - a demographer and economist whose research examines the impact of population decline. He's the author of the book "After The Spike" which explores why people are choosing to have fewer babies, and the stark realities it would mean if the population continues on its current path. As you'll see, the latter half of this conversation opens up into a group discussion with many previous Win-Win guests who I invited to join because such a complex and sensitive topic requires as many perspectives as possible! What do you think is the solution? Let me know in the comments below.Chapters:0:22 - Introduction to the Fertility Crisis4:12 - Why Over-Population Isn’t A Thing11:17 - What’s Causing It?16:03 - Role of Social Trends18:20 - Role of Biological Infertility & Toxins23:10 - Wouldn’t Fewer People Take Pressure Off The Environment?28:56 - Climate, Ocean and Other Planetary Boundaries32:28 - Paul Erlich and Dangers of Zero-Sum Thinking36:25 - Can’t AI & Robots Fill The Economic Gap?42:58 - Historical Strategies That Increased Birth Rates?48:40 - Impact of Contraception52:57 - Which Sub-Populations Are Bucking The Trend?57:37 - How To Help Women Have Careers And Babies?59:56 - The Issues of A Heavily Elderly Population1:05:13 - Examples of Successful Incentives1:09:07 - More AI Stuff1:17:47 - Opportunity Cost Hypothesis1:22:28 - Won’t People Just Adapt?1:27:55 - COVID-19 And Fertility Rate1:29:17 - Family Size Distributions1:34:31 - Research on Declining IntimacyLinks: ♾️ Dean's Website: https://deanspears.net/♾️ After The Spike Book - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/After-the-Spike/Dean-Spears/9781668057339♾️ Dean's NYTimes article: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/29/opinion/population-climate-progress.html♾️ Population Projections: https://ourworldindata.org/un-population-2024-revisionCredits:♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links:♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #populationdecline #fertilitycrisis | — | ||||||
| 6/17/25 | #43 - Jamie Joyce - Democracy, Digitization and Debates | Democracy is in deep trouble. Could replacing politicians with real data save it? In this episode Liv sits down with Jamie Joyce – founder of the Society Library — to explore one of the most urgent questions of our time: how do we make sense of complex issues in the age of misinformation, algorithmic bias, and AI slop?We hear what happens when you treat information not as content to consume, but as infrastructure to build. Jamie shares how her nonprofit is transforming fraught topics—from nuclear power to AI—into structured “libraries of reasoning” to help politicians, citizens, and even machines understand all perspectives more clearly and come to more informed conclusion.One of all you bibliophiles out there!Chapters:0:00 - Intro4:30 - Diablo Canyon Debate Map14:26 - How To Evaluate Evidence?16:18 - How To Minimize Bias?19:06 - How To Handle Bad Faith & Fringe Perspectives24:16 - What About Flat Earth Type Conspiracies?28:37 - Cyber Attacks On Internet Archive33:54 - Modernizing Government41:01 - The Evil of Corporate Lobbying49:40 - Managing Info Hazards 53:19 - Society Library Virtues And Values57:06 - When Jamie Neatly Went Blind1:01:27 - Improving The Information Ecosystem1:12:44 - Prediction Markets and Sense-making1:15:25 - Structuring Data For Improved Learning1:22:17 - Society Library Meme Token Nonsense1:32:21 - Rapid Fire Predictions1:38:51 - Jamie's Favorite Win-WinLinks: ♾️ The Society Library : https://www.societylibrary.org ♾️ Internet Archive : https://archive.org ♾️ Jamie’s X : https://x.com/justjamiejoyce?lang=en Credits♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win PodcastPoker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #Democracy #Sensemaking | — | ||||||
