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Learning and Development (L&D) is at a crossroads. As artificial intelligence (AI) accelerates changes in the workplace, L&D’s traditional stronghold—the creation and curation of content—is rapidly losing its strategic value. In this episode, I discuss the rapidly evolving intersection of AI and Learning & Development (L&D) with Don Taylor and Egla Vinauskaite. Our conversation explores how the AI “on ramp” has disappeared, leaving many L&D organizations feeling left behind, and highlights the importance of direction, not just decision, for real transformation. You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...[05:56] Early years of AI in L&D[08:16] Adapting to AI in Industry[18:44] Technological turmoil and AI evolution[20:29] Challenges in transforming organizations[25:40] Decision-making and organizational hierarchy[28:59] Importance of fieldwork and presence[37:42] Understanding Drag in L and D[46:49] Role of a Leader in Change[53:40] Activating independent organizational growthThe Vanishing ‘On-Ramp’ and the Challenge of Catching UpThe rapid evolution of AI in the workplace has created a new sense of urgency for L&D teams. In 2023, everyone was at the same starting line, experimenting with generative AI tools for the first time. Now, the landscape has shifted dramatically, with advanced conversations moving toward AI agents and full-scale workforce transformation. Those who didn’t jump on the AI bandwagon early are finding it increasingly difficult to catch up, with the “on-ramp” to entry effectively gone for newcomers. This sense of inaccessibility is causing some people to self-select out of L&D entirely, feeling left behind by the accelerating pace of change.The Disappearing Content MoatFor years, L&D has built its identity around its expertise in content creation—the so-called “moat” that protects its value. But the rise of AI has reduced the barriers to creating effective learning content. Anyone can now create quality resources with minimal expertise, eroding the unique advantage L&D once held. Content can no longer be the cornerstone of L&D’s strategy. Instead, L&D needs to determine its new value proposition in a world where content is ubiquitous.The Transformation TriangleThe Transformation Triangle proposes three potential futures for L&D organizations.Skills Authority: Organizations that pursue this path become the go-to stewards for everything related to skills in the business—tracking what skills exist, what’s needed, and how to develop them. They treat skills as a critical business asset and ensure the organization stays competitive by closing gaps efficiently.Enablement Partner: Acting as connectors rather than creators, these organizations focus on surfacing, amplifying, and distributing the expertise already embedded within the workforce. Their role is to ensure knowledge flows efficiently where it’s needed to elevate performance organization-wide.Adaptation Engine: The most transformative model, these teams see themselves as stewards of organizational adaptability. They diagnose and address performance issues as complex systems problems—sometimes solving them through learning, but often intervening through process or tool changes to maximize business impact.None of these are final destinations—organizations may move between them, combine elements, or adapt over time.Overcoming Structural, Cultural, and Capability DragAchieving escape velocity from the gravitational pull of content-focused L&D isn’t easy. In the conversation, we identify three types of “drag” that hold teams back:Structural drag: Where L&D sits in the org chart and its direct authority.Cultural drag: Long-standing perceptions of L&D’s role as content creators.Capability drag: Skills and mindsets required to operate in new, more impactful ways.Successfully overcoming these drags and embedding new models into systems and infrastructure. ensures changes stick even as leaders come and go. Resources & People MentionedLearning Technologies in the Workplace by Don TaylorClaude CodeClaude CoworkMicrosoft CopilotOne of Each | Newsletter by NodesGlobal Sentiment SurveyConnect with Don Taylor & Egle VinauskaiteEgle Vinauskaite on LinkedIn Don Taylor on LinkedIn Connect With RedThread ResearchWebsite: RedThread ResearchOn LinkedInSubscribe to WORKPLACE STORIES

