8.11: Outside Conversations with Daniela Papi-Thornton - Why Systems Work Needs the Sacred
From Find The Outside by Tim Merry & Tuesday Rivera
March 24, 2026 · 53 min · Season 8 · Episode 11
About this episode
Tuesday Rivera and Daniela Papi-Thornton discuss the intersection of systems change, leadership, and the sacred feminine.
In this thought-provoking cross-post conversation, Tuesday sits down with Daniela Papi-Thornton to explore what happens when systems change, leadership, and the sacred feminine collide. Together, they question traditional leadership models that privilege logic over intuition and control over connection - and examine why personal transformation is inseparable from the systemic change our world is calling for. Drawing on her work in education and social innovation, Daniela invites listeners to rethink leadership, reconnect with inner wisdom, and remember that meaningful change starts from within. Resources: Meet Daniela Papi Thornton Visit Daniela on Substack Systems. Change. Educators. Unite. Systems-led Leadership Unstuck Club Positive Deviants Cohort Learn more about Shared Work Donella Meadows - “ Leverage Points: Places to Intervene in a System ” Practices that Daniela is leaving you with : Find a place (hallway, walk between your house and car) and allow that to become your alignment space. Every time you walk that space, allow yourself to realign. Ask for help and trust that it is there. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
People in this episode
Host: Tuesday Rivera
Guest: Daniela Papi-Thornton
Topics covered
- systems change
- leadership
- sacred feminine
- personal transformation
- education
- social innovation
Keywords
- systems change
- leadership models
- sacred feminine
- personal transformation
- education
- social innovation
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Acast
Books & works: Leverage Points: Places to Intervene in a System
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