Inside the Wave

She Started at 60. She Started at 15. Two women. Two very different paths onto the mat. Same reasons for staying. Ava Govek walked into Utopia at 14. Six years later, she's a four-stripe blue belt, Utopia's former sales director, and one of the most experienced women in the room. Deb Pokel walked in at 59. She turned 60 last fall. She just hit her one-year anniversary, runs a Sport Clips franchise with 110 barbers across 13 locations, and has dropped into six other gyms while traveling for business. Perry sits down with both of them to talk about what it's actually like to train BJJ as a woman. The first-day nerves. The mental barriers. The training partners who get it and the ones who don't. Why "we're not your rest stop" is a line every man in the sport should hear. What happens when your BJJ breakfall shows up on an icy boardwalk. And what the sport gives women, beyond self-defense. This one is honest, funny, and useful. If you've been curious about starting, this is the episode that pulls you closer to the door. Key Takeaways Your first day is supposed to feel like that. Both Ava and Deb were terrified, and both came back. "No is a complete sentence." Ava calls it the most valuable lesson she's learned in six years of BJJ. Men: nobody is your rest stop. If you're rolling with a woman because you want a break, your training partners can feel it, and the culture suffers. Deb's first real-life application of BJJ was a sprawl on an icy boardwalk. One year in. Muscle memory kicked in. Gym culture is what keeps women training. Fundamentals class, the women's chat, and coaches who watch the mat make Utopia feel different. Size and strength matter less in BJJ than in any other contact sport. They still matter. Train accordingly. Planting the seed works. Ava and Deb both bring women in by talking about the sport like the journey it actually is. Guest Bios Ava Govek. Four-stripe blue belt at Utopia, six years in. Started as a teenager, grew up in the academy. Former sales director at Utopia. Graduating with her master's in May. One of the highest-ranking women on the mat and a voice for the women's program. Instagram: @ava.govek Deb Pokel. White belt at Utopia, one year in. 60 years old, turned 60 last fall. Married with five kids and five grandkids. Owns a Sport Clips franchise with 110 barbers and stylists across 13 locations. Trains at Utopia and drops into gyms while traveling for business. Faith-driven, tenacious, still bruised, still showing up. Instagram: @pokeldeb Listen now and ride the wave. Inside The Wave Spotify Apple Podcasts YouTube

What does athletic development look like when athletes reach the high school years and competition starts to carry real stakes? In this final episode of the four-part youth development series, Perry Wirth sits down again with returning guest Chandler Lewis, sports psychologist, Certified Mental Performance Consultant, and competitive swim coach, to explore the critical stage of ages 15 to 18. At this point many athletes begin facing increased expectations. College recruitment, scholarship opportunities, tougher competition, and the pressure that comes with chasing high level performance all begin to shape the experience. Together Perry and Chandler break down how coaches, parents, and athletes can navigate this phase while protecting long term development, mental health, and love for the sport. You’ll learn how to:• Understand the major PIES shifts (Physical, Intellectual, Emotional, Social) during the high school years• Balance intense training, strength work, and recovery without burnout• Help athletes build autonomy and ownership in their training and competition plans• Navigate the pressure of rankings, recruiting, and rising expectations• Develop the mental skills needed to perform under pressure• Support athletes through the transition from youth sports into college level competition Chandler shares insights from coaching hundreds of competitive swimmers and working with athletes through his sports psychology practice, offering practical strategies for staying grounded when performance begins to matter more than ever. Whether you are a parent, coach, or athlete navigating the high school years, this episode offers a roadmap for developing resilient competitors and confident young adults. Connect with ChandlerSwim Program: Clewis@wsacltd.orgSports Psychology: championshipmind.com | Chandler@championshipmind.com Stay tuned for more conversations that go beyond the mats.

How can you support your child’s “golden age” of growth without pushing too far, too soon? Between the ages of seven and ten, something amazing happens: kids stop just playing sports and start learning how to compete. In this episode of Inside the Wave, Perry Wirth sits down with returning guest Chandler Lewis, swim coach and Certified Mental Performance Consultant, for Part 2 of their youth development series. Together they explore what really happens when coordination, focus, and confidence all start to click — and how parents can nurture it without the pressure. You’ll learn how to:• Recognize the key PIES shifts (Physical, Intellectual, Emotional, Social) at this stage• Keep motivation strong without overtraining or burnout• Turn early competition into a tool for confidence and growth• Balance discipline with fun during practice and meets• Use “process praise” to build intrinsic motivation that lasts Chandler combines years of experience coaching athletes from first lessons to NCAA hopefuls with expertise in mental performance, helping kids (and their parents) enjoy the process as much as the progress. Whether you’re on the pool deck or sidelines, this episode helps you turn your child’s golden age of growth into a foundation for confidence, coordination, and lifelong joy in sport. Connect with Chandler:Swim Program: Clewis@wsacltd.orgSports Psychology: championshipmind.com | Chandler@championshipmind.com Stay tuned for more conversations that go beyond the mats.