Christine Crouch, Senior Director of Learning at General Mills, joins Workplace Stories to discuss a massive shift in how one of the world's legacy food companies approaches talent development. General Mills has recently transitioned to a centralized and integrated learning model.In this episode, Christine lays out one of the clearest cases for centralization we have heard. While efficiency is a benefit, she argues that the true drivers are decision-making power and better data. By unifying the function, General Mills gains a stronger view of learning activity and business needs, creating the strategic infrastructure necessary for the future of work.You’ll hear how Christine’s team manages to be centralized without losing the "local feel" through a robust Learning Business Partner model. She also details how centralization unlocks the ability to correlate learning metrics with talent outcomes like retention and performance. Finally, Christine shares her philosophy on AI, not as a replacement for human connection, but as a tool to elevate the human side of learning.You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...[06:07] Background on General Mills and its culture.[07:00] The shift from decentralized to centralized L&D.[11:11] How to make centralization feel local to business stakeholders.[18:30] The Learning Business Partner model explained.[21:07] Correlating learning metrics with talent outcomes.[27:58] Managing "rogue purchases" in a centralized model.[34:20] Why AI will elevate, not replace, the human side of learning.[47:35] Piloting AI coaching tools like "Nadia".The Strategic Case for CentralizationFor many organizations, the move to centralize L&D is purely a cost-cutting exercise. However, Christine frames the shift at General Mills as a play for better data and strategic decision-making. A centralized function provides a unified view of the organization's needs, allowing L&D to prioritize investments that drive enterprise-wide capabilities rather than just solving isolated functional problems. As AI accelerates, this strong data infrastructure is what will allow the organization to distinguish between what people actually need to know versus what can be offloaded to technology.The Learning Business Partner ModelCentralization often brings the fear of losing touch with the business. General Mills solves this through the "Learning Business Partner" role, individuals who sit on the leadership teams of specific functions or segments but report back to the central L&D organization. These partners act as a bridge; they understand the HR strategy and business plans of their specific function while ensuring continuity with the broader enterprise goals. They are expected to be performance consultants first, identifying the root problems to solve rather than just taking orders for training.AI: Elevating the Human ElementChristine’s approach to AI is grounded in optimism and human-centricity. She believes AI will not replace the human side of learning but elevate it. General Mills is actively piloting AI for tasks like personalization, automation, and coaching via a tool called "Nadia," which acts as an "always-on" coach. However, Christine emphasizes that deep skill building, like change leadership, still requires human connection, peer discussion, and the ability to "read the room," skills that AI cannot fully replicate. Connect with Christine CrouchChristine Crouch on LinkedIn Connect With Red Thread ResearchWebsite: Red Thread ResearchOn LinkedInOn FacebookOn TwitterSubscribe to WORKPLACE STORIES

In this episode, Stacia and Dani sit down once again with Cole Napper, author of “People Analytics: Using Data-Driven HR and Gen AI as a Business Asset.” A year after his first appearance, Cole returns with bold insights about the seismic changes facing HR and people analytics, and why now is the time to rethink how we define value in the workplace.Cole argues that the future of HR depends on shedding its transactional skin and embracing a new, data-driven paradigm. He discusses why traditional models like Dave Ulrich’s COE framework won’t survive the decade, how organizations can “discorrelate” from market forces by proving business value, and why fear, not technology, is the biggest obstacle to transformation. With sharp humor and evidence from his own research, Cole makes the case for a redefined HR: one that blends human strategy with AI-powered intelligence to drive growth, not just efficiency.You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...[00:00] Building a new HR paradigm in the Gen AI era.[06:00] Why people analytics hit its “identity crisis” after 2022.[12:00] How to prove HR’s business value beyond metrics.[19:00] The decline of the Ulrich HR model and what replaces it.[24:00] The future of AI-driven workforce transformation.[33:00] The tension between the HR and finance worldviews.[46:00] Why data infrastructure is suddenly “sexy” again.