Craft and Chaos

Ryan kicks the season finale off in a British accent, which we will not explain, and from there the episode is about humor — specifically, the humbling realization that the comedy you love and the comedy you write are often two completely unrelated genres operating in two completely unrelated brains. Pete worships the broad, sandwich-falling-from-the-sky lunacy of The Young Ones. Kyle reveres physical comedians who can walk into a room funny. Ryan grew up on Monty Python. None of them, it turns out, write anything resembling any of that.Up top, Kyle tells a story about a script of his turning up somewhere it should not have been, by mechanisms still unclear, with an ending we won't spoil. Pete confesses he's drowning in two writing projects at once, learns from Ryan about word clouds, and longs for the halcyon days of just moments before he learned about them. Then a Conan O'Brien tangent, a Harrison Ford appreciation, and a Mae Martin break-up story.We close out the season with Romance Novel or Death Metal Band, Part Two — Pete is on a heater, several of these are not what you'd guess, and one of them is Howlers in Heat — and a parting line from Douglas Adams about the knack of flying. We'll see you next season. Go make weird art.Mentioned in This EpisodeFilmsThe Hangover — LetterboxdForgetting Sarah Marshall — LetterboxdTig (2015 documentary) — LetterboxdShowsThe Young Ones — WikipediaFreaks and Geeks — WikipediaConan O'Brien Needs a Friend — WikipediaThe Sarah Millican Television Programme — WikipediaGood One: A Podcast About Jokes — VultureComedy GroupsMonty Python — WikipediaThe Lonely Island — WikipediaPeopleConan O'Brien — WikipediaSona Movsesian — WikipediaMatt Gourley — WikipediaSarah Millican — WikipediaHarrison Ford — WikipediaJason Segel — WikipediaMae Martin — WikipediaTig Notaro — WikipediaBuster Keaton — WikipediaHarold Lloyd — WikipediaJohn Ritter — WikipediaJim Carrey — WikipediaDick Van Dyke — WikipediaMr. Bean (Rowan Atkinson character) — WikipediaJen Silverman — WikipediaIthamar Enriquez — IMDbDouglas Adams — WikipediaBooksLife, the Universe and Everything by Douglas Adams — WikipediaStage ShowIthamar Has Nothing to Say — The Elysian (00:00) - Welcome to Craft and Chaos (02:07) - A Kyle Hijacking (07:53) - Pete's Weekly Creative Chaos (21:53) - "Sponsor:" Bears (22:40) - On Humor (50:21) - "Sponsor:" Bears (50:38) - Romance Novel or Death Metal Band?

There is something almost embarrassing about the relief that comes from owning a thing entirely. Pete self-published his first novella, Lattice, and what he keeps coming back to is not the early reader responses or the question of whether people will like it. It is the dashboard. The group digs into what gatekeepers actually do (less line editing than you think, more echo chamber than you would hope), what self-publishing opens up and what it absolutely cannot guarantee, and why Ryan Dalton's first question to any aspiring author is not about craft but about goal.Mandy is in Greece, surrounded by ruins built for gods that still feel alive, and she wants to know what makes a hero, how thrasheth the gods, and whither our monsters. Everyone has opinions and nobody picks the same examples, and yet somehow the whole conversation keeps circling back to the same question: what are you actually worshipping? We are haunted by the forces that guide us this week. We thrive in the chaos.Mandy does not like horror movies and would like to understand why everyone else does. The group obliges with a theory about indifference that is genuinely unsettling, a taxonomy of monsters that ends somewhere near Eldritch horror and the insect kingdom, and a merch opportunity. Meaning is for hats. (00:00) - Welcome to Craft and Chaos (02:02) - The Creative Brief (15:42) - What Makes Your Heroes (34:14) - "Sponsor" Gibberish (35:12) - Our Gods (50:41) - "Sponsor:" Hit Send (51:35) - Monsters

