Human Cogs Podcast

What if ageing wasn't something to fear but something to finally - fiercely - embrace? Jacinta Parsons is an ABC broadcaster, writer, public speaker and newly minted Doctor. She has lived with Crohn's disease for decades, navigated divorce, faced chronic illness and devastating loss, and now come through the other side not diminished but radically empowered.  For her latest book, A Wisdom of Age, Jacinta interviewed women across Australia about the experience of ageing, and captured what we can learn from them to boldly rewrite the story of the second half of our lives. In this episode of Human Cogs we talk with Jacinta about the hardwon learnings and unbridled freedom that can come with ageing: the shedding of “good girl” rules, the cultivation of our wilder versions of self and how life’s fractures and fragilities can also be surprising openings to new identities and big opportunities in the world.  We talk about internalised ageism and the stories women are told about their bodies. We talk about what chronic illness teaches you about control, surrender and what actually matters. We talk about the difference between loneliness and solitude, and why learning to be happily alone with yourself might be one of the most important things you can do. And we talk about wisdom - what it really means, how you cultivate it, and why the most interesting chapters of your life might be the ones you haven't written yet. So pour yourself a cuppa, take a long walk under the sun or stars or lie your good self down and listen to this absolute wisdom of age from Jacinta Parsons. Guest: Jacinta Parsons, ABC Broadcaster, writer and public speaker. She is the Co-host of ABC Melbourne’s The Friday Revue with Brian Nankervis and presents ABC Victorian Saturday Mornings.Book: A Wisdom Of AgeInstagram: @jacintaparsonsWebsite: JacintaParsons.com Hosts: Mads Hanger (Grummet) and Sabina ReadProducer: Our audio wizard is the beloved Daryl MissenWant to support our show? Thank you! Please click ‘follow’ on Apple and Spotify and if you're really feeling it leave us a five-star review. Human Cogs is available on Apple, Spotify or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with stacks of our previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?DM us on Instagram @human.cogsDo you know someone with an amazing story? Tell us! We're always scouting for amazing people to feature on Human Cogs! Learn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“How many kids do you have?” It’s a question asked so casually, often as part of small talk. Yet, for those who dreamed of parenthood but find themselves childless, these four words can land with a heavy blow. Today’s guest, Kelly Donougher, is a successful interior designer and founder of 13 Interiors, with design studios in Perth and Melbourne. But behind her professional success lies a deeply personal story. In her new book No Fence, No Limits, Kelly opens up about her and her husband’s decade-long journey with infertility—marked by rounds of medical interventions, the heartbreak of miscarriage, and the ongoing process of navigating grief. In our conversation, Kelly shares the tension between meeting society’s expectations and honouring her own truths, how the medical system can make you feel like just another number, and what it means to carve out an identity beyond parenthood. She also reflects on how grief, while devastating, can spark transformation—and how creativity and career reinvention became lifelines of healing. This is a conversation not just about infertility, but about the universal struggle with life’s “shoulds,” the boxes we’re told to tick, and the courage it takes to choose a different path. Kelly’s story is one of perseverance, hope, surrender, and ultimately, acceptance. Most of all, she reminds us that even when our sense of agency feels diminished, we still hold the power to choose. To learn more about Kelly’s book, head to kellydonougher.com, and to explore her beautiful design work, visit 13interiors.com. Host: Sabina ReadProducer: Audio Superstar Daryl Missen ***** Hosts: Mads Hanger (Grummet) and Sabina ReadProducer: Our audio wizard is Daryl MissenHuman Cogs is available on Apple, Spotify or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with stacks of our previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?DM us on Instagram @human.cogsDo you know someone with an amazing story? Tell us! We're always scouting for amazing people to feature on Human Cogs! And if you really loved this episode, leave us a quick review. We love that.Learn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Don Watson has spent a lifetime listening closely - to the language of politics, power, persuasion and all the spaces in between. A historian, author and master of the written word, he is perhaps best known as the speechwriter behind some of Australia’s most unforgettable words - including the iconic Redfern Speech, delivered by then-Prime Minister Paul Keating in 1992. It remains one of this country’s most raw and courageous reckonings with our colonial past, and a landmark moment in the long and unfinished story of reconciliation. But Don Watson's work doesn’t stop at politics. Over decades, he’s carved out a formidable legacy as one of our most astute and fearless cultural critics - writing bestselling books, searing Quarterly Essays and brilliantly biting commentaries that strip the varnish from political spin, corporate waffle and the TikTokian digital decay of modern language. In this wide-ranging conversation, Don offers his brutally clear-eyed take on the state of language and the state of the world with that other Don running amok in the White House. From the rise of meaningless buzzwords and the weaponisation of language to the turning of the free world under the Trumpian Project 2025 dictate, Don Watson says America was never a perfect democracy anyway - and that if anyone tries to tell you what is going on in the United States, you should quickly walk away.  