Finding Brave

Disruption is often viewed as something to avoid or manage. But what if it could become one of the most effective catalysts for meaningful change? In this episode of Finding Brave, I sit down with Dr. Patrick Leddin to unpack why disruption is not the enemy many of us believe it to be, and how learning to work with it can truly transform our lives and careers. Dr. Patrick Leddin is a former Airborne Ranger infantry officer, entrepreneur, global keynote speaker, and longtime Vanderbilt University faculty member whose research focuses on how leaders and organizations can thrive through disruption. He is also the host of The Disruption Lab with Patrick Leddin, PhD, and the co-author, with James Patterson, of the New York Times bestselling book Disrupt Everything―and Win. Drawing on years of research and conversations with leaders across industries, Patrick shares what he's learned about embracing change and using disruption as a force for good. In our conversation, Patrick shares what he's hearing from leaders as AI reshapes organizations and creates new opportunities and uncertainties. Through research, business case studies, and his own experiences in the military and the business world, he explores what it means to thrive in ambiguity when the rules are being rewritten in real time. He explains why the most disruptive thing you can do sometimes is say "no" to change and why taking time to discern the right response can make all the difference when facing uncertainty. He also shares insights on navigating career disruption in the era of AI-driven change, developing the strengths of a Positive Disrupter, and building teams that can adapt when the future feels uncertain. Listen in for a refreshing and uplifting perspective on embracing disruption and what happens when you view it as an invitation to rethink what's possible. Key Points From This Episode: Introduction to Dr. Patrick Leddin and the growing impact of disruption and AI. [00:51] How leaders are approaching AI and navigating uncertainty. [04:17] The Vanderbilt class that led to Disrupt Everything―and Win. [08:44] James Patterson's career journey and the power of positive disruption. [10:04] How Tractor Supply Company leveraged disruption to drive innovation and growth. [14:22] Lessons from Patrick's military experience and thriving in ambiguity. [16:35] Why emotions and discernment matter when responding to disruption. [20:18] Understanding the different roles people can play during disruption, and why the most disruptive thing you can do sometimes is say "no" to change. [28:21] How to navigate career disruption and AI-driven change. [36:54] Positive Disrupter strengths and building teams that embrace change. [43:54] For More Information: Dr. Patrick Leddin Dr. Patrick Leddin on LinkedIn Dr. Patrick Leddin on Instagram Dr. Patrick Leddin on YouTube Links Mentioned in Today's Episode: Dr. Patrick Leddin's podcast, The Disruption Lab with Patrick Leddin, PhD Dr. Patrick Leddin and James Patterson's book, Disrupt Everything―and Win Dr. Patrick Leddin's book The 5 Week Leadership Challenge Kathy's appearance on Patrick's Podcast, The Disruption Lab, Disrupt Career Reinvention with Forbes Contributor Kathy Caprino Kathy's Forbes article featuring Dr. Leddin and James Patterson - World Business Forum Experts Offer Strategies For Navigating Change ——————— READY FOR A BREAKTHROUGH TO ACHIEVE MORE SUCCESS, IMPACT AND FULFILLMENT IN YOUR CAREER & LEADERSHIP TODAY? Work with Kathy and get hands-on, transformative CAREER & LEADERSHIP GROWTH COACHING SUPPORT today! 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Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Resources Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment Kathy's 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz ——————— Sponsor Highlight I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today! Audible Offer Amazon Music Offer Quotes: "One thing that has been helpful to me personally, whether it was starting a business and running a business or being in the military, was the ability to thrive in ambiguity." — Dr. Patrick Leddin [0:16:49] "The disruptions that a lot of people are running into in their lives right now, there isn't necessarily a playbook for it, there aren't standard procedures, and the rules are being rewritten almost in real time." — Dr. Patrick Leddin [0:20:34] "Disruption sometimes blows things up and breaks stuff, and I don't like that. Nobody really does. But maybe it's fertile ground for something new and different." — Dr. Patrick Leddin [0:21:02] "Sometimes the most disruptive thing you can do is go after change. Sometimes the most disruptive thing you can do is chase stability. When everybody else is chasing change, you say no." — Dr. Patrick Leddin [0:30:18] "We have the ability, unlike any other animal in the animal kingdom, to dream up this amazing future, and then begin to manifest." — Dr. Patrick Leddin [0:46:44] "Disruption is going to come at you, but you're wired to handle it." — Dr. Patrick Leddin [0:47:34] Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube! Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please subscribe, leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

