DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer

From buying his first fourplex in Albuquerque for $117,000 to helping build a portfolio of more than 2,700 apartment units and 100,000 square feet of industrial real estate, Jens Nielsen shares why hiring property management on day one, picking the right investors, and getting visionary owners out of their own way matter more than chasing the next deal. In this episode of the DealQuest Podcast, host Corey Kupfer sits down with Jens Nielsen, a commercial real estate investor, operator, and business coach based in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Jens spent 27 years in IT and telecom before transitioning to full-time real estate investing, raising over $10 million in private capital across more than thirty deals. He now works with entrepreneurs across industries to improve execution, leadership, and scalability. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: Why hiring property management before closing your first deal can save your sanity, how to spot the wrong investor before money changes hands, and why the visionary owner refusing to let go is the biggest blocker to growth in most companies. Jens also explains his pivot from multifamily to light industrial when rates climbed in 2022 and 2023. JENS' JOURNEY: After 27 years in corporate IT and telecom, his mother's passing at age 52 became the catalyst for Jens to seek freedom and disconnect his time from his income. In 2016 he bought his first commercial deal, a fourplex in Albuquerque, New Mexico for $117,000, and hired property management on day one because he lived four hours away in Colorado. His first syndication followed in 2018 with a 38-unit property and five partners. He and his partners have since built a portfolio of more than 2,700 apartment units and over 100,000 square feet of industrial real estate across multiple states. KEY INSIGHTS: Pay attention to investor temperament before money hits the account. One of Jens's first syndication partners wanted more control than he had and freaked out at every financial report. After six months, Jens bought him out so they could both sleep at night. His lesson is direct. If you have to convince someone to invest, that is not a yes. Do enough deals to let the law of large numbers work for you. One of his properties returned 350 percent. Another lost money entirely. If you put everything into one deal, you are gambling, not investing. The visionary owner not letting go is the biggest growth blocker in most companies. Jens has applied the same operational fix across gyms, property management firms, bakeries, a law firm, and an auto shop. The industries change. The bottleneck does not. Perfect for first-time real estate investors trying to avoid the second-job trap, experienced syndicators thinking through investor selection, and entrepreneurs who have hit a growth ceiling because they cannot get out of their own way. FOR MORE ON THIS EPISODE: https://www.coreykupfer.com/blog/jensnielsen FOR MORE ON JENS NIELSEN: https://www.jensnielsen.us https://www.facebook.com/coachjenshttps://www.linkedin.com/in/jenswnielsen/ FOR MORE ON COREY KUPFER https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreykupfer/ https://www.coreykupfer.com/ Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker. He has more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker. He is deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is also the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast. Get deal-ready with the DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer, where like-minded entrepreneurs and business leaders converge, share insights and challenges, and success stories. Equip yourself with the tools, resources, and support necessary to navigate the complex yet rewarding world of dealmaking. Dive into the world of deal-driven growth today! Episode Highlights with Timestamps [00:00:00] - Introduction and overview [00:03:06] - First fourplex in Albuquerque for $117,000 [00:04:10] - Mother's passing at 52 as the catalyst [00:08:03] - Hiring property management on day one [00:10:37] - The first 38-unit syndication in 2018 [00:15:02] - Buying out a nervous investor partner [00:26:31] - The visionary owner not letting go [00:40:36] - Pivoting into light industrial and flex space [00:44:24] - What freedom means to Jens Guest Bio Jens Nielsen is a commercial real estate investor, operator, and business coach based in Santa Fe, New Mexico. After a 27-year career in IT and telecom, he transitioned to full-time real estate investing and helped build a portfolio of more than 2,700 apartment units and over 100,000 square feet of industrial real estate. He has raised over $10 million in private capital and has firsthand experience navigating acquisitions, operational scaling, investor communications, and market downturns. His focus is on what happens after the deal closes. Originally from rural Denmark, Jens moved to the United States thirty years ago. He bought his first commercial property, a fourplex in Albuquerque, New Mexico, in 2016 and built his portfolio through more than thirty per-deal syndications across multiple states. Today he works with entrepreneurs and operators across industries, including gyms, property management companies, bakeries, a law firm, and an auto shop, helping them improve execution, leadership, and scalability so growth creates freedom instead of chaos. Host Bio Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker with more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast. Show Description Do you want your business to grow faster? The DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer reveals how