We talk about democracy - what it was, what it is and what it’s becoming - but we also  go way back to Don’s childhood on a muddy, blue-gum-lined dairy farm in Gippsland. A world of rolling hills, working hands and laconic storytellers - where his first understanding of Australia, its language, its past and its people took shape. We chart his unlikely journey from farm kid to the halls of academia where he discovered that the real nuggets weren’t to be found in textbooks, but in the colour, grit and perennial contradictions of Australia’s chequered political history. What is clear when you listen to this is that no matter where you sit - or not - on the political spectrum, Don Watson is a remarkable human and a rare thinker - a man unafraid to call out bullshit, challenge conventional wisdom and remind us that words aren’t just words; they define who we are.  Words can shape nations, tear down empires, ignite revolutions and - sometimes - heal wounds. Words can give voice to the voiceless, turn ideas into movements and hold power to account.  And in an era of misinformation, disinformation and the white noise of the White House, where the zone is flooded, meaning is diluted and truth is up for debate, the way we use language matters now - more than ever.  This is a conversation about the power of language but really, it’s about everything. About truth. About history. And about the kind of future world we want to live in - and the words we’ll need to build it. Guest: Don WatsonBooks: PenguinCatch Don at the Sorrento Writers’ Festival Host: Mads GrummetProducer: Audio Superstar Daryl Missen*****LISTEN NOW🎧 Spotify: Listen here🎧 Apple: Listen here Human Cogs is available wherever you get your podcasts or via our website where you can also catch stacks of great conversations with previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?Get in touch via website or Instagram @human.cogsWe'd love you to share our podcast and leave us a quick review! It helps us get these human stories out there!Thanks, as ever, for listening. Go well. Be well. Human well.www.humancogs.comLearn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Annus horribilis is a Latin phrase that means "horrible year". It’s the antithesis of annus mirabilis which means "wonderful year". Of course years don’t exist in those binaries but we all know that some years are better than others: some are defined by greatness, and others we just can’t wait to see the back of. As this episode goes to air, Mads shares what this past year has been like for her, marred by deep grief and a few mortality jolts that have brought into sharp focus what really matters.  Mads doesn’t count her experience as unique because this is just ordinary human life, of course, playing out as it ever has with its wonders and horrors in chorus.  But it is true that for most of us, by the time you’ve clocked up a few decades of living, you’ll likely have had a front row seat to witnessing some people you deeply love die, dement, disappear or divorce. How you choose to walk through those human hardships is the only choice you will ultimately have because life will continue to throw curveballs, which means you will need to deliberately choose - again and again - where you will focus your energy, who you will spend your precious time with and who you will need to let go. Sarah Grynberg knows this walk well because she’s had to make some pretty hard personal choices recently to let a few old friends and habits go so she can create more space for serendipity in her life. This has partly been prompted by what Sarah has learned in her professional life, as an internationally acclaimed mindset coach and speaker, and the host of A Life of Greatness podcast which to date has had millions of downloads. On her podcast, Sarah interviews some of the world's greatest thought-leaders, sporting legends, famous entertainers and best-selling authors as they explain how they have overcome challenges, conquered self-limiting beliefs and unearthed what it means to achieve greatness in their own lives. Of course, what a life of greatness looks like is very different for each of us. But as Sarah walks us through her own difficult journey to now, we hope you can all take a little tonic of greatness from this conversation. Enjoy. Guest: Sarah Grynberg, Host of A Life of Greatness Podcast and internationally acclaimed Mindset Coach and Speaker Hosts: Mads Hanger (Grummet) and Sabina ReadProducer: Our audio wizard is Daryl MissenHuman Cogs is available on Apple, Spotify or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with stacks of our previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?DM us on Instagram @human.cogsDo you know someone with an amazing story? Tell us! We're always scouting for amazing people to feature on Human Cogs! And if you really loved this episode, leave us a quick review. We love that.  