[52:00] Three possible futures for HR in the next decade.Building a New Paradigm for People AnalyticsCole’s new book calls for a reset in how organizations use data, not as an isolated reporting function but as a business accelerator. He reveals how people analytics can move from being “scorekeepers” to strategic partners by tackling the questions behind the questions: Why is it happening? What should we do about it? His message is clear, analytics must tie directly to revenue, cost, or risk reduction, or it’s just a hobby.The End of HR as We Know ItCole predicts that the Ulrich model, the long-standing HR framework of COEs, service centers, and HRBPs, won’t survive the coming decade. As generative AI automates much of HR’s transactional work, only the strategic and human elements will remain. He and the hosts debate what should stay human and what can be delegated to machines, exploring the fine line between technological efficiency and organizational soul.AI, Accountability, and the Future of WorkCole cautions that while AI’s potential is vast, it cannot replace human accountability. Drawing a parallel with the evolution of chess, he argues that AI will transform HR’s “game,” not erase it. The goal isn’t to align around AI as a tool, but to use it to unlock entirely new possibilities in how we work, learn, and grow.Infrastructure, Not IllusionFor all the hype, Cole reminds leaders that the foundation of AI success lies in data infrastructure, “the least sexy but most essential lever.” Without it, organizations risk failure in the next wave of transformation. Investing in data quality, architecture, and scalability today determines who thrives, or disappears, tomorrow.Resources & People MentionedPeople Analytics: Using Data-Driven HR and Gen AI as a Business Asset by Cole NapperConnect with Cole NapperCole on LinkedInConnect With Red Thread ResearchWebsite: Red Thread ResearchOn LinkedInOn FacebookOn Twitter

Just two years ago, AI was a shiny new object in L&D, with most professionals dabbling in small pilots and content creation experiments. The latest findings reveal an inflection point: the majority of L&D teams are now actively using AI, not merely testing it.This week, on the podcast are Donald H. Taylor and Eglė Vinauskaitė, the minds behind a groundbreaking new report, "AI & Learning 2025: Race for Impact." We’re exploring the rapid changes AI is bringing to Learning and Development (L&D), from early experimentation to widespread implementation, and what it means for the future of work.In this conversation, you’ll hear about the three distinct futures for L&D departments, how AI is moving beyond simple content creation into qualitative analytics and adaptive learning, and why team culture and leadership are crucial for success. We also dig into some big philosophical questions: How do we keep humans at the center of tech-driven workplaces? And how will AI reshape the very definition of value in L&D?This episode is packed with insights, data, and stories from organizations at the forefront of change. So, get ready to rethink how learning happens and how impactful workplace transformation can be.You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...[00:00] How AI is transforming Learning and Development.[05:40] Transition from experimentation to mainstream implementation of AI in L&D.[13:31] Debunking the maturity model.[16:03] AI integration culture in organizations.[25:07] AI's impact on L&D values.[38:54] Necessity for L&D to demonstrate clear impact and unique value beyond content.[47:36] Leadership Beyond the L&D silo.[52:25] Introduction of the “transformation triangle”: three potential strategic futures.The Rapid Evolution of AI in L&DAI usage still predominantly supports content creation and design, but there’s an intriguing rise in more sophisticated applications, especially data analysis, dynamic feedback, and even AI-driven coaching. For L&D leaders, the big question is no longer “should we use AI?” but “how can we use it to unlock deeper value for our organizations?”What Sets Successful L&D Teams Apart?A critical insight from the report is the role of mindset and organizational culture in successful AI adoption. Teams thriving with AI aren’t necessarily bigger or better-resourced; they are “open” teams, led by individuals who embrace risk, imperfect information, and proactive change. These leaders are comfortable experimenting without knowing all the answers, an essential trait for the current landscape.True transformation requires more than tech skills; it demands business acumen, a robust understanding of performance, and an ability to integrate learning with business strategy. L&D teams must move from being passive order-takers to strategic partners, actively shaping how people develop and perform.AI: Threat or Opportunity for Traditional L&D Roles?For some, the rise of AI in learning is unnerving. Tasks once