| 5/21/25 | #42 - Anthony Aguirre and Malo Bourgon - Why Superintelligent AI Should Not Be Built | Humanity is in a race to build superintelligent AI gods. What happens if we create beings smarter than us—and can no longer steer them?In this special Win-Win IRL episode, Liv Boeree sits down with Anthony Aguirre (CEO of Future of Life Institute) and Malo Bourgon (CEO of MIRI) for a no-holds-barred conversation on finding alignment, avoiding power concentration and surveillance states, and the geopolitical implications of the race to AGI.Questions include: Why can’t the market be trusted to self-regulate AI? Why does power concentration in AI pose such a massive threat to democracy? And what happens when even well-meaning developers lose control of the systems they’ve built? We also explore win-win solutions—from compute governance and open-source safety measures, to collaborative international treaties and new models for responsible innovation. Also keep an eye out So buckle up for a provocative episode that challenges assumptions and asks what it will really take to keep the future human.Chapters:0:00 - Intro4:08 - Different Categories of Risks10:51 - Why Can't the Market Manage AI Risks Sufficiently?15:33 - The Dangers of Power Concentration22:52 - What Solution Space Exists?32:55 - Should Compute be Regulated?38:38 - Taylor Capito - Are we at an Evolutionary Nexus42:07 - JD Ross - Decentralization vs Centralization46:46 - Isabelle Boemeke - Nuclear Power & AI51:06 - Peter Wang - Wrong Stories Attract the Wrong People57:39 - Aurora Quinn-Elmore & Eliezer Yudkowsky - Coherent Extrapolated Volition1:05:59 - Can Win-Win be embedded into AI? Links: ♾️ Keep the Future Human Paper: https://keepthefuturehuman.ai ♾️ Future of Life Institute: https://futureoflife.org ♾️ MIRI: https://intelligence.org ♾️ Superintelligence Book by Nick Bostrom - https://www.amazon.com/Superintelligence-Dangers-Strategies-Nick-Bostrom/dp/0198739834Credits:♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links:♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #AGI #podcast #aialignment | — | ||||||
| 5/2/25 | #41 - Harper Carroll - AI & The Spirituality of Silicon Valley | What if AI isn’t replacing us—but redefining what it means to be skilled? Liv talks with engineer and educator Harper Carroll about how AI is transforming education, leveling the playing field for creators, and reshaping how we build, learn, and make decisions. A grounded look at the tools, challenges, and surprising upsides of the AI era, as well as a personal exploration of the spirituality (or lack of it) in Silicon Valley.Chapters 01:04 - Intro & Harper’s Story 04:58 - Growing a Following 07:18 - AI vs Machine Learning 11:18 - Harper’s Mission 18:43 - Her Favorite Applications of AI 27:27 - Choosing Between AI Tools29:46 - Integrating AI in Schools33:11 - Regulation to Prevent Over-Financial Optimization 36:59 - Leveling the Playing Field with AI 46:40 - Should People Still Learn to Code? 51:05 - AI Therapists? 57:54 - AI & Spirituality 1:02:28 - Cultivating Intuition and Wisdom 1:09:23 - Silicon Valley, Tech Bros and Femininity 1:16:00 - AI Generated Scams 1:21:13 - The Cat-and-Mouse Game of Scammers 1:28:23 - The Hive Mind 1:35:05- Agency and Gratitude ♾️ Harper IG : https://www.instagram.com/harpercarrollai/?hl=en ♾️ Harper Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/@HarperCarrollAI ♾️ Harper X : https://x.com/harperscarroll?lang=en Credits♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win PodcastPoker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@LivBoeree ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUa... ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts... #winwinpodcast #AI #technology | — | ||||||