Learn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When you think of a health retreat, I wonder what thoughts and feelings come to mind? Yoga with a monk on a mountain, people healing their deepest wounds around grief, illness or weight issues, or perhaps it’s images of Nicole Kidman in 9 Perfect Strangers as depicted in the book and movie? I’ve attended countless retreats in Australia and overseas, and every time I have made one or two changes that have catalysed bigger shifts in my life. I believe we need to update our beliefs that retreats are somewhere “broken” people go, and replace them with the idea that retreats provide an environment with all the ideal ingredients that help set us up for tuning into our own innate sense of knowing and wisdom that have the potential to invite us back to a sense of wholeness, rest and repair – emotionally, physically, psychologically and mentally. In 2023, I spent six life changing days at Aro Hā Health Retreat in the glorious New Zealand mountains near Queenstown. In this episode, we are joined by Aro Hā’s co-founder and glorious human, Damian Chaparro. He shares the philosophy embedded in the program at Aro Hā as well as what a typical week looks like for guests. Damian shares his own younger year experiences of working tirelessly in an IT job with all the financial trappings, and too much alcohol, minus the meaning and fulfillment. And how as a life-long learner he continues to find ways to acknowledge all the parts that show up in him and how he has learned to listen to self and others with curiosity and acceptance. We discuss the benefits of fasting, movement, nature and stillness, and what gets in the way of creating sustainable behaviour changes that we desire, yet so often sabotage. Damian also reveals some entertaining and heartfelt stories of connecting with his 80 year old mum after they both shared the plant-based psychedelic, ayahuasca (not at Aro Hā by the way!) If you’re curious about dialling up wellbeing, or are wondering what a health retreat might be like for you, or if your body, mind and soul is looking for a reset, then this conversation is for you. I deeply believe the world would be a better place if we all had the opportunity to experience the magic of Aro Hā. Here’s my chat with Damian. Website: Aro HaLinks: Instagram, Spotify, YouTube, Facebook, Hosts: Mads Grummet + Sabina ReadProducer: Audio Superstar Daryl MissenHuman Cogs is available on Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Podcasts or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?Join in the convo on Instagram @human.cogsWe'd love you to share the love! Please follow us or leave a quick review. It helps us get these stories out to more awesome peeps like you!Thanks, as ever, for listening. Be well.www.humancogs.comLearn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It was the poet and civil rights activist Maya Angelou who once said ‘there is no greater agony than bearing an untold story inside you’. Stories are what help us make sense of the world around us and of ourselves, of great tragedies and fates and fortunes, of buried histories and mysteries, of the untold secrets and human essence of things. Journalist Corrie Perkin was born with stories in her blood. Her father, Graham Perkin - the famed journalist and editor of The Age newspaper - was a story that unfolded before her larger than life, as she grew up on a diet of breaking news, of ink and print, and the daily happenings of the world at large playing out in fervoured conversations at her kitchen table. But her father’s tragic death when she was aged just 14, set Corrie’s story on a different arc, and changed her life in ways that today are still unfurling. In this conversation we talk about grief, how we each make sense of our lived stories, about Corrie’s decades working as a respected journalist, storyteller and champion of novelists and books, and mostly, about why in an increasingly fractured and distracted world, our words really do matter. Guest: Corrie Perkin, Journalist, Podcaster and Director of the Sorrento Writers FestivalSorrento Writers Festival: https://sorrentowritersfestival.com.au/Book tickets: https://sorrentowritersfestival.com.au/artfuel/programInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/sorrentowritersfestivalLinkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/sorrento-writers-festival/Host: Mads GrummetProducer: Audio Superstar Daryl MissenHuman Cogs is available on Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Podcasts or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?Join in the convo on Instagram @human.cogsWe'd love you to share the love! Please follow us or leave a quick review. It helps us get these stories out to more awesome peeps like you!Thanks, as ever, for listening. Go well. Be well.www.humancogs.comLearn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Grace Tame is a name that needs little introduction, but that doesn’t mean you know Grace - or indeed her story - on her own terms. Catapulted into the spotlight as 'Australian of the Year' in 2021, Grace stepped squarely into the public eye and became a powerful catalyst for a tidal wave of conversation, action and policy change for survivor-victims of sexual abuse across Australia. Finally, this was a chance for Grace Tame to find - and use - her voice, after years of shadows and silence. "Let's make some noise Australia" was her catch cry. In this honest and at times confronting conversation, Grace shares with us the findings of a new Australian study - the largest of it’s kind in the world - that validates what victim-survivors have been saying for years; that child sexual abuse is a public health issue and the current statistics are shocking. Child sexual abuse is widespread in this country. According to the study, one in six (15.1%) Australian men report sexual feelings towards children and one in ten (9.4%) Australian men have sexually offended against children. Grace calls for policy change and accountability for the big tech giants who continue to allow online access to child sexual abuse material on their sites, and