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Why Colleen Hoover's 'Verity' Needed a Campier Adaptation
Oct 7, 2026
1h 13m 11s
'The Love Hypothesis' Fails the Rom-Com Chemistry Test (with Linda Holmes)
Sep 30, 2026
1h 27m 32s
Fall’s Most Anticipated Book-to-Screen Adaptations
Sep 23, 2026
1h 08m 57s
'Practical Magic 2' Is a Cursed Adaptation of 'The Book of Magic'
Sep 16, 2026
1h 13m 56s
'Coyote vs. Acme' Is Looney Tunes for People Who Read The New Yorker
Sep 9, 2026
51m 41s
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| 10/7/26 | Why Colleen Hoover's 'Verity' Needed a Campier Adaptation | This week, Sophie and Rudi discuss “Verity,” a new film adaptation of Colleen Hoover’s twisty psychological thriller that stars Anne Hathaway, Dakota Johnson and Josh Hartnett.The Amazon MGM movie, which opened at No. 1 at the box office this past weekend, stars Hathaway (“The Odyssey”) as Verity Crawford, the writer of a famous thriller book series, whose husband (Josh Hartnett, “Oppenheimer”) enlists a younger writer, Lowen Ashleigh (Johnson, “Fifty Shades of Grey”), to help Verity finish the popular series after a car accident leaves her unable to write.Before they get to the book and film, Sophie recommends reading journalist Patrick Radden Keefe’s new book "London Falling” (00:01:38) and Rudi shares what it was like to spend a week seeing three pop star arena shows — Charli XCX, Phoebe Bridgers and Olivia Rodrigo — all of whom have music in page-to-screen adaptations this year (00:03:41).They begin their “Verity” chat by sharing their overall feelings on the film (00:09:50) and dig into the Colleen Hoover phenomenon and her growing cinematic universe (00:13:25). Then they discuss director Michael Showalter, who previously collaborated with Hathaway on the adaptation of “The Idea of You,” writer Nick Antosca (“Cape Fear”) and the film’s development (00:17:18) before diving in-depth into “Verity’s” twisty plot (00:19:43).Throughout their conversation, Sophie explains why this is a mostly faithful adaptation of the 2018 novel that still managed to leave out a few key details (and invent some unnecessary ones). They both share what they found frustrating about the film, what made them laugh, and whether or not “Verity” is as campy as it thinks it is.They debate the merits of Johnson as an actor (00:24:33) and fawn over the real-life house where much of the movie is set (00:29:19) before getting into the manuscript that sets the twists in motion (00:33:02) and the letter (00:52:16) that has ignited debate among fans (are you Team Manuscript or Team Letter?) and Hoover herself (00:54:16). Rudi shares his theory on a more interesting idea for an alternate ending (00:58:08), they briefly compare “Verity” to “The Housemaid” adaptation from 2025 (01:04:41) and discuss how Hathaway’s performance compares to the other four movies she starred in this year.Finally, Sophie shares her pick for what she enjoyed more: Reading Hoover’s writing or watching the film (01:09:50).Next week, we’re discussing the horror movie “Other Mommy,” which adapts Josh Malerman’s 2024 novel “Incidents Around the House.” The film, which stars Jessica Chastain, Jay Duplass, and Arabella Olivia Clark, opens in theaters this weekend.It Was A Book First is the podcast about new book-to-screen adaptations. Subscribe now to get new episodes delivered weekly on Wednesdays.Follow us on Instagram: @itwasabookfirstpodTikTok: @itwasabookfirstYouTube: @itwasabookfirstpodcastEmail: [email protected] and producers: Sophie Vershbow and Rudi GreenbergEditing: Rudi GreenbergSocial media: Sophie VershbowMusic: Cliff Blum and John Connelly; music production: Kevin PonsLogo: Trisha Louise PrietoWebsite: Kevin Pfab | 1h 13m 11s | ||||||