Creative people are very good at turning joy into homework. We find something we love, immediately ask how it could become a career, worry that we're not doing it correctly, read seven books about it, and six months later we're staring at the thing we used to love and feeling nothing. It is a remarkable talent and we should probably stop.This week — inspired by The Tick, of all things — the Craft and Chaos crew attempts to remember what it felt like before all that. The assignment: something you made or did or consumed recently whose only job is to make you unreasonably happy. No portfolio value. No lofty artistic ambition. Just the pure, embarrassing, uncomplicated thing.The results are, genuinely, a lot. Pete spent months learning to use a lathe in his neighbor's garage and emerged with a camphor burl bowl so thick-walled it could survive a home invasion, and he is vibrating at a frequency that can only be described as "third-grader at a craft fair." Ryan wrote his first murder — in a genre he's never written, with a live stream, an off-camera death, and a moral ambiguity that refuses to let you off the hook — and somehow made it work without a drop of blood. Kyle has finally launched a plays page on his website (WadeIntoTheWeird.com, which is a name that earns its keep), attended four overlapping high school theater productions, and was reduced to helpless laughter by a single line delivered with absolutely no inflection whatsoever. And Mandy directed a commercial, hired her own dog, and dissolved a piece of paper in eclipse water at a crossroads to banish obstacles from her life. We are not here to judge. It worked, probably.The episode closes with a dramatic reading of Terry Bisson's 1991 short story "They're Made Out of Meat" — two aliens assessing humanity and arriving at the only logical conclusion, which is to erase us from the records and pretend no one's home — and if you don't come away from it slightly horrified by the fact that you are a pile of thinking, dreaming, singing meat, you weren't paying attention. Pure joy, folks. This is what it looks like. (00:00) - Welcome to Craft and Chaos (02:24) - Things that are Creatively Satisfying (19:25) - "Sponsor" Brevity (20:26) - Something you Do for Joy (51:17) - "Sponsor" Brevity

Here's something nobody warns you about being a creative person: at some point, you will have to decide how much of your actual life you're willing to shove into your work and then show to the people you stole it from.Mandy's writing a book for her teenage daughters and discovering that words, frustratingly, do not arrive pre-edited. Ryan's twelve thousand words into a thriller and has realized he is constitutionally incapable of writing a scene without at least one silly billy. And Kyle just got tracked down through Instagram by someone who wants to produce one of his plays — which is both a beautiful story about good work finding its audience and a cautionary tale about maybe putting your contact information on things. We're all works in progress. Some of us more literally than others.This week we're talking about truth — where it shows up in creative work, how much of it you actually need, and whether "based on a true story" is a promise or a threat. Pete's deep in a film series about fraud and discovers that the best true stories are the ones about liars. Kyle argues — compellingly — that he doesn't want historical accuracy at all, he wants you to lie to him beautifully, and cites Better Man (the Robbie Williams movie where Robbie Williams is a CGI chimpanzee) as possibly the most emotionally honest biopic ever made. Mandy confesses she once showed her mom a deeply autobiographical short film and offered to never screen it publicly, which was, and she will admit this, an absolute lie.The takeaway is something like: the facts don't have to be true as long as the feeling is in creative works. Which is either profound or the motto of every con artist in history.We also dig into fake it till you make it — that specific flavor of creative terror where you say "yes" to something you cannot yet do and then sprint toward competence before anyone notices. Ryan's been calling himself a writer since he was a kid, years before he was actually doing it professionally, which turned out to be less of a lie and more of a very patient prophecy. Pete walked into rooms full of people asking "what is a podcast" and answered "I'll tell you tomorrow," which is apparently a viable business model. And Kyle talks about the moment Mandy told him he was actually good at interviewing — after he'd spent an entire podcast series convinced he was faking it. Turns out most of us are faking it. The ones who make it are just the ones who kept showing up anyway.Plus: the crew breaks down what makes them laugh — from the Zucker Brothers hiding A-list jokes in the background of hospital scenes, to Rose Matafeo's Horndog, to a comedian named Kurt Braunohler doing five minutes on 120,000 bees that plays like Shakespeare wrote a set at The Comedy Store. And our beloved fake sponsors return: The Other Orange wants your gambling money (they might train owls), and The Last Apple would like to buy everything you own and rent it back to you at a reasonable, eternal monthly rate. We remain the only podcast either of them sponsors. Probably for good reason.Films & Shows Discussed:Better Man (2024) — Robbie Williams biopic with CGI chimp, dir. Michael GraceyCan You Ever Forgive Me? (2018) — Lee Israel forgery storyThe Hoax (2006) — Richard Gere as fake Howard Hughes biographerShattered Glass (2003) — Stephen Glass / New Republic fabrication scandalQuiz Show (1994) — Charles Van Doren quiz show scandal, dir. Robert RedfordBig Eyes (2014) — Margaret Keane painting credit story, dir. Tim BurtonRocketman (2019) — Elton John biopicBohemian Rhapsody (2018) — Queen / Freddie Mercury biopicBaby Reindeer (2024) — Netflix limited series (NOT Baby Driver)Baby Driver (2017) — Edgar Wright film (NOT Baby Reindeer)The Orville (2017–2022) — Seth MacFarlane sci-fi comedy seriesShrinking — Apple TV+ comedy series (current season at time of recording)Will & Grace (1998–2006, 2017–2020) — NBC sitcomSaturday Night (2024) — SNL origin story filmThe Theranos Movie:The Dropout (2022) — Elizabeth Holmes tries to be Steve Jobs and goes to jail.Press Your Luck Documentary:The Luckiest Man in America (2024) — about Michael Larson breaking Press Your Luck (verify exact title)Comedy Specials & Clips Referenced:Rose Matafeo: Horndog (2020) — stand-up specialKurt Braunohler — "120,000 Bees" bitAlex Edelman: Just for Us (2023) — HBO stand-up specialDemi Adejuyigbe Is Going to Do One Backflip — Dropout specialJohn Mulaney Presents: Everybody's in L.A. (2024) — Netflix live talk showBob Reese — "AI Videos Are Getting Too Good" YouTube parkour seriesThe Naked Gun (1988) — Zucker Brothers; "Mrs. Nordberg" hospital jokeBo Burnham — Oh you know... just a pioneer of multimedia/tech-forward comedy specialsComedians & Writers Mentioned:Patton OswaltSean HayesMegan MullallyMax Mutchnick — Will & Grace creator/showrunnerMike Birbiglia — Referenced as storytelling comedy style influenceMonty PythonJack Benny — Referenced as old-school one-shot comedy styleBooks & Writing Projects Mentioned:You're Okay, Go Play — Mandy Fabian's book in progress (nonfiction, for her daughters)This Last Adventure — Ryan Dalton's previous novel featuring family stories and Alzheimer's themesUnapologetically ADHD — Pete Wrigh...