considered core, like instructional design or content creation, can increasingly be automated, often cheaper and faster than before. Taylor cautions that unless L&D professionals shift their value proposition from content production to driving true impact, their roles risk being diminished or redefined.But there is an opportunity for L&D to expand its influence. Rather than being relegated to the background, teams can now focus on performance support, skills stewardship, and facilitating human growth, areas where strategic thinking and deep expertise are critical and cannot be automated away.Three Futures for L&D: Skills Authority, Enablement Partner, Adaptation EnginePerhaps the most provocative segment of the episode introduced three possible “futures” for L&D roles in the AI era:Skills Authority: L&D becomes the custodian of skills, owning skill taxonomies, plumbing, and strategic workforce development. This future demands advanced expertise in identifying, building, and tracking capabilities crucial to business success.Enablement Partner: Here, L&D empowers employees across the organization to create their own learning solutions. The team shifts from direct content delivery to building infrastructure, processes, and trust, letting expertise flourish where it’s needed most.Adaptation Engine: The most radical scenario, where L&D is absorbed into cross-functional teams focused on rapid business adaptation. Learning professionals blend with design, tech, and operations to solve holistic problems, making learning indistinguishable from broader performance improvement.While AI will eventually become as invisible as electricity, the human element in learning, facilitation, creativity, and stewardship remains paramount. The priority for leaders now is to harness AI thoughtfully, ensuring it serves genuine learning and performance goals rather than just delivering faster horses. Resources & People MentionedAI in L&D: The Race For ImpactAI in L&D (4 Reports) Connect with Donald H. Taylor and Eglė VinauskaitėEgle Vinauskaite on LinkedIn Donald H Taylor on LinkedIn Connect With Red Thread ResearchWebsite: Red Thread ResearchOn LinkedInOn FacebookOn TwitterSubscribe to WORKPLACE STORIES

On the show this week, Nadia Uberoi, Head of People at Garner Health, joins us to explore how HR can move beyond compliance to become a solution-centric and outcome-driven function, aligning closely with the business’s mission and deliverables.Nadia shares practical details on how Garner Health has developed agile people systems and cultivated a high-candor culture rooted in real-time feedback and organizational transparency. We discuss how conscious alignment between HR and business strategy depends on both robust systems and hiring people with the right agile mindset.You’ll hear more about Nadia’s unique approach to performance management, Garner’s decision to publicly share 360 feedback, and how a culture of candor empowers everyone, not just HR, to take ownership of change. Nadia also offers an inside look at the mechanics of building and scaling an intentional organizational culture, and the lessons she’s learned from fast-growing companies.You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...[05:16] Aligning HR with business strategy and high candor cultures.[07:28] Seeking CEO buy-in for strategic alignment.[10:37] Balance short-term solutions and long-term infrastructure planning.[13:48] Focus on continuous improvement and clarity of responsibilities.[21:23] Quarterly planning with smaller, manageable initiatives enables better adaptability and faster impact.[29:04] Real-time feedback improved HR-business alignment by enabling quick adjustments.[33:31] Real-time feedback and collaboration enable immediate improvements.[48:22] Intentionally build and systematize culture for business impact.Resources & People MentionedPrinciples by Ray DalioLatticeGarner Health Connect with Nadia Uberoi Nadia Uberoi on LinkedIn Connect With Red Thread ResearchWebsite: Red Thread ResearchOn LinkedInOn FacebookOn TwitterSubscribe to WORKPLACE STORIES