What if many of the behaviors we dismiss as laziness or "not getting it together" are actually signs that someone's brain works differently? In this episode of Finding Brave, Kathy Caprino welcomes Kristen Pressner, a trailblazing people leader helping reshape conversations around neurodiversity, ADHD, and human potential. As Chief People Officer for prominent multinational, Nokia, Kristen is a sought-after voice on equity and inclusion and regularly appears on international "Top HR Influencer" lists. Following the global impact of her TEDx talk, Are you biased? I am, which challenged audiences to confront unconscious bias with greater honesty and self-awareness, Kristen returned to the TEDx stage with a new question: Why is it that so many people just 'can't get it together'? The talk explores how neurodivergent traits are often misunderstood and has sparked conversations across families, workplaces, and the ADHD community. It also led to Kristen joining the World Economic Forum's Global Brain Economy Initiative, launched at Davos. In this conversation, Kristen shares how her family's experiences with ADHD transformed the way she understands motivation, behavior, and potential. She explains why many neurodivergent traits are misunderstood as character flaws and how traditional expectations can unintentionally create shame. Kristen also unpacks the biological differences between neurotypical and ADHD brains, including the role dopamine plays in focus and action, and how to build neuro-inclusive workplaces that help people thrive. Additionally, Kristen highlights the extraordinary strengths that often accompany neurodivergence, from creativity and innovation to future thinking and problem-solving. Tune in for a powerful conversation about neurodiversity, leadership, and creating a more brain-friendly world! Key Points From This Episode: Introducing Kristen Pressner, her TEDx talks, and her revelations around unconscious bias as an HR leader. [02:02] How the pandemic exposed hidden struggles with ADHD and neurodivergence within Kristen's family. [08:45] Diagnostic criteria, why ADHD is often misunderstood, and how neurodivergence exists on a broader spectrum than many realize. [12:15] Biological differences between neurotypical and ADHD brains, and why different brains need different strategies to thrive. [15:07] The necessary conditions for focus and productivity in ADHD minds: challenging, novel, fun, or do-or-die urgent. [20:23] Reframing "hard" and "easy" tasks and recognizing the unique strengths linked to neurodivergence. [22:50] How reducing shame and building brain-friendly conditions helped Kristen's family move from surviving to thriving. [23:57] Kristen's advice for parents: reducing shame, recognizing strengths, and helping neurodivergent kids thrive. [31:33] Her vision for more flexible, neuro-inclusive workplaces that help people thrive. [35:09] Where to learn more about Kristen's work and why spreading awareness around neurodiversity matters. [40:19] For More Information: Kristen Pressner Kristen Pressner on LinkedIn Kristen Pressner on Instagram Kristen Pressner on Facebook Kristen Pressner on X Kristen Pressner on TikTok Be a Brain Friend TEDx on Instagram Be a Brain Friend TEDx on Facebook Links Mentioned in Today's Episode: Kristen's TEDx talk, Why is it that so many people just 'can't get it together'? Kristen's TEDx talk on unconscious bias, Are you biased? I am HR Leaders Podcast with Chris Rainey, How To Create a Neurodiversity-Friendly Workplace LinkedIn Post, The #1 Skill in the Age of AI (It's not what you think) Direct link to free Neurodiversity Learning Pathway The World Economic Forum's Global Brain Economy Initiative ——————— Ready to Take Your Professional Life and Leadership to the Next Level FAST? 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Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz ——————— Sponsor Highlight I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today! Audible Offer Amazon Music Offer Quotes: "I thought ADHD was nine-year-old boys bouncing off the wall, and that isn't how it manifested in my house at all." — Kristen Pressner [0:14:11] "How it manifested in my house is [through] things that most of us would call character flaws: not getting it together, running around looking for your keys—not adulting." — Kristen Pressner [0:14:18] "I saw all this potential in my family, and then all of this appeared to me to be laziness, not giving a hoot, not trying, not applying themselves, and that's character flaws." — Kristen Pressner [0:14:49] "I have wind at my back, because the world was made for me, and they've got invisible wind in their face, because it wasn't made for them." — Kristen Pressner [0:19:58] "It feels like they're making easy things really hard. [But they] make hard things look really easy, like connecting dots others wouldn't connect, or anticipating the future in ways I couldn't do." — Kristen Pressner [0:23:11] "Our research shows that the accommodations in the workplace that enable someone to be much more effective cost less than 500 bucks. No one's asking to work from Fiji." — Kristen Pressner [0:37:36] Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube! Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Protecting your ideas is a critical step for attracting excellent aligned investors. In this episode of Finding Brave, I sit down with intellectual property expert and attorney David Postolski, senior partner at Gearhart Law, to demystify what it really takes to secure funding and safeguard innovation. Drawing on his extensive experience helping inventors, entrepreneurs, and creative professionals, David shares how a strong IP strategy serves as both protection and proof of your business's credibility. A registered patent attorney and professor at Temple University, Parsons School of Design, and Radzyner Law School, David teaches emerging leaders how to navigate intellectual property, ethics, and regulation in today's innovation economy. He is also the author of several books, including Marketing Your Invention, Product, or Journey and IP Strategies for Medical Device Technologies: Be Your Own Incubator. His work spans patents, trademarks, copyrights, and trade secrets, all of which are essential tools for creators seeking to turn ideas into sustainable businesses. In this in-depth conversation, David unpacks how startups can strengthen investor confidence through IP, what to watch for when choosing partners or consultants, and why skipping early legal groundwork often leads to costly setbacks. He shares a client story that shows how clear agreements and solid contracts are as critical as creativity when launching a brand, and explains that taking these steps early not only prevents legal issues but also builds a foundation of trust with investors and collaborators. From patents and trademarks to investor readiness and due diligence, this episode offers a practical roadmap for anyone turning ideas into impact. Tune in to hear David's vital insights on protecting