Look. We're back. New year. New host. And we opened the show with Ryan reading the dictionary definition of the word "we," which is either a bit or a cry for help — the line is thin and we're not here to judge. The point is: Mandy Fabian is here now, Misty is off surviving life at full speed, and we're all still pretending we know what we're doing creatively. (We don't. That's the show.)Here's the thing about creative work that nobody tells you until you've already panicked about it seventeen times: you don't actually have to know what happens next. The writers of Star Trek: The Next Generation — a show that ran for seven seasons and won actual awards — would literally write "tech the tech" in the script when they didn't have the specific quantum warp polaron nonsense figured out yet. Grey's Anatomy? "Medical, medical, medical." These are real strategies used by professionals who got paid. The details came later. The momentum mattered now. This is permission. Take it.We also answer a listener question that hits painfully close to home: what happens when you suddenly have all the time in the world to be creative and your brain immediately responds by doing absolutely nothing? Turns out "I can do anything" metabolizes into "I can't do anything" faster than you'd think.We talk egg timers, scheduled creativity, and why imposing fake limitations on yourself might be the only way to survive unlimited freedom. And then, because we are who we are, we spend the last chunk of the episode pitching wildly different plays based on the same prompt — a veterinarian's office, three actors, and the opening line "Do you want the honest version or the one that'll let you sleep tonight?" Somehow we ended up with alien kittens, a ketamine heist, and a sentient skin rash that makes people act out telenovelas. This is the show. We're so glad you're here.Smart People Who Said Smart Things:Ronald D. Moore — The "tech the tech" guyShonda Rhimes — The "medical, medical, medical" queenMadeleine L'Engle — "Inspiration more often comes during the work than before it." Correct.Don Roos — Screenwriter behind the one-hour egg timer method: commit to one focused hour, let it grow if it wants toSteven Pressfield — Author of The War of Art, originator of "the resistance" as a concept for that voice in your head that tells you you're garbagePlaces That Let Creatives Do Weird Things on Deadlines:Muse Fest at Space 55 (Phoenix) — Nine muses, nine responses, one week, no stakes, maximum creativityPhoenix Theater's 24-Hour Theater Project — Kyle wrote a 15-page script overnight and it was about a sentient skin rash. We'll explain.Series Fest / Tribeca / Frameline — Festivals Mandy is submitting her pilot toProjects You Should Know About:StorySprawl — Pete's invite-only collaborative writing project where you never write what comes next, someone else does, and it's apparently liberating as hellYou Are Here — Mandy's indie TV pilot, shot micro-budget over three days. Coming soon?The Black Cape Saga — Ryan's upcoming words! Mark your Goodreads!Go Help Yourself — Misty's podcast. Still running. Go listen if you miss her. We do.Tools for People Who Need Structure:Obsidian — Kyle is migrating his notes here from Zoho Notebook and found a file from eight years ago that just said "This is where the good ideas go." Still waiting.The One-Hour Egg Timer Method — One hour. No phone. No errands. If it turns into three hours, great. If not, you did the hour. That's the whole thing. Sean Carlin has a good write-up here.Public Domain Watch (From the Fake Sponsor):Nancy Drew, Miss Marple, Sam Spade — All entered public domain January 2026. Do something interesting with them. Please. No more horror movies. (00:00) - Welcome to Craft and Chaos (02:45) - Creative Hijinks (23:00) - Sponsor: Jess Plus None • A Film by Mandy Fabian (27:03) - You Don't Have to Have All The Answers Right Now (44:12) - Listener Question (57:23) - "Sponsor:" Nancy Drew & The Public Domain (58:58) - When You Have No Time At All