for intensive education so grooming is implicitly understood by children, parents and bystanders - which means all of us. Like every human on earth, Grace is a work in progress, and is still coming to terms with her experiences of instability, uncertainty and trauma. But she is powerfully reclaiming her narrative by ceding control as an adult in charge of the story of her life. And in Grace’s words: “Peace is not freedom from pain; it is the acceptance of it.” WARNING: This episode is about child sexual abuse, and may be disturbing to some listeners. Please use discretion when considering listening to this episode, and if you do need support please contact Lifeline Australia on 13 11 14 or 1800 RESPECT. Guest: Grace TameBook: The Ninth Life Of A Diamond MinerInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/tamepunk/Grace Tame Foundation: https://www.instagram.com/gracetamefoundation/ Hosts: Mads Grummet + Sabina ReadProducer: Audio Superstar Daryl MissenHuman Cogs is available on Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Podcasts or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?Join in the convo on Instagram @human.cogsWe'd love you to share the love! Please follow us or leave a quick review. It helps us get these stories out to more awesome peeps like you!Thanks, as ever, for listening. Be well.www.humancogs.comLearn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

When you google Catherine Mahoney, the first thing it says is Andrew John’s ex-wife. But as I know nothing about the NRL or his career as one of Australia’s biggest sports stars, this isn’t what led me to invite Cath to join us on Human Cogs. Cath is an ex-publicist, writer, podcaster, talented creative, and had me rollicking on the floor with laughter when we first met two years ago. Her warm, funny and relatable 2022 memoir Currently Between Husbands tells the story of her marriage and separation to Andrew as well the relationship insights gleaned before and after her relationship with Andrew. As a self-confessed over-sharer, not much is off the table. In this conversation, Cath reflects how being a people pleaser has helped and hindered her personally and professionally. How being separated and divorced is both challenging and also freeing. She also shares some of the top tips she has gleaned from interviewing over 150 guests on her fabulous podcast So I Quit My Day Job, where she talks with career changes and how they made the leap. Cath reminds us that being yourself and being at ease in your own skin is the best roadmap to follow. She also acknowledges that this is hard when we are drawn off course by the needs and expectations of others; and perhaps fear of judgement or failure too. She’s Currently Between Husbands, and yet she’s so much more than that… here’s my chat with always delightful and witty Cath. Guest: Cathrine MahoneyBook: Currently Between HusbandsFollow: Instagram, Podcasts Host: Mads Grummet + Sabina ReadProducer: Daryl Missen Human Cogs is available on Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Podcasts or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?Join the discussion at Instagram @human.cogsWe do this for love. But we'd love you to support our show! Please follow us on the podcast platforms or leave us a quick review.It helps us get these stories out to more awesome peeps like you! Thanks for listening!Learn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

“Affairs are a little like childbirth. Someone is always having one somewhere, usually right under the nose of a spouse because nobody knows everything that happens inside a marriage, not even the people in it.” Award-winning author and journalist Kate Legge has chronicled social and political affairs and other people’s stories since the 1980s. But Kate’s latest book - an unflinchingly honest and raw memoir called 'Infidelity and Other Affairs' - explores her own story and the tumult that took hold when her husband’s serial cheating upended her life, decades-long marriage and entire sense of self. Kate’s story and that of her complex family of origin are compelling, and in this episode of Human Cogs she details her hurt, fury, agony and the eventual forgiveness and understanding she developed for her husband in the face of his betrayal and deceit. To this day, they remain firm friends. As Kate writes: “Affairs create their own weather systems. They leap fences like wildfires and give reason the flick, and in the aftermath there is a bill of claims and damages to be logged. We are drawn to broken glass, like ghouls guiltily feasting on the drama. The hurt, the highs, the hubris, the audacity, the anguish jolts us out of complacency.”Listen to this if you want to go deep into the complexities of marital infidelity, understand how our families of origin shape and scar us, and discover how the getting of wisdom is mostly got along the rutted roads and blind turns of our very messy human lives. Guest: Kate LeggeBook: Infidelity and Other Affairs by Kate Legge Host: Mads GrummetProducer: Daryl Missen Human Cogs is available on Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Podcasts or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?Join the discussion at Instagram @human.cogsWe do this for love. But we'd love you to support our show! Please follow us on the podcast platforms or leave us a quick review.It helps us get these stories out to more awesome peeps like you! Thanks for listening!Learn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Over recent weeks we’ve all watched and listened to the debate over 'The Voice to Parliament' play out in the media, at dinner tables and in the public sphere. Conversations