your ideas and attracting investors! Key Highlights From This Episode: An introduction to David Postolski, the four main forms of intellectual property, and why investors see them as key assets. [03:30] David's journey into IP law and how his early experiences shaped his career path. [06:34] Typical clients and the common challenges inventors and startups face when launching ideas. [09:19] Why choosing the right partners and advisors can make or break your business. [12:45] The high cost of skipping clearance searches and the risks of ignoring trademarks. [14:48] Why researching investors and tailoring your pitch is essential before seeking funding. [18:24] The importance of spending strategically and aligning every cost with ROI. [21:59] A costly lesson: a startup that almost lost logo ownership by skipping a simple contract. [25:05] Key lessons for founders on protecting ideas and preparing for investment success. [27:39] How to join the Entrepreneurial Strategy Series and connect with the Gearhart Law community. [35:06] For More Information: Gearhart Law David Postolski on LinkedIn David Postolski on Instagram David Postolski on X Links Mentioned in Today's Episode: David's latest book, Marketing Your Invention, Product, or Journey David's book on medical device legislation, IP Strategies for Medical Device Technologies: Be Your Own Incubator David's book on employee contracts, Employment Contracts and Agreements: A Guide for Corporate Counsel Gearhart Law Events Gearhart Law's Entrepreneurial Strategy Series Finding Brave Episode 80, with David Postolski, What Entrepreneurs Need to Understand to Protect Their Intellectual Property ——————— Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today! In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here. If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible. Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz Kathy's Speaking programs and Media/Press work ——————— Sponsor Highlight I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today! Audible Offer Amazon Music Offer Quotes: "In my world, it is best to have at least one of the four forms of intellectual property. The four forms [of intellectual property] are: patents, trademarks, copyrights, and trade secrets." — @davidpostolski [0:03:45] "At the end of the day, [investors] want to know that they are investing in not just you as a person, but your registered form of intellectual property; they want to know that you went through a process and were awarded a federal right in patent, trademark, or copyright." — @davidpostolski [0:04:29] "You have to have a science background in order to be a patent attorney. — I have a chemistry degree. I also have degrees in computer science. I was going to make the best of this and do as much as I possibly can to be an IP attorney. There [aren't] many of us, actually." — @davidpostolski [0:08:25] "We make it our business to help our clients and introduce them to people that are also startup and entrepreneurial friendly, because it's nasty out there." — @davidpostolski [0:12:45] "Yes, it costs money to get clearance. But it costs more money not to get clearance and to proceed with the name, and then potentially be sued for infringement or something like that." — @davidpostolski [0:16:08] "Sometimes not spending money means you're going to spend triple later. That's what we're always trying to avoid." — @davidpostolski [0:27:32] Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube! Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

On the surface, you may look like the model employee, partner, or friend: always dependable, always agreeable. But beneath the surface, you may be carrying a lifetime of survival strategies that keep you invisible in your own life. This is the story Dr. Ingrid Clayton knows both personally and professionally, and it's the story she helps so many of us begin to rewrite. Dr. Ingrid Clayton is a licensed clinical psychologist with advanced degrees in transpersonal and clinical psychology. She has maintained a thriving private practice for more than fifteen years and writes the popular Psychology Today blog, Emotional Sobriety, which has been read by over a million people. Her latest book, FAWNING: Why the Need to Please Makes Us Lose Ourselves—and How to Find Our Way Back, unpacks the subtle but profound ways we abandon ourselves by prioritizing others' approval. In our conversation, Ingrid reflects on her own experience as a childhood trauma survivor and how it revealed the fawning response: the instinct to please and appease in order to stay safe. Unlike fight, flight, or freeze, fawning resembles caretaking, compliance, and endless yeses, but it often leaves us feeling resentful and disconnected from our own needs. She explains how this adaptation becomes ingrained in the nervous system, how it shapes our relationships and careers, and why breaking the cycle can feel like stepping into the firing line. Yet within that discomfort lies the path to healing. Ingrid offers tangible practices for reclaiming your agency: pausing before you agree, noticing where resentment signals self-abandonment, and daring to let your voice be heard even when it shakes. Listen in to discover how to stop surviving on others' terms and begin living on your own! Key Highlights From This Episode: An introduction to Dr. Ingrid Clayton and her new book on fawning. [02:17] Ingrid's personal story of childhood trauma and survival. [04:40] Defining the fawning response and how it differs from fight, flight, or freeze. [06:19] The spectrum of trauma responses and how conditioning reinforces fawning. [12:16] Signs of an ongoing fawning trauma response and why conflict feels unsafe. [15:02] How fawning embeds in the nervous system and what it takes to heal. [19:59] What happens in the body during the fawning trauma response. [22:22] Fawning behaviors and skills, where they originate, and why they're so common. [26:43] Practical grounding tools to restore safety through your body, senses, and curiosity. [32:05] How to get in touch with a psychologist in your area and find Dr. Clayton online. [37:50] For More Information: Dr. Ingrid Clayton Dr. Ingrid Clayton on Instagram Dr. Ingrid Clayton on Facebook Dr. Ingrid Clayton on YouTube Dr. Ingrid Clayton on TikTok Links Mentioned in Today's Episode: Check out Dr. Ingrid Clayton's new book FAWNING: Why the Need to Please Makes Us Lose Ourselves—and How to Find Our Way Back, and her Emotional Sobriety blog. Explore Dr. Clayton's other titles, Believing Me: Healing from Narcissistic Abuse and Complex Trauma, and Recovering Spirituality: Achieving Emotional Sobriety in Your Spiritual Practice. Listen to Kathy's interview with Andre Sólo, Being Highly Sensitive Is a Superpower — Embrace and Leverage it. Read more about trauma and the nervous system in The Body Keeps the Score. Find a psychologist in your area with Psychology Today's nationwide directory ——————— Join Kathy starting October 15, 2025, in her brand new monthly "The Most Powerful You" Group Coaching Program! 