| 9/30/26 | 'The Love Hypothesis' Fails the Rom-Com Chemistry Test (with Linda Holmes) | This week, NPR pop culture correspondent Linda Holmes joins Sophie and Rudi to discuss “The Love Hypothesis,” Prime Video’s new streaming adaptation of Ali Hazelwood’s 2021 novel of the same name. The fake dating romantic comedy stars Lili Reinhart ("Riverdale") as PhD student Olive Smith and Tom Bateman as professor Dr. Adam Carlsen. Rachel Marsh and Jaboukie Young-White also star in the film, which was directed by Claire Scanlon (“Set It Up”) and adapted by screenwriter Sarah Rothschild. Before they discuss the book and film, they talk about rom-com adaptations and tropes with Linda, who co-hosts “Pop Culture Happy Hour” and has written three novels, including the rom-com “Back After This.” (00:02:39) Then, Sophie explores the origins of “The Love Hypothesis,” a BookTok hit that began in a galaxy far, far away as “Head Over Feet,” “Star Wars” fan fiction that shipped Rey (who was portrayed by Bateman’s wife, Daisy Ridley) and Kylo Ren (played by Adam Driver). (00:07:30)After discussing more rom-com tropes and setting up the story’s fake dating premise (00:10:00), Rudi details the film version and they give some general thoughts on the movie. (00:15:06)Throughout their discussion, Sophie shares the many differences from the book (00:22:45), what’s missing from the Adam character (00:26:40) and how the filmmakers approached adapting the book’s infamous Chapter 16 (00:38:00). Linda shares what she thought worked and didn’t work about the film in the context of other rom-coms; while Rudi and Sophie talk about their issues with the film’s tonal whiplash and the lack of chemistry between the two leads. They briefly discuss Amazon and Prime Video’s strategy of leaning into romance adaptations like “Off Campus” (and non-adapations like “Sterling Point”) (01:10:12) before they debate whether these stories work better as series instead of films (01:12:12)Linda then talks about how she’d like to see her own books get adapted, specifically her 2019 novel “Evvie Drake Starts Over,” which has been optioned for a potential adaptation. (01:16:56)Before wrapping up, Sophie reveals her Sophie’s Choice pick for which she liked better: Reading Hazelwood’s book or watching the Prime Video movie. (01:22:40) Finally, Linda offers her pick for a book she’d like to see get adapted for the screen: the 2004 Jennifer Crusie romance novel “Bet Me.” (01:23:56) Next week, we’re sticking to the romance genre but adding a psychological thriller element for “Verity,” Amazon MGM’s theatrical film adaptation of the 2018 Colleen Hoover book starring Anne Hathaway, Dakota Johnson and Josh Hartnett.It Was A Book First is the podcast about new book-to-screen adaptations. Subscribe now to get new episodes delivered weekly on Wednesdays.Follow us on Instagram: @itwasabookfirstpodTikTok: @itwasabookfirstYouTube: @itwasabookfirstpodcastEmail: [email protected] and producers: Sophie Vershbow and Rudi GreenbergGuest: Linda HolmesEditing: Rudi GreenbergSocial media: Sophie VershbowMusic: Cliff Blum and John Connelly; music production: Kevin PonsLogo: Trisha Louise PrietoWebsite: Kevin Pfab | 1h 27m 32s | ||||||