It all begins — as so many creative disasters do — in a tavern. Not a real tavern, because this is 2025 and nobody can afford to drink anywhere that isn't their own kitchen. No, this is a fictional tavern, conjured by Kyle Olson in an attempt to make Dungeons & Dragons seem exactly as sophisticated as it actually is. And there they are: Pete Wright, sage of sighs; Misty Stinnett, who claims the episode title in minute five like a boss; and Ryan Dalton, wizard of words and human embodiment of, “I’m fine, actually." They're here to discuss beginnings — that thing you agonize over for weeks before giving up and starting with someone waking up in a daze. Misty brings the skull-cracking horror of Verity and the pajama-clad Celine Dion catharsis of Bridget Jones's Diary, proving you can pivot from blood spatter to "All By Myself" without a map. Ryan obsesses over The Dark Knight's opening heist with fantasy-football-lineup energy, then reads from The Gone-Away World about the irony of fire. Pete shows up with Blade Runner because of course he does, and Kyle brings Clive Barker's story about sentient, revolutionary hands, because every D&D party needs someone who makes everyone else wonder ...what?But this isn't just about great openings — it's about what happens when you hand your tender, unfinished creation to another human and they look you in the eye and say, "What if this took place in space?" Misty got that exact note on a script about Black backup singers in the 1960s civil rights movement. Space. Kyle once took script notes from a twelve-year-old. Pete has a "little red wagon of despair" full of projects he won't share because he's terrified of feedback. And Ryan — beautiful, unshakable Ryan — basically shrugs and says criticism can't hurt you... not like knives can. The takeaway? Feedback is brutal and necessary. Choose your readers carefully. Don't ask for notes from people who don't understand your medium. And for god's sake, don't take it personally when someone suggests your heartfelt drama should "maybe happen in space." They’re really saying that they want to be in space. It’s a them-problem.And then, because all good stories must end, they talk about endings. Misty's still haunted by Inception's spinning top (every other day). Pete defends Whiplash's nine-minute drum solo with pizza-topping-argument passion. Ryan ugly-cries over "My friends, you bow to no one" in Return of the King despite having seen it a hundred times. And Kyle drops the mic with Kurosawa's Yojimbo — a samurai stands in a street full of corpses and says, "Town should be a lot quieter now. I'll see ya," then walks off into the credits. It may be the most perfect mic drop in cinema.So here we are. The end of Season One. It started in a tavern and ends with the gang leveling up, earning a long rest, and reminding you to go make weird art. Start strong. Take your notes. Cry a little. Ignore the bad ones. Keep going. And when you reach the end, make it count. Now go. Make something strange. And whatever you do, don't let the hands win.Works Mentioned(In order of appearance, because we care about beginnings too)Verity by Colleen HooverBridget Jones’s Diary (2001)The Dark Knight (2008)The Gone-Away World by Nick HarkawayBlade Runner (1982)“The Body Politic” from The Inhuman Condition by Clive BarkerInception (2010)Whiplash (2014)The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003)The Night Circus by Erin MorgensternYojimbo (1961) (00:00) - Welcome to Craft and Chaos (02:16) - Beginnings (21:49) - "Sponsor" Clouds (22:56) - Taking Notes (01:01:06) - "Sponsor" Coalition of Procrastinators (01:02:26) - Endings