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And don't forget to leverage Kathy Caprino AI – my digital career coaching tool – for instant access to answers and guidance about your most pressing career and leadership growth challenges. ——————— Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today! In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here. If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible. Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz ——————— Sponsor Highlight I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today! Audible Offer Amazon Music Offer Quotes: "A lot of what I call fawners, the people [who] have this long-term experience of a chronic fawning response. — We don't really know where fawning ends and where we begin. We don't really have conscious agency around our caretaking or appeasing. It just happens so reflexively all the time." — Dr. Ingrid Clayton [0:07:38] "Even though [the fawn response is] a genius adaptation, even though it keeps us safe, even though I'm grateful for it, it causes us to self-abandon at the same time. Because, — we're having to privilege and prioritize our external environment over who we are." — Dr. Ingrid Clayton [0:08:07] "I was repeating these dynamics over and over, not knowing that one part of that is the fact that I was living in survival mode in a chronic fawn response, and that leads to trauma reenactment." — Dr. Ingrid Clayton [0:09:11] "This is some of the hardest, bravest work I've ever had to do, and I've ever invited my clients to do." — Dr. Ingrid Clayton [0:18:01] "If you think about childhood, we need our caregivers longer than any other species, and it truly is life or death. You cannot essentially believe that your caregiver is a monster — so you have to find a way to stay alive in this system, which means [that], ultimately, the child goes 'It must be me.'" — Dr. Ingrid Clayton [0:27:52] "I'm definitely not trying to pathologize us for having a trauma response, or living [for] there long past when we needed to. This is normal. This is healthy. This is what it means to have a body, AND we don't want to live 24/7 in survival mode." — Dr. Ingrid Clayton [0:31:26] Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube! Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Uncertainty has become the defining condition of our time, yet most of us still struggle to find our footing in it. What if you could reframe change itself as a source of strength? Today on Finding Brave, we're joined by global change advisor, futurist, and author April Rinne to uncover how to cultivate a "flux mindset" and discover the hidden opportunities within constant change. April, a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader and one of Forbes' 50 Leading Female Futurists, is a trusted advisor to organizations from Airbnb and Nike to the World Bank. She is the author of Flux: 8 Superpowers for Thriving in Constant Change, a book that helps readers reimagine leadership, success, and well-being through eight powerful practices. Grounded in her global career and shaped by personal tragedy, April's work invites us to step into uncertainty with greater courage, compassion, and clarity. In this conversation, April reflects on her own journey with flux, beginning with the sudden loss of her parents at age 20 and the lessons she learned from rebuilding a life turned upside down. She explains how journaling, curiosity, and cultural wisdom shaped her approach, and why letting go of what no longer serves us can open space for growth and freedom. Far from being quick fixes, the "flux superpowers" are daily practices that help us navigate both personal and professional uncertainty. April also offers insight into what it really means to be a futurist: blending research with lived experience and intuition to recognize patterns and possibilities. She invites us to see change not as something to fear but as the opportunity of a lifetime to evolve how we live and lead. If you're ready to shift your relationship with uncertainty and explore new ways to design your future, this episode will leave you both grounded and inspired! Key Highlights From This Episode: Introduction to April Rinne and the concept of a flux mindset. [02:07] Why Flux was not a pandemic book, but became even more relevant during it. [05:47] The personal tragedy that shaped April's lifelong relationship with change. [09:04] Learning from global cultures and wisdom traditions about navigating uncertainty. [10:29] The eight "flux superpowers" as daily practices, not quick fixes. [17:13] Building a portfolio career as an alternative to the career ladder. [25:45] The role of curiosity, journaling, and self-reflection in adapting to flux. [26:53] What it really means to be a futurist: blending research, intuition, and pattern recognition. [32:59] Seeing change as the opportunity of a lifetime to reshape how we live and lead. [39:50] For More Information: April RinneApril Rinne on LinkedInApril Rinne on FacebookApril Rinne on XApril Rinne on Instagram READY FOR A HUGE PERSONAL SHIFT TO ACHIEVE MORE SUCCESS, IMPACT, AND FULFILLMENT IN YOUR CAREER THIS YEAR? Work with Kathy and get hands-on, transformative CAREER & LEADERSHIP