When Your Client Needs Novelty & Routines All At Once: Supporting AuDHDers with Dr. Bowen Marshall, LPCC, PhD
From Born to Be Free: Supporting Neurodivergent Clients to Learn, Play, & Thrive by Meg Ferrell
June 10, 2026 · 43 min · Episode 2
About this episode
This episode explores the complexities of supporting individuals with both Autism and ADHD, known as AuDHD-ers, focusing on their needs for routines and novelty.
This episode is a deep and nuanced exploration into the seemingly competing needs of being Autistic and being ADHD. We call these folks AuDHD-ers, and they're often faced with both the need for routines that comes with being Autistic and the craving for novelty that comes with ADHD. In this episode, AuDHD psychotherapist, Dr. Bowen Marshall, helps us explore all of the complexities around AuDHD, including how ADHD and autism can be complementary and how that may change when one condition is medicated. We talk about what's tricky and what helps, and we look in every corner of this to explore the complexities of this topic, like dopamine, executive function, routines, estrogen, testosterone, gender identity, race, and more. Dr. Bowen Marshall, PhD is a licensed psychotherapist, bestselling author, and consultant specializing in ADHD, Autism, relationships, and Complex-PTSD.
People in this episode
Host: Meg Ferrell
Guest: Dr. Bowen Marshall
Topics covered
- AuDHD
- Autism
- ADHD
- psychotherapy
- routines
- novelty
- complexity
Keywords
- AuDHD
- Autism
- ADHD
- psychotherapy
- routines
- novelty
- dopamine
- executive function
- gender identity
- race
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