Dr. Serena Gonsalves-Fersch, Global Head of Talent and Academy, shares her refreshingly candid perspective on the evolving role of Learning and Development (L&D) in today’s organizations.You’ll hear her challenge traditional approaches to employee learning, advocate for seamless integration between learning, talent, DEIB, and performance, and call out industry complacency.Serena also shares how her small but mighty team serves 14,000 employees across the globe by staying closely attuned to actual business needs and leveraging the power of data and AI—not just for content creation, but for true predictive insights.Listen in for a fascinating discussion that covers everything from the purpose of L&D, how technology is reshaping talent strategies, to the importance of connecting learning directly to organizational impact. You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...[00:00] Integrated learning & talent strategy.[09:10] Rethinking organizational learning approaches.[21:47] Defining HR's role in automation.[29:04] Streamlining your learning and development team.[31:23] Creating GCP learning journeys.[34:49] Diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) in workplace policy.[40:34] AI's Role in boosting efficiency and elevating humanity.[47:08] Organizations as continuous learners.Resources & People MentionedCurious Advantage by Paul Ashcroft, Simon Brown and Garrick JonesThe 70:20:10 InstituteLori Niles-Hofmann on LinkedInJay Wetterau on LinkedIn Nigel Paine Learning Technologies Awards Connect with Dr. Serena Gonsalves-FerschDr. Serena Gonsalves-Fersch, FLPI on LinkedIn Connect With Red Thread ResearchWebsite: Red Thread ResearchOn LinkedInOn FacebookOn TwitterSubscribe to WORKPLACE STORIES

Many organizations see learning and development (L&D) as a cost center rather than a strategic driver of value, but what if that mindset is costing them far more than they realize?In this episode, Dr. Keith Keating explains why we’re moving from a “knowledge economy” to a “value economy,” where it’s not what we know but what we do with it that matters.He shares practical ways for L&D teams to make their impact visible, bridging the disconnect with CFOs and earning a seat at the strategy table. Through his own journey from high-school dropout to Chief Learning Officer, Keith challenges learning leaders to see themselves as problem-solvers and value creators. He offers frameworks like the Value Creation Compass to help map L&D’s role in business growth, resilience, and customer value, showing that when L&D stays hidden, organizations lose far more than training budgets: they lose adaptability and talent. You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...(00:00) Intro.(00:22) Keith’s background and why his book matters.(04:58) The shift to a value economy for L&D.(08:50) Keith’s personal journey from dropout to leader.(15:10) Economic, personal, and societal value explained.(19:30) Four key disconnects between L&D and CFOs.(25:40) The Value Creation Compass model.(39:20) Risks if L&D’s value stays hidden.Resources & People Mentionedhttps://www.bdo.ca/en-ca/Hidden Value by Dr. Keith KeatingConnect with Dr. Keith KeatingConnect with Dr. Keith Keating on LinkedInConnect With Red Thread ResearchWebsite: Red Thread ResearchOn LinkedInOn FacebookOn TwitterSubscribe to WORKPLACE STORIES

In this episode of Workplace Stories, Dani Johnson talks with Cher Murphy, Partner, Head of People+Talent Practice at ON Partner, founder of The Murphy Advisory, and faculty member at Pepperdine and the University of Michigan. Drawing from her deep experience in executive coaching and leadership development, Cher shares how leadership is evolving in response to rapid technological, political, and organizational change. She emphasizes that while AI and data can enhance decision-making, human traits like discernment, empathy, and the ability to communicate clearly remain irreplaceable. Leaders today must move from a mindset of control to one of clarity, especially as strategic planning windows shorten and collaboration across functions becomes essential.Cher also reflects on the erosion of trust in organizations and how leaders can rebuild it through transparency, consistency, and shared logic. She introduces the concept of leadership as a system—not just a set of traits—which, when embedded across all levels of an organization, can outlast any one individual. The conversation touches on the future of leadership development, the convergence of people functions, and how leaders can balance data and intuition to make better decisions. Ultimately, Cher makes a compelling case that strong leadership is still—at its core—a deeply human endeavor.You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in...(00:00) — Intro & Cher’s background(04:00) — Leadership mindsets, speed, and trust(12:00) — Rebuilding trust & communication challenges(20:00) — Structural shifts and cross-functional collaboration(26:00) — AI’s role, human skills, and decision-making(32:00) — Universal leadership traits & leadership as a system(39:00) — Succession, culture fit, and final reflections on meaningResources & People Mentionedhttps://www.onpartners.comhttps://www.jeffwetzler.comConnect with Cher MurphyConnect with Cher Murphy on LinkedInConnect With Red Thread ResearchWebsite: Red Thread ResearchOn LinkedInOn FacebookOn TwitterSubscribe to WORKPLACE STORIES