8.12: Sh*t’s Weird - Clarity, Doubt, and Doing the Next Right Thing

About this episode

Tim and Tues discuss navigating uncertainty and taking action in complex times with insights from Zaid Hassan and Sommer Sibilly-Brown.

In a world that feels increasingly unpredictable, how do we know what’s ours to do? In this episode, Tim and Tues reflect on recent conversations with Zaid Hassan and Sommer Sibilly-Brown - two leaders taking bold, values-driven action in complex times. Together, they explore the tension between clarity and doubt, the limits of strategy in a rapidly changing world, and why action - not perfection - is what moves things forward. From climate anxiety to leadership fatigue, this conversation doesn’t shy away from the weight of the moment. But it also offers something grounding: a reminder that we don’t need all the answers to begin. Sometimes, it’s about trusting what’s clear, noticing what’s habitual, and doing the next right thing in front of us. Resources: Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels: Website: www.findtheoutside.com   Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside   LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside Connect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com Meet Zaid Hassan   Listen to the episode with Zaid Meet Sommer Sibilly-Brown Listen to the episode with Sommer Neil deGrasse Tyson – Host of Cosmos…

People in this episode

Hosts: Tim Merry, Tuesday Rivera

Guests: Zaid Hassan, Sommer Sibilly-Brown

Topics covered

• clarity
• doubt
• leadership
• action
• climate anxiety
• values-driven action

Keywords

• clarity
• doubt
• leadership fatigue
• action
• climate anxiety
• values-driven
• complex times

Mentioned in this episode

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Books & works: The Winter Turns to Spring

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