| 4/18/25 | #40 - Lewis Bollard - How to End Factory Farming | Factory farming is one of the most universally loathed industries on Earth —so why is it still growing?Today I chat with Lewis Bollard, a leading researcher in farm animal welfare and global food policy, to understand the true scale and impact of industrial animal agriculture, and what we can do to improve it. We hear how corporate lobbying and political corruption have allowed the normalization of practices so harmful to both human and animal health they will take your breath away… including irresponsibility towards deadly pathogens like H5N1, intentional animal torture, massive antibiotic overuse and environmental contamination of large areas downstream of these giant intensive farms.On the more positive side, we explore the growing bipartisan support for animal welfare among voters, and how simple ballot measures could radically shift the future of our food back onto a healthier, more win-win path. So strap in for an intense episode—but one that’s packed with practical solutions and reasons for hope.0:00 - Intro & Lewis's life story 4:20 - What Qualifies as a Factory Farm? 14:20 - The Human Cost Of Factory Farming 20:33 - U.S. Labeling Standards 25:11 - Pandemic Risks from Factory Farming 31:45 - Environmental Impacts 36:28 - Mental Health Of Farm Workers 43:13 - Undercover Reporting 48:14 - Political Corruption and Incentives 53:14 - EATS Act & the Farm Bill 1:00:32 - Ag-gag Laws 1:04:32 - Improvements & Solutions 1:17:29 - Government Subsidies 1:24:02 - Technological Solutions 1:31:08 - Cultivated Meat 1:39:52 - What YOU can do!1:45:38 - Finding a Win-Win Future of FarmingLinks : ♾️ US Statistics on Factory Farming: https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/almost-all-livestock-in-the-united-states-is-factory-farmed♾️ Global Statistics on Factory Farming https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-are-factory-farmed♾️Voters Demand Farm Animal Protections : https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2022/8/2/voters-demand-farm-animal-protections-from-both-politicians-and-companies ♾️ Take Action to Oppose the EATS act / anti Prop 12 addition to the Farm Bill: https://animalequality.org/stop-eats-act/♾️ Follow Lewis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Lewis_Bollard♾️ Follow Lewis on Substack: https://substack.com/@farmanimalwelfareCredits♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win PodcastPoker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #animalwelfare #factoryfarming | — | ||||||
| 4/3/25 | #39 - Daniel Kokotajlo - Wargames, Superintelligence & Quitting OpenAI | AI is developing at breakneck speed—but are we properly prepared for what’s coming? To explore this question Igor and I grabbed leading AI researcher and forecaster Daniel Kokotajlo for a conversation about why he left OpenAI, what's right and wrong with their company culture, and how tabletop wargames are one of the best tools we have to prepare for AGI and superintelligence in the current hyper-competitive environment. Learn how these simulations—often used by militaries—can help us better forecast the geopolitical and technical dynamics of AI development, and why so many of them end with one person taking over the world. The gang also explore the challenges of AI alignment, incentive structures and reasons for hope. And of course, lots of predictions. Win-Win!Chapters0:00 - Intro01:06 - AI Wargame & Superintelligence05:15 - Resigning from OpenAI09:15 - That Non-Disparagement Clause & His Equity12:50 - Could OpenAI's behavior be Justified?20:50 - Governance in a world with AGI23:49 - Grading Daniel's AI predictions31:37 - Hyperstition yay or nay?38:09 - AI war games46:50 - AI deception and misalignment53:27 - More AI war games1:03:16 - Common sense AI policies1:23:01 - Science Fiction1:27:12 - Rapid fire predictionsLinks : ♾️ Daniel's new Predictions : https://ai-2027.com♾️ His Historic predictions : https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/6Xgy6CAf2jqHhynHL/what-2026-looks-like♾️ AI - Futures: https://ai-futures.org ♾️ Time Article on Daniel : https://time.com/7086285/ai-transparency-measures/ ♾️ Professional Wargaming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wargaming ♾️ UN Pandemic Exercise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174&list=PL9-oVXQX88esnrdhaiuRdXGG7XOVYB9Xm&index=2 ♾️ Leopold Aschenbrenner’s “Situational Awareness”: https://situational-awareness.ai/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/situationalawareness.pdf ♾️ Daniel’s X: https://x.com/DKokotajlo Credits♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree & Igor Kurganov♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win PodcastPoker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #ai #openai | — | ||||||
