
A Podcast with Charlie Swenson - To Hell and Back
by Charlie Swenson, MD
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Synchronized Swimming – Episode 126
Apr 9, 2026
28m 04s
Dialectics, Democracy, Tyranny, Trump, and the American Way – Episode 125
Jan 26, 2026
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Does DBT Work as a Model for Understanding and Addressing a Fascist Takeover? – Episode 124
Sep 23, 2025
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Bystanders Get Off the Sidelines Please – Episode 123
Aug 15, 2025
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Nuggets of Gold in Piles of Sand – Episode 122
Aug 12, 2025
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
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| 4/9/26 | ![]() Synchronized Swimming – Episode 126✨ | biological researchhuman heart+4 | — | Synchronized Swimming | — | biological researchhuman heart+4 | — | 28m 04s | |
| 1/26/26 | ![]() Dialectics, Democracy, Tyranny, Trump, and the American Way – Episode 125 | In the wake of the recent killing by federal agents of two adults in Minneapolis, this podcast represents an attempt to deepen my perspective on these events, on Donald Trump, and on the forces in our country that have supported him. I close with some thoughts about how to counter him in the coming days. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 9/23/25 | ![]() Does DBT Work as a Model for Understanding and Addressing a Fascist Takeover? – Episode 124 | DBT’s emphasis on behavioral specificity, validation, and dialectical thinking, while effective for therapy, must be sufficiently grounded in deep moral convictions and motivational forces if it is to be used to address a fascist takeover of our society. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 8/15/25 | ![]() Bystanders Get Off the Sidelines Please – Episode 123 | In this podcast Charlie reviews the six categories of people in the United States insofar as they are actors in the drama between democracy and authoritarianism, highlighting where it might be possible to change the momentum. He then discusses the role of “bystanders” and the psychology of bystanders, with a plea to convert bystanders to more active participants View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 8/12/25 | ![]() Nuggets of Gold in Piles of Sand – Episode 122 | In this podcast, Charlie reflects on a recent consultation as a window into the way in which memory is tethered to certain moments, as an example of Linehan’s metaphor for validation as finding a nugget of gold in a pile of sand, and as a segue into the integration of DBT and depth psychology in therapy. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 7/3/25 | ![]() Amputation of Morality: What to Do About It? – Episode 121 | The perspective within this podcast is that our current political process is seriously dysfunctional, having been taken over by decision-makers who seem disconnected from normal human morality. After noticing the resemblance of that process to what goes on in mob organizations and families, and in some families where incest occurs, we will identify the various roles in this ugly process and consider what can be done to improve things. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 6/16/25 | ![]() Getting Out of Hell and Into Reality – Episode 120 | This podcast focuses on the fact that we spend most of our lives living in the stories we tell ourselves about reality, but not in reality itself. Hear how DBT helps us to find our way back to reality, and how doing so increases the quality of our lives and the lives of those around us View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 5/29/25 | ![]() What the fuck? Dialectics and Improvisation in Therapy and Everyday Life – Episode 119 | In this podcast, I explore what is meant by dialectics in general, dialectics in the practice of DBT, and especially what it takes to “do dialectics-in-action.” It’s way more common and profound than simply applying dialectical strategies to certain situations. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 5/19/25 | ![]() Wise Mind, Polarization, Dialectics, and Stopping Fascism – Episode 118 | In this podcast, the third in a series, I clarify the place of dialectics in DBT as an antidote to polarization. Using some case examples, I detail how one might use dialectics. Then I bring the same lessons into finding a way to deal with political polarization and what appears to be a fascist takeover. By the end of my search, I find a way. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 5/1/25 | ![]() Learning to Say No Effectively to Fascism – Episode 117 | To say NO to the forces and practices of fascism in the U.S., effectively enough to stop it, can be frightening. We will borrow from the DBT skills training model, explaining ways to acquire, strengthen, and generalize the skill of saying NO in hopes that each of us can find our voice and make a difference. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
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| 4/20/25 | ![]() When Hell is an Attack on Democracy – Episode 116 | In this podcast, Charlie draws from DBT in search of ways to understand the current assault on democracy in the United States, and to become more effective at taking care of oneself and acting more effectively. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 4/26/23 | ![]() Adapting DBT Skills When Working with Autistic Individuals – Episode 115 | In this episode, the fourth in a series on autism and DBT, Charlie is again joined by Amara Brooke and Rachel Kraus, two DBT therapists who are autistic and who have subspecialties in working with autistic clients. Our focus here is entirely on the application and adaptation of DBT skills in the work with autistic individuals. Which skills work well as they are? Which skills require adaptation in order to work well with this population? Which skills can actually make things worse if you aren’t mindful of autistic features? Please rate, review, and write to me with comments and questions. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 4/6/23 | ![]() Challenging, Changing Course, Reframing. Irreverence in Therapy and Life – Episode 114 | In this episode, Charlie explains, and gives lots of examples of, being irreverent in therapy. What is the essence? What is the point? Why is it important to do? Why is it hard to do? What are the forms irreverence can take? What are some tips for becoming irreverent? View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 3/30/23 | ![]() Top Ten Tips for Adapting DBT to Autistic Clients – Episode 113 | Charlie moderates a discussion between Amara Brook and Rachel Kraus, both of whom are DBT-informed therapists with subspecialties treating autistic and ADHD individuals, as they come of with ten things to consider when adapting DBT to autism. In the next episode after this one, the same guests will specifically address how to modify DBT skills in working with autistic clients. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 3/24/23 | ![]() Do we use DBT to target autism? No – Episode 112 | Charlie talks further with Amara Brook about autism, neurodiversity, and DBT: how can DBT be adapted, not to target autism itself, but to help autistic folks succeed at their own life-worth-living goals; how can we apply DBT’s bio-social theory in understanding and treating autistic individuals; and what are the barriers for autistic individuals in becoming DBT therapists? View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 3/16/23 | ![]() Autism, Neurodiversity and DBT – Episode 111 | It seems that the world is paying more and more attention to autism in particular and neurodiversity in general. Beginning with this episode, Charlie talks with Amara Brooke, Ph.D., about autism, neurodiversity, and ways of adapting DBT to help an autistic individual reach their life-worth living goals. Tune in for this three-episode special conversation, which will eventually lead to ten tips for adapting DBT therapy with autistic people, and then on to what is meant by the Universal Design for Learning. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 3/9/23 | ![]() Wise Mind – Episode 110 | Charlie provides an in-depth discussion of WISE MIND as used in DBT. What is it, why is it so valuable, what are perspectives on it, what are its features, how do you access it and use it? He then discusses a painful example from his own life when he needed wise mind but failed to access it. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 2/23/23 | ![]() “As Bad A Year As It Was, It Was As Good As It Could Have Been” – Episode 109 | In a manner that is absolutely true to these words from her DBT and life mentor, Seth Axelrod, Andrea Gold has completed her one year of prescribed treatment for breast cancer, with the best results one can hope for. Tune in to this episode to hear Andrea celebrate the completion of the year and reflect upon how she managed the suffering (a lot) and created fun and connection through it all (a lot). She brings an infectious and intelligent enthusiasm, an emotional and affiliative personality, and a bad-ass exposure and DBT lifestyle, to rather grim cancer-related events: diagnosis, staging, mastectomy, radiation, chemotherapy, and survivorship. Listen, connect, reflect…learn from her. View video version of this podcast View Gallery | — | ||||||
| 11/24/22 | ![]() Guaranteed Success, By Design – Episode 108 | > In part 2 of the conversation with world class trainer Cem Eren, join Charlie and Nicole and enter the Lion’s Den, a practice environment thoughtfully constructed to support our training journey from the moment we step through the door until the moment we step out of it. As we tour the space, we hear how unconditional acceptance underlies Cem’s strategy for facilitating positive change, and how his intuitive application of dialectics translates to clients that consistently hit huge goals and make extraordinary transformations. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 11/17/22 | ![]() Skillful Mind Training, Embodied – Episode 107 | “In this episode, Nicole and Charlie tap into the wisdom that Cem Eren has gained from two decades of training elite NBA athletes, boxers, bodybuilders, beauty contestants, and ordinary humans of all ages. In examples that extend to therapy and coaching, Cem shares how he meets his clients every single day with freshness, compassion, dignity, and nonjudgmental presence, helping them connect with their strengths while building toward their goals. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 11/10/22 | ![]() Identity Grammar – Episode 106 | What shapes the syntax of Self? How does context inform our inner lexicons? Are we more than the sum of all our actions? In this episode Charlie and Nic explore the ways we find meaning through expressing identity, how we hold space for inner contradictions, and why self definition is a paradox, ripe for dialectical intervention. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 11/3/22 | ![]() Skillful Grieving, Making Meaning from Suffering, and a Dinosaur – Episode 105 | In this second of our two-episode conversation with Natalia Garcia about her grieving process over the years since the death of her two-year-old son, we focus in on her altered relationship to time, rituals, and anniversaries; her remarkable use of DBT skills and dialectics to navigate the grieving process; the ways that she has made meaning out of her suffering; and a dinosaur, a gift from a fellow griever. View video version of this podcast Gallery | — | ||||||
| 10/27/22 | ![]() Who IS that Woman?! – Episode 104 | Since Nicole joined Charlie as co-host, several long-time listeners have asked Charlie, Who IS that woman?! It’s actually a great question and the answer is far from simple. In this podcast, Charlie and Nicole explore their own self-narratives and expand into a larger conversation about how we all see ourselves, how we define ourselves, how we represent ourselves, how we are seen by others, and how that affects us. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
| 10/21/22 | ![]() In Her Own Words – Natalia Garcia on Coping with Loss and Trauma with Opposite Action and an Approach Lifestyle – Episode 103 | In 2018, Natalia Garcia spoke with me over three podcast episodes about how she was dealing with the catastrophic and traumatic death of her two year old son eight months earlier. He died in the middle of the night for unexplained reasons. In three podcasts she spoke at length of her life, of the death itself, and then the road to recovery. In this week’s podcast, we reprise selected excerpts from those podcasts, capturing her words and her wisdom that grew out of this terrible loss. She inspires. | — | ||||||
| 10/13/22 | ![]() Long Grieving, Complicated Joy, and Flowers That Grow Around a Hole in the Heart – Episode 102 | In June of 2018, eight months following the death of her two-year-old son to the Sudden Unexplained Death in Childhood (SUDC), Natalia Garcia joined this podcast for three episodes to describe the catastrophic loss and the ensuing grief process marked by her courage and skill in facing her vulnerabilities. Now, five years since the loss, she returns to the podcast to talk about the longer arc of the process of grieving her son and things that have happened since then. As before, this is a moving and inspiring story of courage that deals with a panoply of issues faced in any longer-term grief process. View video version of this podcast | — | ||||||
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