GROWTH COACHING SUPPORT today! Are you ready for a big positive shift in how you're working and what you're achieving today in your career? Let's make that happen for you! In my 6-session Career & Leadership Breakthrough 1:1 coaching program, I help professionals create and achieve what they want most, which includes more confidence, impact, advancement, financial reward, and fulfillment. I've worked with over 20,000 professionals across 6 continents, and before that, I served as a therapist, and before that, I was a corporate VP, managing multi-million dollar budgets and global initiatives. I bring all of that experience to our work together, helping you build a new chapter that aligns with who you really are and what you're ready to create. Check out kathycaprino.com/careerbreakthru and I hope you'll register now. And to join me for a free 20-minute Career Consultation, apply now on my Coaching Page. I'd love to support you this month and beyond!! And don't forget to leverage Kathy Caprino AI – my digital career coaching tool – for instant access to answers and guidance about your most pressing career and leadership growth challenges. ——————— Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today! In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here. If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible. Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz ——————— Sponsor Highlight I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today! Audible Offer Amazon Music Offer Quotes: "There is more change, uncertainty, unknown, flux. There's going to be more flux in the world every year that passes, not less." — @aprilrinne [0:06:24] "These are not superpowers of the kind that will instantly make you Superwoman. They're not birthright gifts. These don't drop from the sky. These are practices that we have to practice every day." — @aprilrinne [0:17:21] "I had to practice trusting others, I had to practice vulnerability. I had to practice lots of things that ended up in Flux, in the book, as superpowers. But I certainly didn't have those on day one." — @aprilrinne [0:24:21] "We are all works in progress, and no sooner than you think you're good at one of [these skills], some other change is going to happen, and it's going to humble you." — @aprilrinne [0:24:53] "Curiosity will beat certainty any day." — @aprilrinne [0:27:06] "When you journal — you're really cultivating a relationship with yourself and your self-awareness and your intuition." — @aprilrinne [0:31:05] Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube! Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

Are your thoughts and actions regularly dictated by a harsh inner critic? Do you find yourself filled with feelings of unworthiness and that you are undeserving of love? If so, you may well be dealing with the symptoms of core shame. Our guest, David Jurasek, knows firsthand the devastating impact shame can have on your life and relationships, and he joins us today to shed light on this urgent topic. Drawing on his 25 years of experience as a mentor and therapist, David's work is defined by his belief that your biggest source of sabotage is driven by core shame. He is the founder of Powerful and Loving, a community helping men and boys become powerful leaders who cultivate thriving relationships. Additionally, he is the author of My Heart Is A Muscle, a book that he wrote with the hopes of moving 500 men in the deepest way possible. In today's conversation, we unpack the concept of core shame, where it tends to stem from, the devastating impact it can have on our lives, and how we can begin to release and heal from it. David opens up about the role that shame played in his life and explains why identifying its root cause is so important. We explore how our shame-based society prevents us from looking inward and the power of healthy relationships and community in helping us heal from shame. Our conversation also investigates the role of shame in our relationships and how we can break patterns of blame and criticism, before exploring how to go about dethroning your inner critic, followed by simple and effective techniques to help you process and let go of shame. Today's episode is filled with profound insights and will give you a newfound understanding of the complexities of shame and its impact. We hope you'll join us for a thought-provoking and empowering conversation on healing from shame and the power of love and community. Key Highlights From This Episode: Unpacking the concept of core shame, the impact of seeing yourself as unworthy or unlovable, and how this influences our lives and behavior. [06:40] Why it's so important to understand where your shame comes from and what it's attached to. [12:10] David's vulnerable account of how shame impacted him, and how the kindness of a friend, who had confronted his own core shame, altered David's life. [21:23] The symptoms of shame, why most people don't realize they are carrying core shame, and why a shame-based society doesn't want us to look internally. [26:13] How patriarchal, racist, and capitalist systems have created a shame-based society, and what David has learned from studying healthy communities. [30:17] Understanding how shame can show up in relationships; how we project our shame onto loved ones; and what it looks like to unlearn shame and your unique conditioning. [33:40] Dethroning your inner critic and how this shifts your perspective; the physiological effects of releasing shame; effective and accessible techniques for letting go of shame. [39:37] The nuances of shame and how interrogating it can teach us powerful lessons about our natural gifts. [49:40] Find out where you can learn more about David's work and get in touch. [55:47] For More Information: David Jurasek on LinkedIn David Jurasek on Instagram Powerful and LovingCritical Love Links Mentioned in Today's Episode: Check out David's book My Heart Is A Muscle ——————— Ready for a true Career Breakthrough? Are you ready for a BIG positive shift in how you're working and what you're capable of achieving today in your career and leadership? Let's work