This week on Craft and Chaos, Misty wrangles the chaos as the team dives into the comfort of cozy mysteries, the horror of genre snobbery, and the existential unraveling that occurs when you go viral and absolutely nothing happens.We kick off with a round of “what are you enjoying,” which—shockingly—turns into a love letter to Murderbot, Idris Elba, and Helen Mirren solving crimes while wearing cozy cardigans. Pete accidentally reboots his Apple TV algorithm. Ryan makes new famous friends. Kyle shares a Netflix recommendation so charming it may cause spontaneous Britishness. And Misty just got back from Edinburgh Fringe with a play that involved one tire and possibly a direct hotline to the gods of storytelling.Then we take on a deceptively gentle listener question: “How do you find a supportive creative community when yours has turned toxic?” Cue the most emotionally validating roundtable since that time you cried in your car after improv class. The crew gets real about vibe checks, class-based writing groups, running far away from bad energy, and possibly forming a new community by declaring “you’re in my group now” to strangers in a bookstore café.We have a rousing round of Craft Confessions this week and we unpack a brutally honest essay from Amy McNee, whose appearance on a massive podcast should have led to skyrocketing book sales. It didn’t. At all. And that leads us into a real conversation about what success actually looks like when the “big break” doesn’t break anything.Finally, we ruin classic movies. Bet you’ll have Little Women: Too Little, Too Women. living rent free you-know-where when it’s over.Links & NotesShows, Movies, and BooksHijackOnly Murders in the BuildingHigh PotentialKnives Out / Glass Onion / Wake Up Dead ManThursday Murder Club (based on the books by Richard Osman)Murderbot Diaries by Martha WellsMurderbot Audiobooks via GraphicAudioSandstorm by James RollinsA Letter to Lyndon B. Johnson or God, Whoever Reads This First by Xhloe and NatashaWriters & Creators MentionedAmie McNee (Author of We Need Your Art)"I went on one of the biggest podcast in the world" by Amie McNeeBonus D&D ReferenceDeborah Ann Woll explains D&D to Jon Bernthal (00:00) - Welcome to Craft and Chaos (01:04) - What are you enjoying right now? (09:57) - Listener Questions! (23:22) - "Sponsor" The Other Orange (24:54) - Craft Confessions (37:15) - What's the Bump? Tell me what's a-happenin' ... How do you define success? (57:48) - "Sponsor:" Your Favorite Comfort Show (58:59) - The Terrible Sequel Generator

If you’ve ever thought “My life would be so much easier if I just changed my name to Wanda Milkshake,” then you already understand the energy of this episode. Kyle has an existential crisis about his last name, which, as it turns out, is basically a bureaucratic cover-up from Ellis Island. Misty makes an airtight case for Lucille Ball not just as a comedy legend, but as the secret godmother of Star Trek. Pete reveals that Steve Jobs personally ruined his ability to touch a Windows machine without crying, and Ryan teaches us why Spider-Man should never give a TED Talk while being punched in the face.Along the way, we invent an entire pulp noir character—Brooksie Skittles—because apparently none of us can be trusted with free time. We also discover that your true adult-entertainment name is your grandmother’s first name plus the last dessert you ate, which is both hilarious and a devastating reminder that you’ve been eating Pop-Tarts for dinner.But beneath the jokes, there’s a point here: inspiration is weird, inconsistent, and often arrives from places that make no sense at all. Whether it’s bittersweet sitcoms, Brené Brown’s radical vulnerability, or Prince literally existing as a one-man thunderstorm, these are the figures chiseling away at our creative DNA. And if that means our Mount Rushmore ends up looking less like granite and more like a fever dream carved out of pudding, well, at least it’s honest.Mentioned in the EpisodeScrubs (TV series)Mission Impossible 3 (film)The Gone Away World by Nick HarkawaySpider-Man comics (assorted runs)John & Hank Green (Vlogbrothers, authors)Douglas Adams (The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy)Prince (musician, icon)Steve Jobs (Apple)Frances Marion (screenwriter)Lucille Ball (I Love Lucy)Phoebe Waller-Bridge (Fleabag, Killing Eve)Brené Brown (Daring Greatly, shame research)Aaron Sorkin (The West Wing)Dirk Maggs (audio drama producer)Peter David (comic/Star Trek novelist)Jane Espenson (Buffy, Battlestar Galactica)Dying for Sex (Hulu series & podcast)Onyx Storm by Rebecca YarrosAdults (Hulu/Disney+)The Residence (Netflix) (00:00) - Welcome to Craft and Chaos! (00:54) - What's In a Name? (18:38) - "Sponsor:" Sitting in the Dark — A Horror Podcast (20:04) - Your Rushmore (55:36) - "Sponsor:" Problem Attic!

