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The Weaponization of Punitive Damages
Apr 16, 2026
46m 13s
"Reviving Fairness" in Malpractice Litigation: John Hall Returns
Mar 19, 2026
45m 07s
The Educated Defendant, Part Two: An Elite Trial Attorney's Advice
Feb 19, 2026
25m 34s
The Educated Defendant: An Attorney's Best Asset
Jan 18, 2026
55m 45s
Malpractice Litigation and Advocacy
Dec 16, 2025
55m 07s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4/16/26 | The Weaponization of Punitive Damages✨ | punitive damagesmedical malpractice+4 | Jessica Marshall | Mayer, LLP | New Mexico | punitive damagesmedical malpractice+5 | — | 46m 13s | |
| 3/19/26 | "Reviving Fairness" in Malpractice Litigation: John Hall Returns✨ | malpractice litigationhealthcare reform+3 | John E. Hall, Jr. | Hall Booth SmithAmerican Legal Connections+1 | — | malpracticelitigation+5 | — | 45m 07s | |
| 2/19/26 | The Educated Defendant, Part Two: An Elite Trial Attorney's Advice✨ | litigationmedical malpractice+3 | John E. Hall, Jr. | Hall Booth SmithAmerican Legal Connections+1 | — | litigationtrial attorney+3 | — | 25m 34s | |
| 1/18/26 | The Educated Defendant: An Attorney's Best Asset✨ | litigationmedical education+3 | Dr. Nirav Patel | The Pitt PodcastHBO Max+1 | — | litigationmedical malpractice+3 | — | 55m 45s | |
| 12/16/25 | Malpractice Litigation and Advocacy✨ | tort reformmalpractice litigation+3 | Shilpa Mathew, MD JD | American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists | United StatesNorthern California | tort reformmalpractice+3 | — | 55m 07s | |
| 11/16/25 | The Blame Game: Finger Pointing in Charting and Litigation✨ | litigationcharting+4 | Heather Hansen | — | — | blame gamelitigation+4 | LEAP for CliniciansLEAP100 | 44m 24s | |
| 10/13/25 | Communication After Catastrophe✨ | communicationmedical events+3 | Dr. Anthony Orsini | The Orsini Way | — | communicationlitigation+3 | LEAP CourseLEAP100 | 40m 34s | |
| 6/21/25 | Conversation With a Plaintiff's Attorney: Finding Common Ground✨ | plaintiff's attorneycommunication resolution programs+3 | Chad Englehardt | CMT JusticeWin - Win+1 | — | plaintiff's attorneycommunication resolution programs+3 | — | 1h 02m 12s | |
| 5/17/25 | DOJ vs. Doctor: One Physician's Victory✨ | healthcare fraudlegal battles+3 | Dr. Muhamad Aly Rifai | US Department of JusticeDepartment of Justice | — | healthcare fraudUS Department of Justice+3 | — | 27m 39s | |
| 4/19/25 | What You Should Know When The Government Comes Knocking✨ | healthcare fraudgovernment investigations+3 | Anthony Box | Department of JusticeFBI | — | healthcare fraudgovernment investigations+3 | — | 45m 25s | |
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| 4/6/19 | ![]() Introduction: What’s the Big Deal? | Litigation affects the majority of physicians during their career -- in other words, good doctors often get sued. Yet the topic is largely a taboo one among physicians. In this first episode, Dr. Gita Pensa introduces the topic of litigation stress, interviews physicians who have been sued about what makes the experience difficult, and talks to Louise Andrew, MD JD about why this topic needs to be addressed. Dr. Pensa successfully defended a multi-million dollar malpractice case spanning twelve years, including two jury trials. She speaks nationally on the topic of litigation and litigation stress, and has been a practicing physician for nearly 20 years. She is currently academic faculty at the Alpert Medical School of Brown University. However, these opinions are her own, and this podcast does not express the views of Brown University, her employers, or any affiliated hospital systems. More about Dr. Pensa: doctorsandlitigation.com Also available here on Apple podcasts. Theme music by BenJamin Banger (Instagram: @BenJaminBanger) _____________________ Check out Dr. Pensa's recent appearance on The Pitt Podcast -- the HBO Max companion podcast to the Emmy-winning hit show, The Pitt! Gita Pensa was thrilled to be a consultant for the hit drama The Pitt for the 2nd and (upcoming) 3rd seasons, bringing her expertise in malpractice litigation stress to help the show's writers understand what clinicians carry behind the scenes. She speaks about it more in Episode 10 of the HBO Max companion podcast. Watch here now: https://youtu.be/phwbzDMCuUc?si=DUymrA6dE9xYYVx_&t=2070 _______________________ Take the LEAP! Be litigation-ready. Learn from Dr. Pensa's attorney-vetted Litigation Education and Performance for Clinicians