together and make that happen! While you might know me best as a podcast host and writer, a key focus in my work is career and leadership coaching and consulting for mid to high-level professionals around the globe. In my top-rated Career & Leadership Breakthrough coaching programs, I help people address root causes of their core challenges today, and move through those challenges to create what they want most, which includes more confidence, impact, recognition, advancement, financial reward, well-being, and fulfillment. I also help them close their existing power and confidence gaps and embrace their most exciting visions for the future, along with experiencing greater self-worth (sometimes for the very first time in their lives) so they can move forward to greater joy, reward and fulfillment In the past 18 years, I've worked with over 30,000 professionals across 6 continents. Before that, I served as a therapist, and prior to that, I was a corporate VP managing multi-million-dollar budgets and global initiatives. I leverage all of that experience to help professionals build an exciting new chapter of work to reach their highest and happiest potential in careers they love. For organizations looking for top-level career and leadership coaches to support the emerging and seasoned leaders in your workforce to expand their confidence and make a more positive impact, please feel free to contact me here. Check out my private coaching programs >> Kathy's Career & Leadership Growth Help. I hope you'll register now. I'd love to support you! ——————— Need some great podcast production support? Check out We Edit Podcasts! Hi, folks! Kathy here. So, are you thinking of launching a new podcast or have you been at it a while and recognize it's time for more or better production help to create the best podcast you can? 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Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz ——————— Sponsor Highlight I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today! Audible Offer Amazon Music Offer Quotes: "We all have shame. It's a question of what is your shame about? What is it attached to? What's the label?" — David Jurasek [0:14:28] "It's really hard to identify it and notice [shame] because it's so internal. It's who you think you are. You don't know your soul. But when you look deep, deep, deep down, you meet your shame. And your shame tries to tell you, this is who you are, trust me." — David Jurasek [0:18:34] "To un-shame, is to start to name it. And I think often in intimate relationships, it's so easy to project our shame on our partner on our kids." — David Jurasek [0:34:24] "It's confronting that voice inside and saying, 'Whoa, when did I make you the authority of my life? It must have been when I was a child, because I'm a 46-year-old adult now. You better sit the fuck down.'" — David Jurasek [0:38:48] "We need support because that shame is so sticky. It's like black tar, gunky stuff, it hides and it sticks." — David Jurasek [0:44:20] "I'm breaking the chains of the past. I'm healing society by releasing shame from my nervous system. So I don't recreate it. And I don't add to it and don't put it on other people. I think it's the most important thing we could ever do." — David Jurasek [0:45:04] Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube! Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. 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Too often, the traits we're taught to tone down are the very ones that can drive our boldest breakthroughs. In this powerful episode, we explore what it truly means to lead and live with wild courage. Dismantling conventional career advice, Jenny Wood champions a more audacious path to success, one built on traits long considered too disruptive or inappropriate to embrace. Jenny Wood is a New York Times bestselling author, speaker, and former Google executive who built one of the company's largest career development programs. Her new book, Wild Courage: Go After What You Want and Get It, dives into nine controversial traits, from reckless to bossy, that ambitious professionals can reclaim and reframe to be better leaders and reach their full potential. With a background in research at Harvard Business School and features in Forbes, HBR, and Bloomberg, Jenny brings both insight and irreverence to the table, along with a serious talent for cutting through the noise. Through stories both personal and professional, Jenny illustrates how fear of failure, uncertainty, and judgment often keeps us playing small. Whether it's chasing down a stranger on a subway (now her husband), asking a C-suite executive for mentorship, or launching a career-defining program at Google, she shows how reclaiming so-called negative traits like "shameless" or "reckless" can become a source of power and clarity. This episode is a candid, empowering reminder that growth begins on the edge of discomfort. Jenny shares tools to rewrite the internal stories that hold us back, and reframes boldness as a skill that can be practiced, not just a trait you're born with. If you're ready to stop waiting for permission and start leading with more courage in your career and life, this conversation is a must-listen! Key Highlights From This Episode: What inspired Wild Courage and the bold subway moment that changed Jenny's life. [04:35] How fear showed up again and again in Jenny's coaching with professionals. [07:41] Enacting wild courage and why it might be more challenging for certain groups. [11:50] The nine controversial traits of wild courage and how to reframe and reclaim them. [12:41] How the seeds were planted for wild courage in Jenny's childhood. [15:21] Ways that shame holds us back and tips for de-shaming your language. [19:45] A candid look at how overthinking fuels self-judgment and fear. [24:29] Tools and internal resources to reframe fear, shame, and self-doubt. [27:15] The reckless trait, why Jenny struggles with it, and how she's learned to embrace it. [32:01] Why we need to give ourselves permission to be selfish, reckless, and bossy. [36:53] For More Information: Jenny Wood Jenny Wood