have caught fire and it seems that a lot of confusion has got in the way of the facts. This is partly because right-wing hardliners have deliberately launched misinformation and disinformation to seed fear, cloud issues and inflame political debate. But also because many people are saying they don’t really know what the proposed Voice to parliament and constitutional recognition actually mean, and what it will mean for Australia going forward … And yet, how many people - including you - are actively taking responsibility to seek out facts, stay informed and educate yourself about the Voice? The referendum date is set for October 14. The Voice would enshrine in the nation’s constitution a mechanism for a group of Indigenous representatives to offer advice to the Executive Government and Parliament on matters and issues affecting the lives of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people. Embedding the Voice in the constitution would also finally recognise the incredibly special place First Nations people have in Australian history. The Voice would be an advisory body designed to improve outcomes in health, education and wellbeing. Important to note here is that this advisory body would NOT have the power to veto laws. As a journalist I understand and am committed to platforming many different points of view. But as a person committed to equal opportunity and fairness, improving outcomes for indigenous people who are - proportionally - the most incarcerated people on the planet by percentage of their population, the most disadvantaged ethnic group in Australia and a people who have an life expectancy of nearly eight years shorter than other Australian men and women, I personally think this referendum is a once in a generation chance to bring our country together. I asked Indigenous leader Thomas Mayo to join us on Human Cogs to have an open conversation about what the Voice to parliament means, and why it will play an important role in Australia’s future. Mayo is a Kaurareg Aboriginal and Kalkalgal, Erubamle Torres Strait Islander man, the Assistant National Secretary of the MUA, a signatory of the ‘Uluru Statement from the Heart’ and he sits on Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s Referendum Working Group, which drafted the referendum question. Mayo has recently co-written a book with acclaimed journalist Kerry O’Brien called 'The Voice to Parliament Handbook', to equip Australians with balanced and fair information about the Voice. No matter your view, I encourage you to listen to this conversation and make it your responsibility to make an informed decision when you step up to vote on October 14. It is the least you can do for democracy - and for the future of our country. APOLOGIES: Wifi was against us on the day of recording so please bear with the very ordinary sound quality. We promise it does get better as the conversation goes on! Guest: Thomas MayoWebsite: https://www.thomasmayo.com.au/The Voice To Parliament Handbook: https://lnk.to/thevoicetoparliamentbookHost: Mads GrummetProducer: Daryl MissenShow Notes:Read the Australian Government Referendum Question and Constitutional Amendment: https://voice.gov.au/referendum-2023/referendum-question-and-constitutional-amendment What is The Voice? https://voice.gov.au/ National Indigenous Australians Agency: https://www.niaa.gov.au/ The Voice To Parliament Handbook: https://lnk.to/thevoicetoparliamentbook Yes23: https://www.yes23.com.au/ ________________________________________________Human Cogs PodcastHosts: Sabina Read and Mads Grummet Human Cogs is available on Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Podcasts or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?Join in the convo at Instagram @human.cogsWe'd love you to support our show! Please follow us or leave a quick review.It helps us get these stories out to more awesome peeps like you! Thanks for listening!Learn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kerri Sackville is a writer and columnist for Sunday Life magazine in The Age and the Sydney Morning Herald. She’s also the author of five books, including her most recent, The Secret Life of You – How a Bit of Alone Time Can Change your Life, Relationships, and Maybe the World! Now, those listeners who know me well, know that even though I’m endlessly curious, I am not a voracious reader of books, and although I own thousands of books I’m more of a skim reader than a cover-to-cover gal. So I even surprised myself when I deep-dived into Kerri’s latest book, and found myself highlighting like a kinder kid who’s drunk too much red cordial! In this conversation, Kerri explains that while we want and crave solitude, we avoid it like the plague, and when we do have alone time, we often fill the space with distractions including other people, or technology, work, or TV rather than becoming more deeply acquainted with ourselves. In this illuminating and perhaps at times, confronting chat (confronting because truth bells were ringing for this pod-host), we discussed the oddly non-sensical societal rules of solitude that leave many of us feeling that there while alone time is acceptable in small doses, being in the company of others is often sold to us as the norm and the ideal. Whether the struggle to sit with solitude relates to our relationship status, patterns of work, family and home set up, expectations, friendship circles, personality style, belief systems, fears, or our social media usage, Kerri shares her own awakenings and the significant benefits of alone time, lamenting that she wished she had turned inwards earlier and not waited until she was single, after her 17 year marriage ended, to