course. Up to 16 hours of AMA Category 1 CME/CNE credits available in this self-paced video course that will teach you about the skills and mindset required to face medical litigation with integrity and know how. Learn many of the techniques Dr. Pensa uses with her own 1:1 coaching clients. START HERE: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/LEAP/signup _______________________ Attorneys, Risk, Claims, and Medical Leadership: Learn about "Defense LEAP" and partnering with Dr. Pensa to ensure your medical defendants are supported and prepared from the very beginning. Contact Dr. Pensa through her website to learn more: https://www.doctorsandlitigation.com/contact ________________________ WATCH: The Emmy-nominated 30-minute documentary, "A World of Hurt: How Medical Malpractice Fails Everyone," featuring host Dr. Pensa. PBS: https://watch.ripbs.org/video/a-world-of-hurt-how-medical-malpractice-fails-everyone-uklpuo/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09IVcL6pACU | 17m 48s | ||||||
| 5/9/19 | ![]() First Steps: You‘ve Been Served | In the second episode of Doctors and Litigation: The L Word, we discuss the very first steps in litigation, starting with when you are given notice of a medical malpractice lawsuit. Experts Dr. Sara Charles, Dr. Ilene Brenner, and Dr. Louise Andrew lend their expertise; physician voices describe their experiences. More about author Dr. Pensa: doctorsandlitigation.com Topics discussed: The emotional impact of the first steps into litigation (and the intended effect from the plaintiff's attorneys), as well as some advice on how to frame it in your mind First action basics: contacting your insurance carrier, and finding an attorney to represent you Board of Licensure/Department of Health investigations that begin automatically in some states when litigation starts The beginnings of the 'discovery' process Who to talk to...and who not to talk to Do's and definite don'ts in the first stages Resources mentioned: "How to Survive a Medical Malpractice Lawsuit", by Ilene Brenner MD "Adverse Events, Stress and Litigation: A Physician's Guide", by Sara Charles, MD and Paul Frisch, JD Litigation stress website with free resources: www.physicianlitigationstress.org (founded by Dr. Sara Charles; note host Gita Pensa MD serves on the voluntary advisory board) Dr. Louise Andrew, MD JD: www.mdmentor.com Theme music by BenJamin Banger (Instagram: @BenJaminBanger) | 25m 20s | ||||||
| 6/15/19 | ![]() Stark Choices: The Case of Dr. V | In this third episode, you'll hear the story of one tragic medical case and its legal aftermath, involving a physician who did everything right -- and yet winds up as a defendant in a high-stakes malpractice trial. More about author Dr. Pensa: doctorsandlitigation.com | 20m 23s | ||||||
| 7/24/19 | ![]() Darkness Into Light: Suicide, Coping, and Hope | In this fourth episode, we first hear the story of Dr. J, an accomplished OB Gyn who died by suicide during litigation in the aftermath of the death of his patient. We then talk about barriers to physicians seeking help, and how peer support programs can act a a lifeline. And we talk to a psychologist with expertise in physician litigation about some techniques and strategies for coping with litigation stress. If you are in crisis, the National Suicide Prevention Hotline at 1-800-273-8255 is there for everyone -- even healers. More about Dr. Pensa: doctorsandlitigation.com | 40m 37s | ||||||
| 9/11/19 | ![]() L Word Mini: NPSA Day | In follow up to the fourth episode, which tells the story of Dr. J, a physician who died by suicide during medical malpractice litigation, this mini session highlights National Physician Suicide Awareness Day (NPSA Day) which falls on September 17th. This is during Suicide Prevention Month, and one week after World Suicide Prevention Day. Physicians have an increased risk of suicide over the general population; over 300 physicians die by suicide each year. I speak with Dr. Loice Swisher, co-founder of NPSA Day, tells us about its origins and ways that you can get involved. Follow hashtags #NPSADay, #DocsTalkSuicide, and for general suicide prevention, #BeTheOne or #BeTheOneTo. The fifth regular episode on the deposition will be out later this month. | 9m 04s | ||||||