on LinkedIn Jenny Wood on InstagramJenny Wood on FacebookJenny Wood on Threads Jenny Wood on XWild Courage: Go After What You Want and Get It Links Mentioned in Today's Episode: Listen to Episode 271: How to Recognize and Release the Damaging Shame You Hold with David JurasekCheck out Kathy's conversation with Jordan Friedman in Episode 308: Powerful Stress Management Approaches Designed for Times Like These —————— FINDING BRAVE PODCAST AD FOR KATHY AND JORDAN'S CENTRAL PARK RETREAT DATE - JUNE 13, 2025 Join us June 13th, 2025 for a LIVE, calming in-person retreat in NYC's iconic Central Park - hosted by Kathy Caprino and Jordan Friedman Connect with Your Inner Calm on June 13th with Kathy and Jordan, in NYC's iconic Central Park I'm thrilled to announce an event that's truly special coming up on June 13th, designed for folks who would like a stress-reducing, calm and enlivening retreat experience in NYC's Central Park! For the first time, I'm teaming up with my dear friend and top stress management expert, Jordan Friedman (who I've had the honor of interviewing on my podcast twice now) to offer a live retreat and tour experience on June 13th in the heart of New York City's iconic Central Park. We'll start with an 2 and ½ -hour walking tour guided by Jordan (who is also a fabulous licensed New York City tour guide) of some of the most beautiful and relaxing spots in the park, followed by an energizing and supportive Q&A session, where Jordan and I will help you directly address and navigate some of the biggest stressors you're facing today — in your life, career, and family. We cannot wait to spend this special and meaningful time with you, surrounded by the nature, beauty, and deep calm of the urban oasis of Central Park. Spots are limited, so check out the details and register today at thestresscoach.com/central-park-retreat. Jordan and I would love to offer you this special experience on June 13th! ——————— READY FOR A HUGE PERSONAL SHIFT TO ACHIEVE MORE SUCCESS, IMPACT, AND FULFILLMENT IN YOUR CAREER THIS YEAR? Work with Kathy and get hands-on, transformative CAREER & LEADERSHIP GROWTH COACHING SUPPORT today! Are you ready for a big positive shift in how you're working and what you're achieving today in your career? Let's make that happen for you! In my 6-session Career & Leadership Breakthrough 1:1 coaching program, I help professionals create and achieve what they want most, which includes more confidence, impact, advancement, financial reward, and fulfillment. I've worked with over 20,000 professionals across 6 continents, and before that, I served as a therapist, and before that, I was a corporate VP, managing multi-million dollar budgets and global initiatives. I bring all of that experience to our work together, helping you build a new chapter that aligns with who you really are and what you're ready to create. Check out kathycaprino.com/careerbreakthru and I hope you'll register now. I'd love to support you this month and beyond!! And don't forget to leverage Kathy Caprino AI - my new digital career coaching tool - for instant access to answers and guidance about your most pressing career and leadership growth challenges. ——————— Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today! If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible. Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz ——————— Key Quotes from today's episode: "The same theme kept coming up when people felt stuck [and] that theme was fear: fear of failure, fear of uncertainty, and fear of judgment [from] others." — @itsjennywood [0:08:28] "You don't need permission from somebody else to do these things, to take these bold actions." — @itsjennywood [0:28:23] "That same bravery, that same wild courage that pushed me to make that ask, is the same wild courage that pushes me to make other asks or requests or bold moves, and then sometimes they work out!" — @itsjennywood [0:31:33] "It's better to learn from your mistakes than to waste time predicting the consequences of every possible decision or outcome. So, think fast and fearless, and if you're on the fence, do it." — @itsjennywood [0:32:29] "I have found that when I have been the most successful, it's [been] because I was willing to be on the edge of discomfort." — @itsjennywood [0:32:53] "There's this disconnect between what's real and what we feel, and that's why I say 'we have to give permission to ourselves to be selfish, to be reckless, to be bossy.'" — @itsjennywood [0:39:02] Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube! Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!

What if the key to career growth isn't doing more but recognizing what you've already achieved? Today on Finding Brave, we're joined by inspiring author and career coach Octavia Goredema to discover how true visibility begins with valuing yourself. Octavia is the CEO of Fire Memos, a passionate advocate for helping people unlock their full potential at work, the author of PREP, PUSH, PIVOT, and host of two Audible Originals, Brand Yourself for Success and How to Change Careers. Previously featured on Finding Brave (check out Episode 248!), she returns to share new insights on personal branding, professional visibility, and why it's more important than ever to own your worth and leverage more fully your amazing talents, abilities and experiences. In this episode, you'll learn why great work alone isn't enough to stand out in today's competitive job market and how many high performers remain invisible despite their incredible contributions. We also unpack the connection between visibility and self-recognition and how naming your strengths and tracking your accomplishments form the foundation of a strong personal brand. Octavia also offers empowering tips on embracing personal branding without feeling "cringy," even for those who avoid the spotlight, and shares the traits that define her own brand. (And the fascinating responses Octavia offered in answer to my impromptu question her own brand were very enlightening!). Want to learn how to build a memorable personal brand that embodies who you truly are? Tune in today! Key Highlights