| 9/23/26 | Fall’s Most Anticipated Book-to-Screen Adaptations | This week, Sophie and Rudi look ahead to the book-to-screen adaptations they’re most anticipating watching this fall. From horror stories to new takes on Jane Austen, they picked 11 adaptations they can't wait to cover on the podcast before rapid-firing through some other adaptations they’re intrigued to see make the leap to the screen later this year.(00:02:38) “East of Eden,” Oct. 1, Netflix, based on the John Steinbeck novel(00:07:18) “Verity,” Oct. 2, theaters, based on the Colleen Hoover book(00:12:21) “Carrie,” Oct. 7, Prime Video, based on the Stephen King book(00:17:36) “Other Mommy,” Oct. 8, theaters, based on Josh Malerman’s “Incidents Around the House”(00:20:12) “Sense & Sensibility,” Oct. 16, theaters; “Pride & Prejudice,” Dec. 2, Netflix; both based, respectively, on Jane Austen novels(00:27:08) “Klara and the Sun,” Oct. 23, theaters, based on the Kazuo Ishiguro novel(00:31:15) “Victorian Psycho,” Nov. 13, theaters, based on the Virginia Feito novel(00:34:23) “The Hunger Games: Sunrise on the Reaping,” Nov. 20, theaters, based on the Suzanne Collins book(00:39:45) “Dig,” Nov 23, Peacock, based on “Excavations” by Kate Myers(00:42:22) “Dune: Part Three,” Dec. 18, theaters, based on “Dune Messiah” by Frank HerbertOther fall adaptations:(00:47:02) “Primetime,” Sept. 25, theaters; “You Can See Everything,” Oct. 16, theaters(00:50:51) “The Social Reckoning,” Oct. 9, theaters(00:52:56) “The Cat In the Hat,” Nov. 6, theaters; “Wildwood,” Oct. 23, theaters(00:55:08) “Whalefall,” Oct. 16, theaters(00:57:26) “The Further Mis-Adventures of Cliff Booth,” Nov. 23, IMAX theaters, Dec. 23, Netflix(00:59:36) “Guarding Stars,” Nov. 18, Netflix; “In a Holidaze,” Dec. 2, Netflix(01:00:58) “Wicker,” Oct. 23, theaters(01:02:10) “The Good Daughter,” Nov. 12, Peacock(01:03:27) “Harry Potter,” Dec. 25, HBONext week, we’re discussing “The Love Hypothesis,” a new streaming rom-com for Prime Video starring Lili Reinhart and Tom Bateman that’s based on Ali Hazelwood’s book of the same name, which was originally published as "Star Wars" fan fiction.It Was A Book First is the podcast about new book-to-screen adaptations. Subscribe now to get new episodes delivered weekly on Wednesdays.Follow us on Instagram: @itwasabookfirstpodTikTok: @itwasabookfirstYouTube: @itwasabookfirstpodcastEmail: [email protected] and producers: Sophie Vershbow and Rudi GreenbergEditing: Rudi GreenbergSocial media: Sophie VershbowMusic: Cliff Blum and John Connelly; music production: Kevin PonsLogo: Trisha Louise PrietoWebsite: Kevin Pfab | 1h 08m 57s | ||||||
| 9/16/26 | 'Practical Magic 2' Is a Cursed Adaptation of 'The Book of Magic' | This week, Sophie and Rudi discuss "Practical Magic 2,” the sequel to the witchy 1998 book-to-screen adaptation “Practical Magic,” starring Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman. The new film is an adaptation of writer Alice Hoffman’s “The Book of Magic,” the fourth and final book in her “Practical Magic” series.Bullock and Kidman reprise their roles as the cursed Owens sisters, as do Dianne Wiest and Stockard Channing, who play their aunts. The new sequel was directed by Susanne Bier and finds actors Joey King, Maisie Williams and Lee Pace joining the ensemble cast. This film catches us up with the Owens family of witches as they try to break a centuries-old curse.Before talking about curses and spells, Sophie recaps her trip to Italy and the book she read that she can’t stop thinking about, which we’ll be covering on the podcast this fall (00:01:51). Then she discusses a new profile she wrote on novelist Emily St. John Mandel for Elle, which you can read here (00:04:20).Rudi shares a few recent movie recommendations: one new (Joe Swanberg’s “The Sun Never Sets”) and one old (1960’s “Shoot the Piano Player”). (00:07:58) He briefly gushes over seeing Robyn in concert (00:11:01) before they chat about the Emmy Awards and how adaptations fared (not good) (00:13:50), as well as his thoughts on Apple TV’s “Widow’s Bay” (00:18:40).Then they get into "Practical Magic” and “Practical Magic 2,” starting with their history with the original film (00:21:18), the background behind Hoffman’s books and Sophie’s personal connection to the author (00:24:38). Then Rudi shares some details on the making of the first film (00:28:31) and they discuss why it has endured as a cozy fall cult classic (00:35:00).Sophie reveals some major differences between “The Book of Magic” and “Practical Magic 2” (00:40:00) before they walk through the shaggy plot (00:46:30) and share their thoughts on the new film which they both found to be boring, baffling and bad to look at.Finally, Sophie shares her Sophie’s Choice pick for which she liked better: reading “The Book of Magic” or watching “Practical Magic 2.” (01:10:30)Next week, we’re looking ahead to the rest of the year with a special episode previewing the adaptations we’re most anticipating reading, watching and covering on the podcast this fall.It Was A Book First is the podcast about new book-to-screen adaptations. Subscribe now to get new episodes delivered weekly on Wednesdays.Follow us on Instagram: @itwasabookfirstpodTikTok: @itwasabookfirstYouTube: @itwasabookfirstpodcastEmail: [email protected] and producers: Sophie Vershbow and Rudi GreenbergEditing: Rudi GreenbergSocial media: Sophie VershbowMusic: Cliff Blum and John Connelly; music production: Kevin PonsLogo: Trisha Louise PrietoWebsite: Kevin Pfab | 1h 13m 56s | ||||||
| 9/9/26 | Looney Tunesfilm discussion+4 | — | Warner Bros.Ketchup Entertainment+6 | — | Coyote vs. AcmeLooney Tunes+6 | — | 51m 41s | ||
| 9/2/26 | film adaptationpost-apocalyptic+5 | — | Ridley ScottThe Dog Stars+3 | — | The Dog StarsRidley Scott+7 | — | 1h 06m 11s | ||
| 8/26/26 | film adaptationAnthony Bourdain+3 | Tim Carman | Washington PostA24+6 | Provincetown, Mass | TonyKitchen Confidential+7 | — | 1h 12m 16s | ||
| 8/19/26 | costume designbook adaptations+3 | Whitney Anne Adams | The Great GatsbyThe Supremes at Earl’s All-You-Can-Eat+3 | — | costume designbook adaptations+4 | — | 1h 09m 06s | ||
| 8/12/26 | film adaptationscreenwriting+4 | Samy Burch | Magnolia PicturesLate Fame+2 | — | Samy BurchLate Fame+6 | — | 44m 55s | ||
| 8/5/26 | Apple TVfilm adaptation+4 | Roxana Hadadi | Cape FearThe Executioners+1 | — | Cape FearApple TV+5 | — | 1h 12m 23s | ||
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| 7/29/26 | film adaptationHomer's The Odyssey+4 | Kyle GervaisIl-Kweon Sir | Western UniversityThe Odyssey+3 | London, Ontario, Canada | Christopher NolanThe Odyssey+6 | — | 1h 03m 31s | ||
| 7/22/26 | film adaptationHomer+4 | — | The Odyssey | — | The OdysseyHomer+5 | — | 1h 34m 45s | ||
| 7/15/26 | Emmy nominationsbook-to-streaming adaptations+3 | Gary Goldstein | LA TimesHallmark+5 | — | Emmysstreaming adaptations+5 | — | 59m 37s | ||
| 7/8/26 | book-to-screen adaptationmurder mystery+4 | — | Amazon MGMThe Sheep Detectives+2 | — | The Sheep DetectivesThree Bags Full+6 | — | 57m 50s | ||