successful entrepreneurs and business leaders use strategic deals to accelerate growth. From large mergers and acquisitions to capital raising, joint ventures, strategic alliances, real estate deals, and more, this show discusses the full spectrum of deal-driven growth strategies. Get the confidence to pursue deals that will help your company scale faster. Related Episodes Episode 338 - Joel Miller: Real estate investing, rental property wealth, and hard money lendingEpisode 328 - Richard Manders: Free Scale Coaching and helping founders build businesses that scale beyond them Episode 336 - Devan Gonzalez: The visionary and integrator dynamic in growing entrepreneurial companies Episode 350 - Tom Dillon: Capital strategy, alternative funding sources, and when not to take venture money   Keywords/Tags:commercial real estate, real estate syndication, multifamily investing, light industrial real estate, flex space, property management, raising private capital, accredited investor strategy, IT career transition, working on the business, visionary bottleneck, EOS implementation, E-Myth, business coaching, scaling small businesses, Albuquerque real estate, Pennsylvania real estate, owner-operator real estate, real estate fundamentals, entrepreneurial freedom

From speaking at three major wealth management conferences in a single quarter to mapping out a pattern that's already reshaped accounting and is now creeping into law and the trades, Corey Kupfer breaks down the barbell effect and what business owners should be doing now to avoid getting caught in the middle. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: In this episode, you'll discover what the barbell effect is and why it shows up across industries once consolidation and outside capital enter the picture, how accounting's shift from the Big Eight to the Big Four foreshadows what may be coming in wealth management, and why most deals positioned as mergers are actually acquisitions in disguise. Corey explains why firms stuck in the middle face higher overhead than small competitors and fewer resources than large ones, and how the same dynamic is showing up in the trades, from roofing to electrical. KEY INSIGHTS: The barbell effect describes what happens as an industry consolidates: large, well funded firms on one end, small boutique firms on the other, and the middle becoming the hardest place to operate, with higher overhead than small competitors and fewer resources than large ones. The accounting industry offers a preview of where wealth management may be headed. Corey points to the shift from the Big Eight to the Big Four, and to firms like Eisner and Amper merging to compete at a higher level, along with Apria's growth through acquisition. In legal, only attorneys can own law firms in most states, but Corey describes private equity entering through a managed services model similar to healthcare, where a non-legal company runs the back office while attorneys retain ownership of the practice. Corey shares a comment from his Entrepreneurs Organization lawyers group, that it is much easier to run a law firm under two million dollars or over ten million dollars in revenue than to be stuck in the middle, connecting this to the crossing the chasm dynamic of investing ahead of payoff. Drawing on NAPFA in Minneapolis, Corey notes many members are choosing not to sell to PE backed aggregators, even leaving value on the table, out of concern for fiduciary alignment, while noting he is relaying their perspective rather than judging it. He also points out most "mergers" are actually acquisitions, cites the 2026 Advisor Growth Strategies Report and DeVoe's data showing fewer buyers chasing more sellers and average seller AUM crossing a billion dollars, and closes by noting the same barbell dynamic in the trades, where consolidators and mom and pop firms both persist while the middle gets squeezed. Perfect for RIA owners weighing independence, succession, or sale, leaders of growing companies assessing their industry's consolidation cycle, and anyone navigating competition in the middle market. FOR MORE ON THIS EPISODE: https://www.coreykupfer.com/blog/barbelleffect FOR MORE ON COREY KUPFER https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreykupfer/ https://www.coreykupfer.com/ Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker. He has more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker. He is deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is also the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast. Get deal-ready with the DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer, where like-minded entrepreneurs and business leaders converge, share insights and challenges, and success stories. Equip yourself with the tools, resources, and support necessary to navigate the complex yet rewarding world of dealmaking. Dive into the world of deal-driven growth today! Episode Highlights with Timestamps [00:00:04] - Introduction: the barbell effect and why Corey is talking about it now [00:04:23] - The NAPFA community conversation on succession and exit options aligned with values [00:08:37] - What the barbell effect is and why the middle becomes the hardest place to compete  [00:12:21] - Why it's easier to run a law firm under two million or over ten million in revenue than to be stuck in the middle  [00:16:14] - NAPFA advisors and the choice to stay independent from PE backed aggregators[00:19:55] - The barbell effect in the trades: roofing, gutters, and electrical consolidation[00:21:55] - Planning for industry evolution instead of being surprised by it Host Bio Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker with more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast. Show Description Do you want your business to grow faster? The DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer reveals how successful entrepreneurs and business leaders use strategic deals to accelerate growth. From large mergers and acquisitions to capital raising, joint ventures, strategic alliances, real estate deals, and more, this show discusses the full spectrum of deal-driven growth strategies. Get the confidence to pursue deals that will help your company scale faster. Related Episodes Episode 350 - Tom Dillon: Building a firm positioned for acquisition and succession Episode 339 - Solocast 74: Building your G2 and creating optionality for internal successionEpisode 331 - Solocast 72: Reading macro and industry trends without letting personal views distort business decisionsEpisode 327 - Solocast 71: Using authority marketing to build relationships and deal flow   Keywords/Tags barbell effect, industry consolidation, RIA independence, private equity wealth management, mergers and acquisitions, internal succession planning, mergers of equals, middle market squeeze, fiduciary advisors, NAPFA, accounting industry consolidation, legal industry private equity, managed services organization, crossing the chasm, RIA exit planning, trades industry consolidation, deal driven growth, 2026 advisor growth strategies, business positioning strategy, exit strategy planning

After 35+ years of closing deals across industries, Corey Kupfer shares the practical strategies that separate deals that close from deals that die in the final stretch. This remastered solocast from the early days of DealQuest delivers timeless advice on getting deals across the finish line. In this solocast episode of the DealQuest Podcast, host Corey Kupfer breaks down the critical factors that determine whether your deal actually closes or falls apart at the last minute. Drawing from decades of experience as an M&A attorney, entrepreneur, and dealmaker, Corey addresses the mental traps, preparation gaps, and emotional triggers that derail otherwise successful transactions. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: In this episode, you'll discover why mentally closing a deal before it actually closes is the biggest mistake dealmakers make, and how "spending the money in your mind" sabotages your focus and negotiating position. Corey explains the concept of pre-due diligence and why preparation before the LOI stage prevents deals from falling apart during buyer scrutiny. You'll learn how to identify your true bottom line and get total clarity on what's acceptable and what's not. The episode covers how ego and emotional attachment blow deals that would otherwise succeed, the strategic balance of bringing in key stakeholders while maintaining confidentiality, and how to keep deal momentum alive through consistent engagement with your professional team. WHY DEALS DIE: Most deals don't fall apart because of bad terms or major due diligence discoveries. They fall apart because someone mentally checked out too early. The moment you sign the LOI and start treating the deal as done, you stop focusing on the critical work still required. You stop keeping your due diligence clean. You stop maintaining pace. You stop staying hungry for the close. The other side senses this shift, issues arise that could have been managed, and momentum dies. PRE-DUE DILIGENCE PREPARATION: One of the best ways to ensure deals close is preparation that happens before negotiations even heat up. If you're selling your company, experienced advisors know what buyers will examine. If you're raising capital, they know what investors will scrutinize. The goal is to be fully prepared and looking great before their team starts asking questions. Many deals fall apart during due diligence because sellers haven't done this preparation work. When there's smoke, buyers think there's fire. One issue makes them worry about ten others they haven't found yet. TRUE BOTTOM LINE CLARITY: This connects to a fundamental negotiating principle from Corey's Authentic Negotiating book. You need total clarity on exactly what's acceptable and what's not acceptable to you. When things shift unexpectedly, whether the economy changes, due diligence reveals issues, a key employee leaves, or you lose a major client, that foundation of clarity determines whether you navigate the disruption or let it derail everything. If you don't know your true bottom line, these disruptions can easily prevent you from ever reaching closing. MANAGING EGO AND ATTACHMENT: As deals progress, watch for ego and emotional attachment on both sides. When the other party raises issues close to closing, you need clarity to analyze whether those issues actually matter versus reacting because you feel triggered. Sometimes people blow deals not because the terms became unacceptable, but because they got tired, frustrated, or insulted. Don't let triggering emotions destroy a deal that could be very good or lucrative for you. STAKEHOLDER ALIGNMENT: Deals can fail at the last minute because the principals assume alignment that doesn't exist. They go to key employees, minority owners, or investors expecting buy-in and discover it isn't there. The balance between confidentiality and getting necessary stakeholder alignment requires strategic thinking. Especially if you're selling your company, you have to weigh not being seen as "in play" on the marketplace and not having employees get spooked against the risk of bringing key folks in too late. MAINTAINING MOMENTUM: Work closely with your team and professionals to keep the pace of the deal moving forward. Deals die when people lose interest or