| 3/19/25 | #38 - Manu Meel - Healing Political Polarization | Protests, lock-ins, encampments…the culture on university campuses is certainly fraught these days! As political discourse worsens among young people, I couldn’t think of anyone better to explore this issue with than Manu Meel. Manu is the founder and CEO of Bridge USA; a movement to help students and other young people engage in constructive dialogue and disagreement to improve the quality of politics and democracy, and in this conversation we hear his powerful journey from pre-med student to leading one of the most influential youth organizations in America.Chapters :00:00 - Intro01:35 - What Is Bridge USA07:19 - Understanding The Social Divide19:03 - What A Classic Bridge Session Looks Like25:35 - Who Attends Bridge Sessions33:24 - Incentivizing Understanding40:21 - Managing Bad Faith Actors47:24 - Movement Building52:23 - Where Zero Sum Can Be Positive58:16 - Changes On Campuses Since Trump Election01:02:35 - Ten Percent Problem01:06:33 - What Would A Social Media Redesign Look Like01:18:03 - Bridging The Political Divide In Government01:23:42 - Manu’s MindsetLinks: BridgeUSA: https://bridgeusa.org 2017 Berkeley protests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests Why Bother Bridging Differences in College, Anyway?: https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/why_bother_bridging_differences_in_college_anyway What students really think about cancel culture: https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/02/college-campus-free-speech-cancel-culture/621484/ Manu X: https://x.com/manumeel_?lang=en Forbes Profile: https://www.forbes.com/profile/manu-meel/The Coddling of the American Mind:https://www.amazon.com/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0141986301?tag=googhydr-20&source=dsa&hvcampaign=books&gclid=Cj0KCQjws-S-BhD2ARIsALssG0bzR-EjXTbiUf1i4UBiffPJvMi5IfpxEK6n6J6m049zsbW5nVKOYeMaAjVvEALw_wcB Credits:♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.Podcast links:♾️ Youtube: • Win-Win with Liv Boeree ♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 | — | ||||||
| 3/13/25 | #37 - Tim Urban - Beating Procrastination, Parenthood, and Politics | In this episode of the Win Win Podcast, Liv and Igor sit down with Wait But Why creator Tim Urban to explore everything from his unexpected pet tortoise, Winston, to the mind-bending implications of superintelligent AI.We hear about his latest foray into book writing, and how he’s structured his workflow to overcome his damn procrastination monkey. The crew also discuss such classics as free will, parenthood and the current state of (un) freedom of speech in the UK. Fun stuff.Chapters:0:00 - Intro1:27 - Book Writing11:33 - Thoughts On Free Will15:54 - Liv & Tim's Wager34:26 - Systems for Work, Life and Progress37:52 - Parenthood43:02 - Picking the Right Life Partner48:47 - That Bloody Heat Map1:00:38 - Political Changes and Currents1:15:07 - UK Political Degradation1:22:40 - Surveillance and Government Overreach1:33:17 - Rapid Fire PredictionsLinks:♾️ Wait But Why Blog: https://waitbutwhy.com ♾️ What's our problem? Book: https://waitbutwhy.com/whatsourproblem ♾️ Heat Map study : https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12227-0 ♾️ Apple pulls data protection feature in UK : https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-removing-end-to-end-cloud-encryption-feature-uk-bloomberg-news-reports-2025-02-21/Credits♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. | — | ||||||