From This Episode: Why visibility begins with self-recognition (and why so many people struggle with this). [04:55] How naming your strengths, even the most obvious ones, is key to owning your worth. [08:43] Using discomfort as a diagnostic tool to guide your next steps and fuel growth. [17:23] The power of sharing your struggles: it might be the inspiration someone else needs! [21:45] Embracing authenticity and aligning your brand with who you truly are. [25:21] Tips for identifying the key traits of your personal brand and building a presence for it. [27:41] Redefining success by how you honor your own progress, not others' opinions of it. [39:38] For More Information: Octavia Goredema Fire Memos PREP, PUSH, PIVOT: Essential Career Strategies for Underrepresented Women Brand Yourself for Success How to Change Careers Octavia Goredema on Instagram Octavia Goredema on LinkedIn Octavia Goredema on X Links Mentioned in Today's Episode: Listen to Octavia on Finding Brave in Episode 248: 'Essential Career Strategies for Underrepresented Women'. Watch Kathy's TEDx Talk, 'Time To Brave Up'. Check out Shawn Achor's TEDx Talk, 'The happy secret to better work'. ——————— Ready to Take Your Professional Life and Leadership to the Next Level FAST in a supportive group/community environment? JOIN KATHY IN "THE MOST POWERFUL YOU" 8-WEEK COACHING AND TRAINING COURSE STARTING MAY 15TH! My 8-week LIVE course, The Most Powerful You, is now OPEN for early bird Spring registration, with big savings and bonuses! Join me in this transformational learning and growth journey! The course starts May 15th, and if you register by May 10th, you'll save $300 and get 9 amazing bonuses — including one month of free access to my new digital coaching tool, Kathy Caprino AI. Over 8 weeks, I'll personally coach you and an inspiring small group of professionals around the global to build your confidence, step into expanded leadership, speak up for what you want, job search and interview more successfully, connect with influential mentors, and finally make the career shifts, improvements and changes you've been dreaming about. You'll also be a part of an uplifting support community, both on our live calls and in our private Facebook group. Spots are limited, so please don't hesitate! Visit mostpowerfulyou.com to claim your early bird savings and bonuses before May 10. Let's make this the year your professional life truly transforms in the way you dream it to. Hope to see you there! ——————— WANT 1:1, PRIVATE SUPPORT TO TRANSFORM YOUR CAREER THIS YEAR TO REACH YOUR HIGHEST GOALS? Work with Kathy and get hands-on, transformative (1:1) CAREER & LEADERSHIP GROWTH COACHING SUPPORT today! If you're ready for a big positive shift in how you're working and what you're achieving today in your career AND want to experience private, one-on-one career coaching and consulting - let's make that happen for you! In my 6-session Career & Leadership Breakthrough 1:1 coaching program or my 10-session Build Your Confidence, Success and Impact program, I help men and women get what they want most, which includes more confidence, impact, advancement, financial reward, and fulfillment and exponential growth and reach. I've worked with over 25,000 professionals across 6 continents, and before that, I served as a therapist, and before that, I was a corporate VP, managing multi-million dollar budgets and global initiatives. I bring all of that experience to our work together, helping you build a new chapter that aligns with who you really are and what you're ready to create. Check out the links above if you're ready for a big positive shift this year. I hope you'll register now. I'd love to support you! ——————— Order Kathy's book The Most Powerful You today! In Australia and New Zealand, click here to order, elsewhere outside North America, click here, and in the UK, click here. If you enjoy the book, we'd so appreciate your giving the book a positive rating and review on Amazon! And check out Kathy's digital companion course The Most Powerful You, to help you close the 7 most damaging power gaps in the most effective way possible. Kathy's Power Gaps Survey, Support To Build Your LinkedIn Profile To Great Success & Other Free Resources Kathy's TEDx Talk, Time To Brave Up & Free Career Path Self-Assessment Kathy's Amazing Career Project video training course & 6 Dominant Action Styles Quiz ——————— Sponsor Highlight I'm thrilled that both Audible.com and Amazon Music are sponsors of Finding Brave! Take advantage of their great special offers and free trials today! Audible Offer Amazon Music Offer Quotes: "Self-promotion can feel so hard, or cringy, or icky. To get past that feeling, we have to connect with ourselves. Before we can talk to anyone else, whether that's a co-worker, or our boss, or our networks about the work that we're doing, we have to recognize our value ourselves." — @OctaviaGoredema [0:05:14] "Personal branding starts with owning your narrative unapologetically." — @OctaviaGoredema [0:16:18] "Growth is so uncomfortable in the moment, but it's so important because that's actually what helps you identify where the misalignment is. You might not be able to snap your fingers and change it immediately, but it's giving you indicators." — @OctaviaGoredema [0:19:50] "Ultimately, what you're doing [in building a personal brand] is embodying who you are and building trust around who you are and what you do. It really is that simple." — @OctaviaGoredema [0:27:03] "If you are investing in [a social media presence], it's not about likes and it's not about the number of followers that you have. It's actually about the authenticity of what you share." — @OctaviaGoredema [0:38:59] "The [real] measure of success is taking the time to privately recognize your progress and to honor that and to celebrate that." — @OctaviaGoredema [0:39:48] Watch our Finding Brave episodes on YouTube! Don't forget – you can experience each Finding Brave episode in both audio and video formats! Check out new and recent episodes on my YouTube channel at YouTube.com/kathycaprino. And please leave us a comment and a thumbs up if you like the show!