
Episode 151: Judith Thurman - Writing at "The New Yorker"
From Keep Talking by Dan Riley
October 17, 2025 · 45 min
About this episode
Judith Thurman discusses her writing career and experiences at The New Yorker.
Judith Thurman is a staff writer at "The New Yorker," and the author of many books, including "Isak Dinesen: The Life of a Storyteller " and " Secrets of the Flesh: A Life of Colette." ------------ Keep Talking Substack Spotify Apple Podcasts Social media and all episodes ------------ (00:00) “How’d you get to be that thing you are?”—origin story (02:18) Precocious reader, teacher mom, “foreordained” to write (04:52) Yes-and-no confidence; from drivel to good (07:10) Poet in Europe: barmaid, tutor, no money (09:48) 1970s NYC—dangerous, electric, cheap rent, first bylines (12:22) Nation → Ms. magazine → journalism takes off (14:05) Knocking on The New Yorker’s door; Gottlieb says yes (16:40) How a New Yorker piece gets made—editors, rewrites, heat (19:12) Subjects and boundaries: strong & “lost” women (21:58) Emily Wilson to Vanessa Beecroft; fasting spa detour (24:41) Writing (against) Gertrude Stein; Handmaid’s Tale hindsight (27:20) Why Stein’s “cult” endures—salon as tourist attraction (29:58) Anne Frank’s freedom to feel; the monumental annotation (32:36) Amelia Earhart—image-making, legend, and dying young (34:28) Biographies as marriages; choosing a life to live with…
People in this episode
Host: Dan Riley
Guest: Judith Thurman
Topics covered
- writing
- journalism
- literature
- biography
- feminism
- cultural commentary
Keywords
- Judith Thurman
- The New Yorker
- writing
- journalism
- biography
- feminism
- literature
- Gertrude Stein
- Anne Frank
- Amelia Earhart
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: The New Yorker
Books & works: Isak Dinesen: The Life of a Storyteller, Secrets of the Flesh: A Life of Colette, Handmaid’s Tale
Places: Kenya
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