What does fueling your body actually look like when you’re training BJJ in your 30s and beyond? In this episode, Perry sits down with Kodi—a brown belt, sports nutritionist, and lifelong tinkerer with deep roots in both the kitchen and the gym. They unpack what it really takes to support performance and longevity for grapplers juggling work, family, and training. Highlights include: How to systemize your nutrition without overthinking it Kodi’s go-to supplements for energy, recovery, and joint health Why most athletes under-eat (and how to fix it) What to eat before and after class to train hard without wrecking your sleep The truth about plastic containers, rice cakes, and raw-scooping pre-workout Kodi brings more than expertise—he brings empathy. From real-life meal prep tips to coaching insights for men and women on the mats, he’s helping athletes make progress in sustainable, realistic ways. This is a must-listen for anyone navigating BJJ in their 30s, 40s, and beyond—especially if you’ve ever wondered, “Am I doing this recovery thing right?” Learn more about Kodi:Instagram: @kodakv1Resources: @kodak_gummy – Free guides, nutrition systems, and tools for grapplers

Ever feel like something’s holding your body back—but you can’t quite pinpoint what it is? In this episode of Inside the Wave, Perry sits down with Keith Shimon, co-founder of Body Activation and a specialist in performance training, injury recovery, and human adaptation. Keith’s been in the game for decades—working with NFL athletes, MLB players, and everyday folks chasing better movement. He shares how to actually figure out what your body needs to perform, recover, and adapt for the long run—whether you’re a beginner in BJJ or a black belt managing years of wear and tear. Highlights:- How to identify hidden weaknesses before they lead to injury- What “adaptation” really means (and how to train for it)- Why exercise is your most powerful tool for long-term recovery Keith’s approach isn’t just science—it’s personal. From helping his dad through ALS to guiding pro athletes through injury, he’s developed a practical system that bridges healing and high performance. This is a must-listen if you’re serious about staying on the mats, training smarter, and making real progress. Plus: Keith shares a free self-assessment grid you can start using today. Check it out here!Learn more about Keith:@keithshimonbody-activation.com

In this episode of Inside the Wave, I catch up with Ava, one of the most dedicated members of our Utopia community. From her first day on the mats as a nervous teenager to becoming a key leader in our programs, we've watched her transform into an inspiring role model. We’ve seen her push through challenges, support new students, and truly embody what Utopia stands for. She started out as a student, worked her way through the challenges of training in a male-dominated sport, and now plays a major role in helping run our programs. Episode Highlights:🔥 What it was like being one of the only girls in class🔥 How jiu-jitsu built her confidence on and off the mats🔥 The transition from student to mentor🔥 Why self-defense training is a must for young women Ava has grown into a leader at Utopia, running summer camps, helping new students find their footing, and proving that martial arts isn’t just about fighting—it’s about building resilience, confidence, and community. If you’re thinking about training or want to hear firsthand what jiu-jitsu can do beyond the mats, this episode is for you. Hit play and join the conversation! 🎧 🌐 Follow Utopia Martial Arts @utopiabjj📱 Connect with Ava on IG @ava.govek

In this episode of Inside the Wave, I sat down with Aaron Rindt—jiu-jitsu practitioner, coach, and longtime member of Utopia. Aaron’s journey is one of resilience and transformation, offering a candid glimpse into how martial arts shaped his life. We explored Aaron’s path from UFC-inspired curiosity to becoming a dedicated jiu-jitsu coach. Key themes include the struggle of balancing family life with training, the mental challenges during plateaus, and how jiu-jitsu provides a safe space for personal growth. Aaron shared his transition from student to coach, offering insights on mentorship and the importance of discipline. Aaron’s influence stretches beyond the mats—his dedication to building community and guiding teens reflects his commitment to fostering personal growth through jiu-jitsu. His ability to juggle life as a parent, coach, and mentor showcases how martial arts can seamlessly intertwine with everyday responsibilities. Whether you’re just starting jiu-jitsu or are deep in your martial arts journey, Aaron’s story is packed with lessons on persistence, growth, and accountability. Don’t miss this episode! Tune in now and discover how his experiences can inspire your own path. Learn more about Aaron and connect with him:📱 Aaron Rindt (@a_rindt)

In this episode of Inside the Wave, I had the pleasure of sitting down with my friend Dan LaSavage, the founder of Combat Corner, a company that has grown significantly since its inception in 2007. We delved into the fascinating journey of Combat Corner, from its humble beginnings in a small shop next to an Indian restaurant to its current status as a major player in the combat sports equipment industry, operating out of a 30,000 square foot facility and serving athletes worldwide. Dan's passion for combat sports extends beyond business. Combat Corner is deeply involved in the community, providing space and support for local organizations and youth programs. Their headquarters even hosts a gym built for nonprofits, offering free training for underserved areas in Milwaukee. This dedication to giving back highlights the company's mission to elevate the entire industry and support the next generation of athletes. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in combat sports, entrepreneurship, or community building. Dan's journey and insights are truly inspiring. Check out the full episode now and let us know your thoughts!You can check out Combat Corner's website here:🌐https://combatcorner.com/ Stay tuned for more exciting episodes!