momentum simply fades. Consistent engagement, timely responses to information requests, and staying available to work through inevitable issues keeps deals on track. Perfect for business owners preparing to sell, executives pursuing acquisitions, entrepreneurs raising capital, and anyone involved in transactions who wants to understand why deals succeed or fail in the final stretch. FOR MORE ON THIS EPISODE: https://www.coreykupfer.com/blog/how-to-close-deals FOR MORE ON COREY KUPFER https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreykupfer/ https://www.coreykupfer.com/ Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker. He has more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker. He is deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is also the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast. Get deal-ready with the DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer, where like-minded entrepreneurs and business leaders converge, share insights and challenges, and success stories. Equip yourself with the tools, resources, and support necessary to navigate the complex yet rewarding world of dealmaking. Dive into the world of deal-driven growth today! Episode Highlights with Timestamps [00:00] - Introduction to the remastered episode series and podcast growth [01:30] - Setting up the solocast on how to close deals [02:00] - The biggest mistake: mentally closing deals before they're actually closed [03:15] - Why "spending the money in your mind" sabotages your deal [04:00] - The deal is not closed until it is closed: maintaining focus through closing [04:45] - Pre-due diligence preparation as your secret weapon [05:30] - How preparation upfront prevents deals from falling apart [06:15] - The true bottom line concept from Authentic Negotiating [06:45] - Why clarity on objectives helps navigate unexpected disruptions [07:15] - Watching your ego and attachment as deals progress [08:00] - Recognizing when you're triggered versus making clear-headed decisions [08:45] - Making sure stakeholders are aligned before closing [09:15] - Balancing confidentiality with getting necessary buy-in [09:45] - Maintaining deal momentum through engagement with your team Host Bio: Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker with more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast. Show Description: Do you want your business to grow faster? The DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer reveals how successful entrepreneurs and business leaders use strategic deals to accelerate growth. From large mergers and acquisitions to capital raising, joint ventures, strategic alliances, real estate deals, and more, this show discusses the full spectrum of deal-driven growth strategies. Get the confidence to pursue deals that will help your company scale faster. Related Episodes: Episode 366 - Jodi Hume on Exit Planning and Founder Clarity Episode 330 - Pete Mohr on Business Transitions and Stakeholder Alignment Episode 337 - Jonathan Gardner on Cross-Cultural Deals and Due Diligence Episode 324 - Sejal Lakhani-Bhatt on Tech Due Diligence in M&A Episode 332 - John Martinka on Financial Due Diligence Best Practices Follow DealQuest Podcast: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreykupfer/ Website: https://www.coreykupfer.com/ Keywords/Tags: how to close deals, deal closing strategies, M&A closing process, due diligence preparation, letter of intent, deal negotiation, business acquisition, deal momentum, stakeholder alignment, pre-due diligence, authentic negotiating, true bottom line, deal mindset, transaction management, merger and acquisition, capital raising, joint ventures, business sale preparation, negotiation strategy, dealmaking

From Olympic sprinter to trusted advisor helping entrepreneurs save millions in taxes, David Flores Wilson shares proven strategies for QSBS planning, equity compensation design, and preparing business owners for successful exits both financially and personally. In this episode of the DealQuest Podcast, host Corey Kupfer sits down with David Flores Wilson, CFA, CFP, Managing Partner at Sinceres, who advises entrepreneurs and business owners in New York City on personal financial planning from formation to exit and beyond. David is a multiple Investopedia Top 100 Financial Advisor whose guidance has appeared in CNBC, Yahoo Finance, the New York Times, US News and World Report, and Investment News. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: In this episode, you'll discover how QSBS planning can potentially exclude $10 million to $70 million or more in capital gains from taxes when structured correctly, why LLC to C Corp conversion timing creates dramatic differences in tax outcomes, and how QSBS stacking through non-grantor trusts multiplies exclusions. David shares why equity compensation plans often fail to motivate the specific people they target and what questions to ask before choosing a vehicle. You'll also learn about the personal readiness component of exit planning that determines whether entrepreneurs thrive or struggle after selling their businesses. DAVID'S JOURNEY: David's path to financial planning started with entrepreneurial instincts in an unexpected place. Growing up in Guam, he ran a comic book arbitrage business as a kid, discovering price differences between local stores and mainland mail-order catalogs. His father was a CPA with a home office, and despite wanting nothing to do with accounting, David absorbed financial concepts through osmosis that would later prove invaluable. After college at UC Berkeley, David joined Lehman Brothers and worked through the financial crisis. During that time, colleagues started