| 2/21/25 | #00 - Daniel Schmachtenberger - AI, Capitalism, Misalignment & Moloch | A deep dive into the game theory and exponential growth underlying our modern economic system, and how recent advancements in AI are poised to turn up the pressure on that system -- and our wider environment -- in ways we have never seen before. Not a conversation for the faint hearted, but crucial nonetheless. Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of The Consilience Project, a research organization aimed at improving public sense-making around global catastrophic risks and technology. This conversation is the first episode of the Win-Win Podcast, which explores healthier ways to harness the power of competition.Chapters:00:00 - Introduction02:17 - Moloch Framework12:16 - Meta Crisis26:48 - Bad People or Bad System?31:09 - Capitalism & Moloch40:08 - Misalignment51:31 - Incentive Pressures Driving Misalignment57:58 - Moloch Driving AI Development01:00:50 - AI Risks Pre AGI01:07:31 - AI Accelerates Existing Systemic Issues01:15:35 - Social Media01:19:07 - Alternative Goals01:23:56 - Cooperation on AI01:28:16 - Call to ActionDaniel's Links♾️ The Consilience Project: https://consilienceproject.org♾️ Green Pill | The Metacrisis: • The Metacrisis with Daniel Schmachten... ♾️ Bend Not Break series | • Daniel Schmachtenberger “Bend Not Bre... ♾️ Meditations on Moloch by SlateStarCodex: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/ ♾️ The Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. | — | ||||||
| 1/29/25 | #36 - Bill Perkins - Space and The Future of Satellite Imaging | In this episode of the Win-Win podcast we are floating off the coast of Starbase, watching the live launch of Starship 6 with Bill Perkins. Bill is a founder of two satellite imaging companies that aim to address environmental issues by making satellite data—once inaccessible to the public—widely available, revolutionizing everything from climate monitoring to illegal fishing enforcement. We also see a rocket launch, and Liv cries (again). Something for everyone. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 2:17 - Launch 4:30 - Short Term Benefits of Space 5:56 - Unleashing the hive mind 6:40 - Hyperspectral 8:57 - Restrictions and Regulations on Imaging 11:30 - Use Cases 13:59 - How to Preserve Privacy? 16:40 - The Future of Satellite Imaging 20:53 - Rapid Fire Predictions Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. | — | ||||||
| 1/23/25 | #35 - Allison Duettman - Cooperation, Technology and the Power of Existential Hope | Explore the future of cooperation and technology in this thought-provoking episode of the Win Win Podcast! Liv chats to Allison Duettman from the Foresight Institute about how to harness emerging technologies like AI, nanotechnology, and blockchain to create a freer, more coordinated world. They explore concepts like "existential hope," "multipolar active shields," and "Pareto-topia," along with strategies for fostering decentralized cooperation. Allison shares her insights on navigating Moloch traps, designing resilient systems, and imagining hopeful futures. If you're curious about creating a positive, thriving future, this episode is a must-watch! Chapters: 0:00 - Intro 2:18 - Existential Hope 5:45 - Utopian vs Dystopian Art 11:00 - The Story Circle 16:03 - Naturalistic Arguments vs Transhumanism 25:29 - Foresight Institute 27:46 - World-building Hackathons 33:20 - Pareto-topia 35:24 - Making Win-Wins More Visible 41:02 - The Role of Cooperation in Society 45:38 - The Danger of Over-Centralization 50:58 - The Third Attractor 59:00 - Building the Third Attractor 1:11:00 - Crypto as a Solution to Tragedy of Commons 1:15:56 - Prediction markets 1:21:00 - AGI & the Cooperation Game 1:28:00 - Super Rationality 1:32:48 -Advice to Listeners 1:41:31 - Favorite Games 1:44:14 - Rapid fire Predictions Links: Gaming the future book: https://foresight.org/gaming-the-future-the-book/ Foresight institute: https://foresight.org Existential Hope: https://www.existentialhope.com World building hackathons: https://www.existentialhope.com/existential-hope-worldbuilding | — | ||||||