| 9/25/19 | ![]() D-Day: Preparing For Your Deposition | In this episode, we discuss the need for emotional, psychological, and practical preparation for your deposition. We hear from experts such as defense attorney Ryan Deady (of Barton Gilman, LLP) as well as Dr. Ilene Brenner, author of 'How to Survive a Medical Malpractice Lawsuit.' As always, you'll hear from physicians about their experiences as well. (Note: this is not concrete legal advice -- you need your lawyer for that. This is meant as a general guide to the process and what you might expect, but just like in medicine, every legal case is unique.) More about Dr. Pensa: doctorsandlitigation.com PRIOR TO DEPOSITION: In addition to obtaining books and discussing with your attorney, you may find these points helpful. This is not comprehensive, but it's a start. 1) Study your chart well, and any other documents provided to you by your attorney. 2) Discuss whether to do any research about the medicine in question with your attorney -- there are pros and cons to this. 3) Know the weak spots in your case and your charting, and how you will articulate your thoughts about them 4) Practice answering difficult questions in a direct and succinct manner, avoiding providing extraneous information. 5) Discuss with your attorney how to handle questions about co-defendants. In general, avoid finger-pointing. 6) Know your 'arrows' and when to fire them (i.e., if you have a 'slam dunk' in your defense)--this is the exception to the 'don't explain too much' strategy. Your attorney will help you identify these points and how to get them into your testimony. 7) Plan for the day itself: make sure you're not on call or post-overnight, know what sharp, professional outfit you will be wearing, know where to be and when -- and plan something fun and relaxing that evening to decompress after it's done. DURING DEPOSITION: 1) Pay attention to your attorney during the process -- they are with you for a reason. 2) Take your time answering questions; pause before speaking. 3) Do not answer any question until the question is complete. Do not interrupt or speak to fill in an awkward pause. 4) If a question has multiple parts or is confusing, ask the questioning attorney to break it down or rephrase it. Do not answer questions unless you know exactly what the question is. If the question seems out of 'left field' avoid over-explaining why it seems to be so. If you cannot answer the question as it's asked, say so and ask them to rephrase it. 5) Be aware of verbal traps such as double negatives, hypotheticals, overly vague questions or generalizations, or questions posed after a long series of statements or data. 6) If you don't remember or don't know, just say you don't remember or you don't know. Don't guess, and don't say anything you only 'think' you remember. Stick to what you're sure of. 7) Do not agree to calling any text, journal or article "authoritative". It's not. 8) You should look at hard copies of the chart or labs when asked direct questions about them -- but then stop flipping through the chart and pay attention to the next question. Do not direct their attention to any other parts of the chart or try to educate them. 9) Take a break whenever you need one. Refresh, recharge, and speak with your attorney in private. It's a long day. 10) When it ends, get far away from the building and into a safe space before you talk to your attorney about what went on in there. You never know who's listening, and anything they observe is fair game, even if it's not in the transcript. | 44m 39s | ||||||
| 10/30/19 | ![]() Experts and Testiliars: Part One | In part one of this look at medical experts in malpractice litigation, we hear the story of Dr. M, a physician embroiled in a dramatic legal battle after the death of a patient, and his efforts to bring the medical expert in his case to justice. We speak more with Dr. Louise Andrew, MD JD, about the necessity and ethics of medical expert testimony, and hear the voices of physicians who have been defendants, plaintiffs, and experts themselves. And we examine the psychological impact that unethical, exaggerated, or misleading expert testimony has on defendant physicians, including the story of a physician who died by suicide after being accused of witness tampering. More about Dr. Pensa can be found at www.doctorsandlitigation.com. | 47m 33s | ||||||