| 7/1/26 | 'Off Campus': The Art of Adapting 'The Deal' | On the fourth episode of It Was A Book First, the podcast about new book-to-screen adaptations, hosts Sophie Vershbow and Rudi Greenberg discuss “Off Campus,” Amazon Prime Video’s series adaptation of Elle Kennedy’s “The Deal,” the first book in her bestselling “Off Campus” series. The college-set streaming show follows the opposites attract romance between music major Hannah Wells (Ella Bright) and star hockey player Garrett Graham (Belmont Cameli).Before talking about the show, Sophie and Rudi share what else they watched recently: Apple TV’s “Widow’s Bay” (00:01:01) and two classic movies (00:03:15), “Chungking Express” and “Singin’ in the Rain.”Then they get into the background of “The Deal” and the TV show (00:07:21) before breaking down the first season of “Off Campus” (00:17:54) in a spoiler-filled chat that explores the differences between the book and the series. They discuss how the show is refreshingly anti-toxic masculinity (00:27:24), why it feeds into millennial nostalgia (00:36:49), how it compares to “Heated Rivalry” (00:38:28), and why TV is in its hockey romance era (00:42:49).Finally, Sophie makes her choice (01:06:42) for which she liked better: reading "The Deal" or watching “Off Campus.”Follow us on Instagram: @itwasabookfirstpodTikTok: @itwasabookfirstYouTube: @itwasabookfirstpodcastEmail us: [email protected] and Producers: Sophie Vershbow and Rudi GreenbergMusic by Cliff Blum and John Connelly; music production by Kevin PonsLogo by Trisha Louise PrietoWebsite by Kevin Pfab | 1h 11m 30s | ||||||
| 6/24/26 | 'The Testaments' and 'Backrooms' Explore Different Kinds of Horrors | On the third episode of It Was A Book First, the podcast about new book-to-screen adaptations, hosts Sophie Vershbow and Rudi Greenberg discuss "The Testaments," Hulu’s series adaptation of Margaret Atwood’s 2019 sequel to “The Handmaid’s Tale.” Created by Bruce Miller as a continuation of his “Handmaid’s Tale” series adaptation, “The Testaments” stars Chase Infiniti and Lucy Halliday as teenagers coming of age in the dystopian society Gilead.Before talking about the show, Sophie and Rudi have an extended chat (01:10) on A24’s Gen Z horror hit “Backrooms,” which is based on director and YouTuber Kane Parsons’ series of the same name, which is based on Internet creepypasta, which is based on an image of an abandoned office space.Then they break down the first season of “The Testaments” (18:25) in a spoiler-filled chat that explores what the show chooses to omit from the book and invent for the show, why leaning into “Bridgerton”-esque courting rituals doesn’t fit the source material, and how Infiniti and Halliday’s performances get stronger as the season goes on.Finally, Sophie makes her choice (50:23) for which she liked better: reading "The Testaments" or watching the series.New episodes of It Was A Book First drop on Wednesdays. Subscribe now to get them delivered weekly.Follow us on Instagram: @itwasabookfirstpodTikTok: @itwasabookfirstYouTube: @itwasabookfirstpodcastEmail us: [email protected] and Producers: Sophie Vershbow and Rudi GreenbergMusic by Cliff Blum and John Connelly; mix and production by Kevin PonsLogo by Trisha Louise PrietoWebsite by Kevin Pfab | 54m 41s | ||||||
| 6/17/26 | 'Margo's Got Money Troubles' Gets the Book (Mostly) Right | On the second episode of It Was A Book First, the podcast about new book-to-screen adaptations, hosts Sophie Vershbow and Rudi Greenberg discuss "Margo's Got Money Troubles," Apple TV's series adaptation of the 2024 Rufi Thorpe novel. Created by David E. Kelley, the show stars Elle Fanning as Margo, a recent college dropout and aspiring writer who turns to OnlyFans to provide for her newborn son.Before talking about the show, Sophie and Rudi share what they've been watching and reading lately: Lena Dunham's new memoir and a documentary on Martin Short.Then they break down the show's eight episodes in a spoiler-filled chat that explores why this series feels like a perfect union of the A24 and Apple TV aesthetics, how the ensemble cast