In this episode of "Inside the Wave," I had the pleasure of interviewing Mark England, a communication and mindset coach from Enlifted Coaching. Mark shared his journey from being a former fighter with a victim mentality to becoming a coach who helps others transform their mindset through language and breath control. Mark discussed the importance of mindset and how it is the story we tell ourselves every day. He emphasized the impact of words and breath on our mindset, highlighting the significance of slowing down our rate of speech and using positive language to overcome plateaus and recognize progress. The conversation delved into the concept of the victim mentality and how soft talk, such as using words like "maybe" or "could," can hinder confidence and success. Mark introduced the idea of "four-stepping the progress" to track personal growth and increase confidence. The episode also touched on the practical application of mindset coaching in various aspects of life, including jiu-jitsu training, public speaking, and personal relationships. Mark emphasized the power of controlling our words to feel more in control of our lives and make positive changes. Listeners were encouraged to pay attention to their language, slow down their speech, and eliminate soft talk to gain clarity and control over their mindset. Mark's insights provided a valuable perspective on the transformative power of language and breath in shaping our thoughts and actions. Learn more about Mark and Enlifted at: https://enlifted.me/

Welcome to episode three of Inside the Wave! Today, I had the pleasure of sitting down with one of my dedicated students, Tanner Brooks. Tanner, who owns a tree cutting service, shared his journey into Jiu Jitsu and how it has impacted his life. Tanner recounted how he stumbled upon Jiu Jitsu through a Facebook ad offering a two-week free trial. Intrigued by the idea of trying something new and getting back into shape, Tanner decided to give it a shot. Despite initial nerves and feeling out of place in his basketball shorts among the gi-clad practitioners, Tanner found himself hooked on the art of Jiu Jitsu. Throughout the episode, Tanner shared insights into his training approach and mindset. He emphasized the importance of showing up consistently, seeking mentors, and being open to learning from others. Tanner's dedication to self-improvement and willingness to step out of his comfort zone have been key factors in his growth as a practitioner. We delved into Tanner's training routine, his favorite submissions (with a soft spot for the kimura), and his preference for no-gi training. Tanner also highlighted the significance of seeking mentors and engaging with educational content, such as philosophy podcasts and YouTube channels. In a heartfelt message to parents considering Jiu Jitsu for their children, Tanner encouraged them to take that first step onto the mat, emphasizing the transformative power of the art. Overall, Tanner's story serves as a testament to the transformative impact of Jiu Jitsu on both physical and mental well-being. His dedication, open-mindedness, and commitment to growth are inspiring reminders of the profound benefits that come from stepping onto the Jiu Jitsu mat. If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to leave us a five-star review and share the podcast with your friends. Thank you for tuning in to Inside the Wave with Tanner Brooks!

Welcome to the first episode of Inside the Wave with Perry Wirth, brought to you by Utopia. Today, we're delving into the heart of our mission at Utopia and exploring why our vision, coupled with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, is vital for our community. Join us as we share the inspiring journey of Coach Vern - a military veteran turned technologist, now the passionate Jiu-Jitsu head coach at Utopia. Vern shares his transformative experiences and how discovering his calling in Jiu-Jitsu led to significant personal growth and a positive shift in his life and those around him. This episode dives deep into the essence of purpose and discipline, and how it helps in battling complacency. We discuss the powerful Japanese concept of Ikigai and the unparalleled fulfillment found in pursuing true passions. Drawing parallels between Jiu-Jitsu and life's challenges, we highlight how this martial art teaches us to navigate through life's turbulent waves. We also explore how Jiu-Jitsu shapes the mindset of children, contrasting it with traditional team sports. Jiu-Jitsu instills a mindset of growth, focusing on learning from every experience rather than fearing failure. Delving deeper, we discuss Jiu-Jitsu's transformative power - not just as a sport but as a catalyst for overall personal development, community engagement, and lifelong learning. Coach Vern shares his personal journey with Jiu-Jitsu, highlighting the myriad benefits he's gained, including physical strength, mental resilience, and a sense of community. He also addresses the misconception that Jiu-Jitsu is universally suitable, acknowledging certain limitations for individuals with specific health conditions. We wrap up the episode reflecting on Utopia Academy's ethos - fostering future leaders and developing invaluable life skills in children through our distinctive programs. Tune in to discover how martial arts, particularly Jiu-Jitsu, can be a transformative force in personal growth and community development. Join us for an insightful journey inside Utopia's mission and the profound impact of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.