| 1/9/25 | #34 - Igor Kurganov - Liv's World Series Poker Win and Fixing Social Media | n case you missed it, Liv just won a record-breaking $2,800,000 in the World Series of Poker last month In this episode, she and Igor discuss her victory, why it represents a win-win for both her and animals... how to fix social media... Magnus Carlsen's jeans drama, a drunken game of backgammon and much more. Chapters: 0:00 - Intro and Backgammon 2:45 - Liv’s World Series of Poker Win 10:19 - Liv’s Charity Pledge & Cultivating Win-Wins 14:15 - The Physics of Women’s Feet 17:06 - Addressing Insecurities 19:30 - The H1B Visa Debate 20:16 - How to Fix Social Media Algorithms 39:26 - Elon Musk and X.com 44:55 - Magnus Carlsen Jeans Chess Drama 49:15 - The Multiverse Poker Tour Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson ♾️ Produced by Luca DeVico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #winwinpodcast #poker #backgammon | — | ||||||
| 12/22/24 |  #33 - Alexandra and Andrea Botez - Competition, Sisterhood and the Social Media Game | The Botez sisters are no strangers to competition. But how do they manage their competitive urges? How does it affect their relationship to one another, as sisters? These are just some of the many intimate topics we cover in today's Win-Win episode. Best known for their hilarious chess streaming videos, Andrea and Alexandra Botez are some of the world's most celebrated gamers - born into a household that demanded excellence, they both competed on the chess circuit to a high level before turning to streaming and launching themselves to gaming superstardom. Chess is obviously their main game, but they're starting to dominate so many other games too: Alex in poker, and Andrea in DJing! (links to those channels below). In this conversation with Liv Boeree we hear all the good, bad and ugly sides of life as women in the world of gaming. Chapters 01:19 - Who is More Competitive? 07:42 - Growing Up In Competitive Chess 15:00 - Why Games? 28:43 - Building a Youtube Audience 31:52 - Beauty Filters and Coordination Problems 35:13 - The Hotness Dilemma 52:31 - Sexism in Chess vs. Poker 1:00:09 - Magnus Carlsen 1:01:50 - Trash Talking 1:03:30 - FIDE and Centralized Rules 1:07:04 - Weirdest Moments Playing Chess 1:10:10 - The Future of Botez? 1:14:03 - Rapid-fire Predictions Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Ryan Kessler ♾️ Trailer Edit by Perry Sinclair The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #botez #winwinpodcast #chess #influencer | — | ||||||
| 12/4/24 | #32 - Scott Aaronson - The Race to AGI and Quantum Supremacy | How fast is the AI race really going? What is the current state of Quantum Computing? What actually *is* the P vs NP problem? - former OpenAI researcher and theoretical computer scientist Scott Aaronson joins Liv and Igor to discuss everything quantum, AI and consciousness. We hear about his experience working on OpenAI's "superalignment team", whether quantum computers might break Bitcoin, the state of University Admissions, and even a proposal for a new religion! Strap in for a fascinating conversation that bridges deep theory with pressing real-world concerns about our technological future. Chapters: 1:30 - Working at OpenAI 4:23 - His Approaches to AI Alignment 6:23 - Watermarking & Detection of AI content 19:15 - P vs. NP 27:11 - The Current State of AI Safety 37:38 - Bad "Just-a-ism" Arguments around LLMs 48:25 - What Sets Human Creativity Apart from AI 55:30 - A Religion for AGI? 1:00:49 - More Moral Philosophy 1:05:24 - The AI Arms Race 1:11:08 - The Government Intervention Dilemma 1:23:28 - The Current State of Quantum Computing 1:36:25 - Will QC destroy Cryptography? 1:48:55 - Politics on College Campuses 2:03:11 - Scott's Childhood & Relationship with Competition 2:23:25 - Rapid-fire Predictions Links: ♾️ Scott’s Blog: https://scottaaronson.blog/ ♾️ Scott’s Book: https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Computing-since-Democritus-Aaronson/dp/0521199565 ♾️ QIC at UTA: https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~qic/ Credits Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree and Igor Kurganov ♾️ Produced by Liv Boeree ♾️ Post-Production by Ryan Kessler The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #WinWinPodcast #QuantumComputing #AISafety #LLM | — | ||||||
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