This week on Craft and Chaos, we asked a simple question: how do you keep making things when the world feels like it’s melting into a fine mist of hopelessness, bad headlines, and that one guy in your group chat who just did that one thing with that one person and now won’t shut up about it? Misty takes the hosting reins and invites Pete, Kyle, and Ryan to explore what it means to create during a time when existential dread has gone from a background hum to a full-blown dubstep remix.We begin with a trip to Phoenix Fan Fusion, where Ryan’s book sold out, Kyle got to unleash his inner Marvel nerd, and apparently Hayden Christensen is still drawing a crowd. Then we dive straight into the emotional lava pit: Pete confesses to skipping the premiere of the short film that got him his first job (because self-doubt is a sneaky bastard), Misty reads poetry that is wonderful surely didn’t come from the pen of someone who claims not to be a poet, and Kyle shares a fan fiction stage script that accidentally found a moment of grace in the middle of a ridiculous showdown involving electric pencil sharpeners. Yes, that sentence was real. Finally, Ryan brings a punk rock script for public reading and it goes about as punk rock as you can imagine it would with... you know... us.Also: haunted British girls endorse self-help podcasts. There’s a tangent about dressage that spirals out of control. And we all admit that five-star reviews are less about algorithmic reach and more about soothing our delicate, trembling egos.So if you’re out there wondering whether any of this creative nonsense actually matters—whether your fanfic, your sketchbook, your unfinished novel or weird little voice memo has value—the answer is yes. Because it matters to you. And maybe, just maybe, it will matter to someone else too. Even if it takes them ten years and a random internet stumble to find it.Go ahead. Make something weird. And for the love of God, review the podcast. (00:00) - Welcome to Craft and Chaos (03:52) - The Phoenix Fan Fusion Report (15:15) - "Sponsor" The Other Orange (16:50) - How DO You Make Art When The World is On Fire? (39:42) - "Sponsor" Go Help Yourself Podcast! (41:49) - The Proudnesses

In this episode of Craft and Chaos, the team barrels past the sophomore slump and directly into a full-on identity crisis, complete with pseudonyms, fake sponsors, and a trivia contest where the prize is fractional horse ownership. Kyle Olson hosts Misty Stinnett, Ryan Dalton, and Pete Wright in a wildly meandering conversation about creative resilience, the dangers of scorpions, and why “bookmark” might be the most emotionally accurate verb of 2025. They debate the ethics of banana bread espionage, perform a cold read of a sewage-plant noir mystery written under the influence of neurotoxins, and invent a sponsor who promises not just goods and services, but also existential dread. Somewhere in there, Misty becomes a certified coach, Pete learns about Jeff Bridges’ jazz career, and Ryan achieves his dream of invoking TV’s Patrick Duffy for absolutely no reason at all.It’s absurd. It’s sincere. It’s exactly what happens when creative people try to talk about their work and end up inventing a shadow organization called The Other Orange. Pancakes are eternal. Footnotes are emotional. And yes, creative survival is still possible—even if your leg is on fire.Subscribe wherever chaos is allowed. Support the show at https://trustory.fm/join, and we’ll send you the rest of the horse.**We will not. (00:00) - Welcome to Craft and Chaos (00:54) - Introductions... again. (05:07) - New Rules: Footnotes and Bookmarks (10:52) - SPONSOR: Pancakes (13:27) - Misty's Trivia Corner (23:24) - *Footnote: What can we learn about TV's Patrick Duffy? (26:50) - Storytime with Kyle

How do you make art when the world feels like it’s on fire?Welcome to Craft and Chaos, the podcast for creative minds trying to thrive in the madness. Whether you write, paint, build, perform, or daydream ideas that keep you up at night, this show is your companion through the wild ride of making something out of nothing.Join Misty, Pete, Kyle, and Ryan — a ragtag team of creative types — as they dive into the joy, frustration, and beautiful mess of the artistic process. From the spark of inspiration to the reality of “I actually made this,” they’ll share honest stories, epic wins, total flops, and the weird, wonderful chaos that comes with being possessed by a new idea.This isn’t just about craft. It’s about surviving the noise, embracing your weird, and making cool stuff anyway.Wherever the strangest podcasts are found.