figure our who she was! While we all know that down time is vital and being with ourselves provides a richness like no other, it’s easy to over-ride or avoid this need. Reading Kerri’s book was a slap-in-the-face wake-up-call to me and she adeptly explains why in this illuminating episode. Here’s my chat with Kerri… ### Guest: Kerri SackvilleLinks: Instagram, Facebook, LinkedInHosts: Sabina Read and Mads GrummetProducer: Daryl Missen Human Cogs is available on Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Podcasts or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?Join in the convo at Instagram @human.cogsWe'd love you to support our show! Please follow us or leave a quick review.It helps us get these stories out to more awesome peeps like you! Thanks for listening!Learn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In this episode of Human Cogs, Sabina speaks with not one, but two guests to better understand the devastating effects that drug use has on the children of drug users, and the cycle of abuse that can repeat if no action is taken. Prue Mahar shares her story of what unfolded after her sister left behind two youngchildren following a drug overdose. In addition to Prue’s lived experience and insights, I am also joined by the quietly unstoppable Jane Rowe, founder and CEO of the Mirabel Foundation, a charity that supports vulnerable children whose parents are addicted to drugs or alcohol, or have passed away from their addiction. Jane is the worthy recipient of numerous awards including the Prime Minister's Centenary Medal and an Order of Australia, yet it's the way she inspires hope and kindness every day that is so very inspiring and impactful. Together, this dynamic duo share the pain, anger, overwhelm, love, hope and commitment associated with the challenges and solutions needed to combat the intergenerational patterns of addiction; and the importance of connections and belonging we all need to do life well. Mirabel currently supports over 1,900 children and young people, and their kinship carers who are impacted by substance abuse. As a parent, grandparent or sibling, most of us would like to think we would support our children, grandchildren, brothers or sisters if they really needed our help. But it’s hard for many of us to imagine the complexities and joys of raising a niece and nephew in one intergenerational home where a single grandmother, a mum and dad, share the practical, emotional, psychological, financial and educational responsibilities to raise four children – reminding us that it does indeed take a village! This is much more than a story of kinship care catalysed by addiction. We discuss universal themes including relationships, family dynamics, loss, anger, love, the power of letting go and the need to work together to shape the lives of young and old alike; regardless of whether substance abuse has touched us or not. ### Guest: Jane Rowe and Prue MaharWebsite: Mirabel FoundationHosts: Sabina Read and Mads GrummetProducer: Daryl Missen Human Cogs is available on Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Podcasts or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?Join in the convo at Instagram @human.cogsWe'd love you to support our show! Please follow us or leave a quick review.It helps us get these stories out to more awesome peeps like you! Thanks for listening!Learn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What do you think are the most important ingredients for a young person to learn and thrive? While we’ve hopefully come a long way since reading, writing and arithmetic topped the list, we wonder how many of you would say that connection, empathy and a sense of agency matter most when it comes to educating young people to step out into the world and be their best selves. In this conversation we meet the extraordinary Lael Stone - a Parenting Educator, Speaker for The Resilience Project and TEDx, Author of best-selling book - Raising Resilient and Compassionate Children and the founder of Woodline Primary - an independent school which opened in February 2021 with a novel modern curriculum based on emotional awareness and a key focus on educating the whole child so they learn to deeply know themselves, so they can better navigate the world around them. Lael shares her incredible and inspiring journey through parenthood, trauma, self-discovery and healing, and how she has utilised her story and teachings to help parents and students alike. She also shares tips on how to manage the mother load to ensure you are prioritising your own self-care and setting boundaries, while also creating space for your kids to step into who they are fully. And if you think this chat is only about parenting and the failings of the education system, you’d be wrong! There are so many brilliant tips and human insights for how each of us can manage our experiences of trauma, understand and own our stories and learn to truly listen instead of trying to fix. ### Guest: Lael StoneWebsite: laelstone.comLinks: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook Hosts: Sabina Read and Mads GrummetProducer: Daryl Missen Human Cogs is available on Apple, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Podcasts or via our website where you can also catch great conversations with previous guests :) Got some thoughts on today's episode you'd like to share?Join in the convo at Instagram @human.cogsWe'd love you to support our show! Please follow us or leave a quick review.It helps us get these stories out to more awesome peeps like you! Thanks for listening!Learn more and support the show: https://www.humancogs.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.