coming to him with financial planning questions, and he realized helping people with their money was his true passion. He sat on that realization for years before eventually transitioning to financial planning. When Covid hit in 2020, David and his partner Dan Ryan launched Sinceres, and the firm has been growing since. OLYMPICS LESSON: David represented Guam in track and field at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, competing in the 200 and 400 meters. The experience taught him something crucial about career selection. Unlike running, where pushing harder brings diminishing returns and constant injury risk, financial planning offers the opportunity to improve incrementally every single day. That compounding knowledge approach now drives how he serves clients. KEY INSIGHTS: QSBS planning stands out as potentially the most powerful tax planning tool for qualifying entrepreneurs. C Corps meeting holding period and active business requirements can exclude $10 million in gains, or 10 times basis for older shares, with new legislation increasing that to $15 million. The planning becomes even more powerful with LLC conversions where market value at conversion becomes the QSBS basis. The biggest mistake with equity compensation involves choosing vehicles based on what owners like rather than what motivates specific employees. "Equity" can mean participation in profits, upside potential, a seat at the table, or financial disclosure. Different people value these differently, and the best planning starts with understanding objectives before selecting tools. Exit planning involves three components that David implements from the first meeting with business owners. Getting personally ready addresses what provides purpose after selling. Getting financially ready ensures the numbers work. Getting business ready covers everything from customer concentration to management team development. The recent One Big Beautiful Bill Act has changed QSBS holding periods, SALT deductions, and AMT rules. Business owners should review their planning with advisors rather than assuming previous strategies still apply. Perfect for entrepreneurs considering entity structure decisions, business owners thinking about exit planning, and anyone interested in tax-efficient wealth building strategies. FOR MORE ON THIS EPISODE: https://www.coreykupfer.com/blog/davidfloreswilson FOR MORE ON DAVID FLORES WILSON: https://www.planningtowealth.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidfloreswilson/ FOR MORE ON COREY KUPFER https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreykupfer/ https://www.coreykupfer.com/ Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker. He has more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker. He is deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is also the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast. Get deal-ready with the DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer, where like-minded entrepreneurs and business leaders converge, share insights and challenges, and success stories. Equip yourself with the tools, resources, and support necessary to navigate the complex yet rewarding world of dealmaking. Dive into the world of deal-driven growth today! Episode Highlights with Timestamps: [00:00] - Introduction: David Flores Wilson's credentials and areas of expertise [02:55] - Growing up in Guam with a comic book arbitrage business and CPA father [07:58] - Representing Guam at the 1996 Atlanta Olympics and career lessons from athletics [09:28] - QSBS fundamentals: Exclusions, holding periods, and qualifying business requirements [10:45] - LLC to C Corp conversions and the basis multiplication strategy [11:40] - QSBS stacking through non-grantor trusts and family gifting [19:40] - Equity compensation design: Why attraction, retention, and incentive vehicles often miss the mark[28:37] - Journey from Lehman Brothers through the financial crisis to launching Sinceres [31:59] - Exit planning framework: Personal, financial, and business readiness [41:27] - Recent tax law changes from the One Big Beautiful Bill Act [44:09] - What freedom means: Making impact through continuous improvement Guest Bio David Flores Wilson, CFA, CFP, is Managing Partner at Sinceres, advising entrepreneurs and business owners in New York City on personal financial planning from formation to exit and beyond. His areas of expertise include qualified small business stock planning, business exit planning, and equity compensation planning. David is a multiple Investopedia Top 100 Financial Advisor whose guidance has appeared in CNBC, Yahoo Finance, the New York Times, US News and World Report, and Investment News. He represented Guam in the 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games and sits on the Board of Directors as treasurer of the Lower East Side Girls Club. David is active in Entrepreneurs Organization, the Estate Planning Council of New York City, Advisors in Philanthropy, and the Exit Planning Institute. Host Bio Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker with more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast. Show Description Do you want your business to grow faster? The DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer reveals how successful entrepreneurs and business leaders use strategic deals to accelerate growth. From large mergers and acquisitions to capital raising, joint ventures, strategic alliances, real estate deals, and more, this show discusses the full spectrum of deal-driven growth strategies. Get the confidence to pursue deals that will help your company scale faster. Related Episodes Episode 325 - Kelly Finnell: Using