| 12/14/19 | ![]() Experts and Testiliars: Part Two | In Part Two of 'Experts and Testiliars' we continue to explore the world of unethical medical expert witnesses and their impact on defendants and the litigation system. You'll hear a presentation of Dr. Pensa's own malpractice case, as well as verbatim expert witness testimony from her second trial (acted out brilliantly by Dr. Anand Swaminathan as the plaintiff's expert). We also discuss what physicians can do to help attorneys identify and disempower 'testiliars' during litigation, what 'standard of care' actually means, and what recourse physicians can take after their case is completed if they feel they have been wronged by an unethical expert. Louise Andrew MD JD, Greg Henry MD, and Jeff Segal MD JD add their expertise. More about Dr. Pensa can be found at doctorsandlitigation.com. | 1h 05m 39s | ||||||
| 1/20/20 | ![]() When Litigation Hits Home: Relationships and Litigation Stress | "Every member of the family is involved in a lawsuit." -Dr Greg Henry Litigation often has a spillover effect on spouses/partners and families, whether or not the defendant physician acknowledges it. In this episode, I interview Dr. Claire Nicogossian, PsyD, a psychologist and clinical instructor in the Department of Psychiatry and Human Behavior at Brown University (www.MomsWellBeing.com) We discuss common struggles that couples and families face during litigation, how to stay connected and communicative, and how to speak with children about litigation. Dr. Nicogossian describes some of the Gottman Institute's longitudinal research on couples, including the 'Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse' in relationships that predict divorce/relationship failure (Criticism, Contempt, Stonewalling, and Defensiveness). She offers some practical advice, reassurance, and insight. Drs. Paccione, Andrew, and Henry, introduced in previous episodes, continue to offer their added insights. More about Dr. Pensa can be found at doctorsandlitigation.com. | 53m 56s | ||||||
| 3/13/20 | ![]() Trial and Settlement | In this episode, we're on the road to trial -- and talking about settlement opportunities that may come up along the way. Who makes the decisions about going to trial vs offering/accepting a settlement? What factors go into those decisions? What's a consent to settle agreement -- and what's the hammer clause that comes with it? If you're definitely headed to trial, how do you prepare -- practically and psychologically? And what can happen if there's a verdict against you and a judgment that exceeds your policy limits? We'll be hearing from two defense attorneys, Dr. William Sullivan (a practicing physician and attorney, who has been a defendant himself) as well as Douglas Williams, Esq, a medical malpractice defense attorney in Baton Rouge, LA, with over 30 years of experience. We'll also hear the story of one physician's case as it progresses from medical encounter all the way to trial. More about Dr. Pensa and her work can be found at doctorsandlitigation.com | 1h 23m 58s | ||||||
| 4/5/20 | ![]() Special Episode: Litigation Risk and COVID-19 | Many listeners have sent in questions about litigation in this new era of COVID-19. They are infuriated after seeing advertisements from plaintiff's attorney firms already soliciting COVID-19 cases, while physicians and other front line health care providers risk our lives and the health of our families in an unprecedented crisis --when litigation should be the last thing we have to worry about. Physicians now wonder how protected will they be if their usual practice is disrupted, and there are delays in diagnosis or treatment. Or what if we send a patient with suspected COVID-19 home when they are stable, but they later worsen or die due to the unpredictability of this horrible virus? What if we are forced to ration ventilators or other scarce resources? Or if we are asked to practice outside our usual scope -- if an OB-Gyn is now working on the medicine floors, or a general internist is now working in the ICU, and there is an adverse event in that setting? In this episode, Dr Pensa speaks with two malpractice defense attorneys about some general principles, and gets some reassurance. Some states are adopting emergency measures that provide practitioners with additional protection, changing the standard for civil cases to 'gross negligence or willful misconduct'. But this does not mean the provider has blanket immunity from being sued at all. Lawsuits might still be filed that will need to be defended, even with this new standard (though likely fewer cases will be brought forth, because they will be much harder for plaintiffs to prevail). Because lawsuits can still be filed, and there are large costs associated with defending them from the start, it is imperative that you are properly insured for however your practice changes in this pandemic. We discuss considerations for retirees and volunteers, physicians who are changing the manner in which they see patients, and the importance of documenting circumstances in general. More about Dr. Pensa: doctorsandlitigation.com | 32m 32s | ||||||
