The Church Isn’t Perfect, But Jesus Still Is // Natalie Runion

About this episode

Natalie Runion discusses healing from church hurt while remaining rooted in Jesus.

In this heartfelt episode, we sit down with Natalie Runion, author, pastor, and founder of Raised to Stay , to talk about the real and often painful journey of healing from church hurt while staying rooted in Jesus. Together, we unpack what it means to deconstruct without destroying, to discern when it’s time to leave a toxic system, and to rebuild faith and community with integrity. We explore how leaders can slow down, lead with humility, and create safe spaces where grace and truth can coexist. Whether you’re a pastor, a church member, or someone who’s walked away for a season, this conversation offers hope, honesty, and a way forward. Key Takeaways Abiding over performing: Staying isn’t about remaining in a specific church—it’s about remaining in Christ, even through disillusionment. Healthy leaders go slow: True character is formed through time, mentorship, and accountability—not through platform or performance. Deconstruction can lead to rebuilding: When guided by the Spirit, untangling from religious culture can bring us closer to the heart of Jesus. Recognize toxicity vs. humanity: It’s wise—and sometimes holy—to walk away from spiritually abusive or narcissistic…

People in this episode

Hosts: Jeff Mattson, Terra Mattson

Guest: Natalie Runion

Topics covered

• church hurt
• healing
• faith
• leadership
• community
• deconstruction

Keywords

• church
• healing
• deconstruction
• leadership
• faith
• community
• toxic systems

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Raised to Stay

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