ESOPs in Ownership Succession Planning Episode 350 - Tom Dillon: Understanding Business Valuation and Exit Planning Realities Episode 328 - Richard Manders: Post-Exit Transitions and What Comes After Selling Your Business Episode 339 - Solocast 74: Equitizing Key Employees and Succession Planning Strategies Follow DealQuest Podcast: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreykupfer/ Website: https://www.coreykupfer.com/ Follow David Flores Wilson: Website: https://www.planningtowealth.com Keywords/Tags QSBS planning, qualified small business stock, business exit planning, equity compensation, entrepreneur tax strategy, LLC vs C Corp, financial planning for business owners, exit planning institute, tax-efficient wealth building, business succession planning, capital gains exclusion, non-grantor trusts, C corporation conversion, equity incentive plans, entrepreneur financial advisor

In this remastered DealQuest solocast, Corey Kupfer shares insights from over 35 years of cross-border deal-making experience. Originally recorded when the podcast was still called Fueling Deals, this episode remains highly relevant for entrepreneurs considering international expansion or partnerships with foreign companies. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN Why international deals offer significant growth opportunities in less saturated markets The critical importance of finding trusted local partners who understand culture, laws, and how business actually gets done in foreign jurisdictions How employment laws, IP protections, and disclosure requirements vary dramatically across countries and why this matters for your deals Cultural considerations that can make or break international transactions, including business card etiquette, relationship building timelines, and signing ceremony customs Why due diligence processes must be adapted for each jurisdiction's available information and verification methods How foreign companies entering your market could become partners, joint venture collaborators, or even buyers rather than competitors CROSS-REFERENCED EPISODES Episode 173 with Wendy Pease covers international deal lessons in depth Episode 337 with Jonathan Gardner discusses cultural integration in M&A transactions Episode 175 with Natasha Miller explores strategic partnerships with competitors ABOUT THIS EPISODE This remastered episode was selected from the DealQuest archives because the advice and frameworks remain timeless. Corey discusses why globalization will continue despite disruptions, how to approach market entry in foreign jurisdictions, and the opportunity to turn potential foreign competitors into strategic partners. CONNECT WITH COREY LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/coreykupfer Website: coreykupfer.com ABOUT COREY KUPFER Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker with more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. He is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker who is deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. Corey is the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast.

From process consultant to helping businesses increase their enterprise value through systematization, Adi Klevit shares proven strategies for documenting operations, preparing companies for successful exits, and ensuring post-merger integrations don't fall apart. In this episode of the DealQuest Podcast, host Corey Kupfer sits down with Adi Klevit, founder of Business Success Consulting Group, who has spent over 30 years helping entrepreneurs bring order to their operations. Adi hosts the Systems Simplified podcast and contributes articles to Inc.com. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: In this episode, you'll discover how documented processes dramatically increase enterprise value when selling a business, why buyers light up when they realize they're purchasing a system rather than just a company, and the concept of "unconscious competence" that keeps valuable knowledge trapped in entrepreneurs' heads. Adi shares how to extract hidden systems behind your natural talents, why entrepreneurs resist systematization even though it creates freedom, and how to get teams to actually follow documented processes. You'll also learn how process documentation complements entrepreneurial operating systems like EOS and Scaling Up, what breaks down in post-merger integration when documentation doesn't exist, and why AI is a powerful tool but cannot replace human judgment. ADI'S JOURNEY: Adi started a tutoring business in 9th grade that grew entirely through referrals, teaching her early lessons about balancing promotion with delivery. After working as VP of Marketing at an international consulting company, she launched her own firm when partnership wasn't available. As a general business consultant, she kept telling clients they needed documented processes, and nothing would happen. Finally, she offered to do it for them, and a niche was born. KEY INSIGHTS: A painting company owner documented all their processes with Adi's help. When he went to sell, the buyer's eyes lit up because he realized he wasn't just buying a painting company. He was buying a complete system and operation. On the flip side, Adi recently got a call from someone who bought a company with 60 employees and nothing documented. If everyone quit tomorrow, he would have no idea how to run what he just purchased. EOS implementers are Adi's biggest referral source because operating systems tell you that you need documented processes but don't create them for you. Adi's firm serves as a fractional process team that does the implementation work entrepreneurs keep pushing off. Too many people think deals are done when documents are signed. Adi works with companies that grow through acquisition, helping them bring new employees up to speed on unified systems. Even when both companies have good systems independently, those systems differ. Integration work determines whether the combined entity functions as one or remains two disconnected operations. For Adi, freedom means the ability to create. The systems she builds generate the freedom she values. Perfect for business owners preparing for exits, entrepreneurs struggling to extract knowledge from their heads, and acquirers concerned about post-merger integration. FOR MORE ON THIS EPISODE: https://www.coreykupfer.com/blog/adiklevit FOR MORE ON ADI KLEVIT: https://www.bizsuccesscg.