| 4/11/22 | ![]() Special Episode: The RaDonda Vaught Case | In this special episode, Dr. Pensa has a conversation with attorney T. Marc Calvert about the criminal trial of RaDonda Vaught, a Vanderbilt nurse who was found guilty of negligent homicide due to a medication error. Attorney Calvert has specialized in medical malpractice defense for over thirty years, and brings a nuanced perspective to a case which has rocked the medical world since the verdict in March 2022. Some of the questions we discuss: Will we see more criminalization of adverse events and medical error after this trial? Will malpractice insurance cover the costs of a criminal defense? What is the institutions's role in this error, and why are they not bearing more responsibility? What might happen to safety culture and the self-disclosure of error in the wake of this verdict? What lessons should we take away from this terrible and tragic event? | 53m 41s | ||||||
| 5/10/23 | ![]() Life After Litigation: Part One | Although you might expect life to go back to 'normal' as soon as the litigation process is complete, it often doesn't work that way. Lingering distress, if left unaddressed, can lead to behaviors like over-documenting or over-testing, avoidance of certain procedures or case types, PTSD symptoms, disillusionment, burnout, and career abandonment. In part one of 'Life After Litigation', Dr. Gita Pensa speaks with Tracy Sanson MD, Stacia Dearmin MD, and Marge Paccione, PhD, about their insights. | 24m 09s | ||||||
| 2/8/24 | ![]() Life After Litigation: Part Two | Dr. Pensa tells the story of her own life after litigation in an interview with Dr. Mel Herbert. This is the last episode of Season One. But follow along -- a new season is in the works! We'll talk about topics at the intersection of litigation, coaching, risk, and medicine -- and how to stay human through all of it. | 52m 00s | ||||||
| 3/9/24 | ![]() The EMR Audit Trail: Friend and Foe | In this first episode of Season 2, Dr. Pensa talks with attorney Saira Pasha, an EMR audit trail expert. What else besides the words in your chart does your electronic medical record track? Are 'secure messages' discoverable? (Spoiler: yes, they can be!) How can an audit trail help your case -- or hurt it? How does an audit trail expert 'read between the lines' of who's looking at what entries in the record, and when, and for how long? Take home points: The EMR creates a trail that tracks not only your substantive words on the chart, but evidence of all the people who were in a given chart, at what time, looking at what, for how many seconds or minutes, what they did next in the chart, whether a template or smart phrase was deployed. It tracks and times views, edits, additions, deletions, changes, and any printing or searches. These are not part of the initial requested 'medical record,' but can be obtained through the request of an EMR audit trail. The timing of changes to the record can imply that charting was slanted in a way to be defensive or misleading (or at least, a plaintiff’s attorney is going to try to do that, even if your intention was well-meaning.) Attorneys may infer the importance of a part of the record by seeing how many people were in a chart at a given time, and what they were all looking at, for how long. This information can act like a big red arrow pointing at a specific medication order or radiology result, for example, even if there is no explicit mention of it in anyone's notes. Secure messages, FYI's, Best Practice Advisories, and other prompts are all discoverable (with a little sleuthing) as part of an EMR audit within a few years of their appearance in the chart. If you cosign notes using a template that suggests you did a substantive review of another clinician's care (such as an APP or midwife), be mindful of the fact that the EMR tracks how long you spent in that note, or reviewing that patient's chart or imaging. Dr. Pensa references this 2021 case in which efforts to alter EMR records were exposed. More about Dr. Pensa and how to contact her can be found at doctorsandlitigation.com. | 29m 59s | ||||||
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