that includes Michelle Pfeiffer, Nick Offerman, and Greg Kinnear elevate the material, and what the show gets right (and wrong) about social media.New episodes of It Was A Book First drop on Wednesdays. Subscribe now to get them delivered weekly.Follow us on Instagram: @itwasabookfirstpodTikTok: @itwasabookfirstYouTube: @itwasabookfirstpodcastEmail us: [email protected] and Producers: Sophie Vershbow and Rudi GreenbergMusic by Cliff Blum and John Connelly; mix and production by Kevin PonsLogo by Trisha Louise PrietoWebsite by Kevin Pfab | 57m 45s | ||||||
| 6/17/26 | 'Project Hail Mary' Is the Biggest Adaptation of 2026 … So Far | Welcome to the first episode of It Was A Book First, a new podcast about book-to-screen adaptations. Today, hosts Sophie Vershbow and Rudi Greenberg discuss one of the biggest and most successful adaptations of 2026, "Project Hail Mary." In directors Phil Lord and Christopher Miller's take on Andy Weir's 2021 novel of the same name, Ryan Gosling stars as a science teacher who wakes up on a spaceship alone and doesn't remember how he got there.Before they talk about "Project Hail Mary," Sophie and Rudi introduce themselves and the podcast and explore why book adaptations are having a moment right now.Then they have an in-depth and spoiler-filled conversation on what they liked and didn't like about "Project Hail Mary," what differed from the book, and what they thought of Gosling's performance. At the end of the episode, Sophie decides which she liked better: the book or the movie?New episodes of It Was A Book First drop on Wednesdays. Subscribe now to get them delivered weekly.Follow us on Instagram: @itwasabookfirstpodTikTok: @itwasabookfirstYouTube: @itwasabookfirstpodcastEmail us: [email protected] and Producers: Sophie Vershbow and Rudi GreenbergMusic by Cliff Blum and John Connelly; mix and production by Kevin PonsLogo by Trisha Louise PrietoWebsite by Kevin Pfab | 1h 24m 26s | ||||||
| 6/4/26 | Teaser: 'It Was A Book First' | Welcome to It Was A Book First, a new podcast about the book-to-screen adaptations everyone is talking about. Each week, culture reporters Sophie Vershbow and Rudi Greenberg will discuss a new book-to-screen adaptation, covering everything from how it got made to how readers are reacting to it. We’ll also talk to authors and industry insiders about how books actually go from page to screen.Our first two episodes drop on Wednesday, June 17th! Subscribe now to get new episodes delivered weekly. Follow us on Instagram: @itwasabookfirstpodTikTok: @itwasabookfirstYouTube: @itwasabookfirstpodcastEmail us at [email protected] | 1m 41s | ||||||
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Chart history for It Was A Book First
Peaked at #11 in United States, currently #11 in United States.
| Market | Genre | Peak | Current | Trend |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| United States | — | #11 | #11 | — |
| CO | — | #22 | #22 | — |
| Ireland | — | #31 | #31 | — |
| United States | — | #38 | #38 | — |
| CO | — | #42 | #42 | — |
| Canada | — | #45 | #45 | — |
| IL | — | #55 | #55 | — |
| PH | — | #56 | #56 | — |
| Netherlands | — | #58 | #58 | — |
| Australia | — | #60 | #60 | — |
| Ireland | — | #85 | #85 | — |
| New Zealand | — | #91 | #91 | — |
| IL | — | #107 | #107 | — |
| PH | — | #120 | #120 | — |
| Canada | — | #124 | #124 | — |
| TW | — | #145 | #145 | — |
| AR | — | #151 | #151 | — |
| Australia | — | #156 | #156 | — |
| Norway | — | #161 | #161 | — |
| South Korea | — | #173 | #173 | — |
Chart Positions
22 placements across 14 markets.
Chart Positions
22 placements across 14 markets.