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/adiklevit/ https://www.successreplicator.com  FOR MORE ON COREY KUPFER https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreykupfer/ https://www.coreykupfer.com/ Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker. He has more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker. He is deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is also the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast. Get deal-ready with the DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer, where like-minded entrepreneurs and business leaders converge, share insights and challenges, and success stories. Equip yourself with the tools, resources, and support necessary to navigate the complex yet rewarding world of dealmaking. Dive into the world of deal-driven growth today! Episode Highlights with Timestamps: [00:00] - Introduction: Adi Klevit's journey from childhood entrepreneur to process consultant [09:13] - Starting a tutoring business in 9th grade and learning about business cycles [15:22] - How passion for systematization developed through frustration with clients [18:31] - The painting company story: Buyers purchasing systems, not just businesses [22:04] - Corey's business development system he didn't know he had  [26:37] - Getting teams to actually follow documented processes [34:05] - How process documentation complements EOS and other operating systems  [38:56] - Post-merger integration: Where good deals go to die  [46:26] - Which business areas prove most problematic in integration [51:03] - Why AI cannot replace human judgment in process work [52:56] - Freedom as the ability to create through systems Guest Bio: Adi Klevit is passionate about helping businesses bring order to their operations. With over 30 years of experience as a process consultant, executive, and entrepreneur, she is an expert at making the complex simple. Adi founded Business Success Consulting Group after recognizing that entrepreneurs needed someone to actually do the documentation work they kept putting off. She has been featured on numerous podcasts and delivered many webinars and live workshops sharing her insights on systemizing a business. She hosts the Systems Simplified podcast and publishes a weekly blog, with articles appearing in Inc.com. Known for turning what some see as a dry topic into something fun and practical, Adi shows audiences how to document, implement, and maintain systems that really work. Host Bio: Corey Kupfer is an expert strategist, negotiator, and dealmaker with more than 35 years of professional deal-making and negotiating experience. Corey is a successful entrepreneur, attorney, consultant, author, and professional speaker deeply passionate about deal-driven growth. He is the creator and host of the DealQuest Podcast. Show Description: Do you want your business to grow faster? The DealQuest Podcast with Corey Kupfer reveals how successful entrepreneurs and business leaders use strategic deals to accelerate growth. From large mergers and acquisitions to capital raising, joint ventures, strategic alliances, real estate deals, and more, this show discusses the full spectrum of deal-driven growth strategies. Get the confidence to pursue deals that will help your company scale faster. Related Episodes: Episode 337 - Mastering Post-Merger Integration with Jonathan Gardner: Explore how integration teams need authority and cross-functional participation to succeed after deals close. Episode 330 - From Operator to Owner: Business Freedom with Pete Mohr: Discover why being exit-ready creates freedom whether or not you plan to sell. Episode 341 - Avoid Major Scaling Mistakes with Robert Levin: Learn how sustainable growth strategies prevent the chaos that makes systematization essential. Episode 325 - ESOPs as Exit Strategy with Kelly Finnell: Understand alternative exit structures that preserve company culture and employee relationships. Episode 332 - The Art of Lucrative Exits and Business Growth with John Martinka: Master the fundamentals of preparing businesses for successful exits. Episode 333 - How to Franchise Your Business the Right Way with Greg Mohr: Learn how documented systems enable business replication and growth. Follow DealQuest Podcast: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreykupfer/ Website: https://www.coreykupfer.com/ Follow Adi Klevit: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adiklevit/ Company: https://www.bizsuccesscg.com E-Book: https://www.successreplicator.com Keywords/Tags: business systematization, process documentation, enterprise value, exit preparation, post-merger integration, unconscious competence, scaling businesses, EOS implementation, operational systems, business processes, M&A integration, due diligence, business valuation, entrepreneur freedom, knowledge transfer, team training, business operations, deal readiness, exit strategy, business consulting