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#59: It’s Hard & Not Hard | Transitions & Building the Right Team feat. Jay Haugh
Jun 15, 2026
1h 03m 53s
#58: Were the Spice Girls a Good Team? | Team Dynamics, Goals & Running Lanes feat. Salina Gordon & AJ Williams
May 15, 2026
37m 32s
#57: You Can’t Declare “Safe” | Becoming Safe(r) feat. BrianJames McMahon
May 1, 2026
30m 49s
#56: Leading From the 2nd Chair | An Executive Pastor’s Perspective feat. Starla Smith
Apr 15, 2026
1h 10m 08s
#55: Who Are You Discipling? | Asking for a Friend feat. Timmy Hensel & Melissa Brotherton
Mar 15, 2026
1h 19m 08s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
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| 6/15/26 |  #59: It’s Hard & Not Hard | Transitions & Building the Right Team feat. Jay Haugh | You might have a good team, but is it the right team? In this episode, we sit down with Pastor Jay Haugh to discuss his journey of stepping into the role as a first-time senior pastor in a brand new city, and the practical insight he’s gained through the seasons of assessing and building ministry teams, identifying leadership gaps and ultimately prioritizing character over charisma. Brenton & Jay also bond over their workout routines, so let’s get to it! Resources Highlighted ... | 1h 03m 53s | ||||||
| 5/15/26 |  #58: Were the Spice Girls a Good Team? | Team Dynamics, Goals & Running Lanes feat. Salina Gordon & AJ Williams✨ | team dynamicsgoals+3 | Salina GordonAJ Williams | Spice Girls | — | team dynamicsSpice Girls+3 | — | 37m 32s | |
| 5/1/26 |  #57: You Can’t Declare “Safe” | Becoming Safe(r) feat. BrianJames McMahon✨ | safetypastoring+3 | BrianJames McMahon | Church Well Co | — | safe spacepastoring+3 | — | 30m 49s | |
| 4/15/26 |  #56: Leading From the 2nd Chair | An Executive Pastor’s Perspective feat. Starla Smith✨ | leadershipexecutive pastor+4 | Starla Smith | — | — | leadershipexecutive pastor+4 | — | 1h 10m 08s | |
| 3/15/26 |  #55: Who Are You Discipling? | Asking for a Friend feat. Timmy Hensel & Melissa Brotherton✨ | discipleshipministry leadership+3 | Timmy HenselMelissa Brotherton | — | — | disciplingministry+3 | — | 1h 19m 08s | |
| 2/15/26 |  #54: Always Another Side to the Story | Positivity & Perspective From Kid’s Ministry feat. Lesli Klingenmeier✨ | Children's Ministrybi-vocational ministry+4 | Lesli Klingenmeier | Children’s Ministrydenominational leader | — | Children's Ministrybi-vocational ministry+4 | — | 1h 06m 42s | |
| 1/15/26 |  #53: Love Hard | The Cost of Truly Loving Well feat. Antonio Sims✨ | loveministry+3 | Antonio Sims | Foursquare Central DistrictFoursquare | — | love hardministry+5 | — | 1h 14m 22s | |
| 12/15/25 |  #52: Don’t Hit Cruise Control | Stop Paying Your Insecurity Bill feat. Chad Halverson✨ | ministryinsecurity+3 | Chad Halverson | — | — | ministryinsecurity+3 | — | 1h 11m 04s | |
| 11/15/25 |  #51: Which Bull in the Draw? | The Adventure of God’s Church feat. Jesse Lambert✨ | ministrychurch planting+3 | Jesse Lambert | — | — | ministrybull riding+3 | — | 1h 17m 20s | |
| 10/15/25 |  #50: Never on a Hill Alone | Learning to Lay It Down feat. Timmy Hensel✨ | self-awarenessleadership+3 | Timmy Hensel | — | — | laying downsabbatical+3 | — | 1h 13m 08s | |
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| 9/30/25 |  #49: Stand in the Gap | A Long Obedience in NextGen Ministry feat. Joe Martin✨ | NextGen Ministryobedience to God+3 | Joe Martin | — | — | NextGen Ministryobedience+3 | — | 1h 13m 28s | |
| 9/15/25 |  #48: Imagination Building | A Soul Check feat. BrianJames McMahon✨ | imaginationcreativity+3 | BrianJames McMahon | — | — | imaginationcreativity+3 | — | 40m 20s | |
| 8/15/25 |  #47: Your Voice is Important | Nonexclusive Image-bearers of Christ feat. Melissa Brotherton✨ | Women in Ministry LeadershipFemale Lead Pastor+3 | Melissa Brotherton | — | — | Women in MinistryLead Pastor+3 | — | 1h 00m 41s | |
| 7/30/25 |  #46: The Power of Lament | A Soul Check feat. BrianJames McMahon | Ministry leaders will experience levels of pain, grief and relational struggle that most others will not–it just comes with the territory. What if instead of powering through, withdrawing from or finding ways to cope, we just took time to lament it instead? In this Soul Check episode, our friend BrianJames McMahon returns to unpack how powerful lament can be in our ministry journeys. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Church Well Co WebsiteBrianJames Therapy WebsiteSLOW JournalCon... | 33m 36s | ||||||
| 7/15/25 |  #45: Resenting Easter | A Shop Talk About Ministry Holidays & Events | Did that get your attention? No, this episode isn’t an anti-easter manifesto. It’s a roundtable discussion on the highs and lows, pros and cons and practical approaches to the ministry calendar–specifically the big holidays and ministry events. Let’s talk about the pain points that come along with these, and how we can experience fruitfulness in events without hating it. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Gloo Text Message ResourceConnect w/ Billy at http://innovationchurch.ccGues... | 55m 07s | ||||||
| 6/15/25 |  #44: There’s Grace For That | Formation > Ministry Assignment feat. Sal & Krystal Bono | Have you ever said, “I am going to make this work, or die trying”? According to Pastors Sal & Krystal Bono, that’s probably the worst thing you can say within ministry. In this episode, the Bonos get candid about the pain from messy transitions, the death of a ministry dream and even being houseless for a season. But through all of these humbling experiences, Sal & Krystal also share the hope they have found to keep going by realizing, “there’s grace for that.” Also, the episode... | 1h 22m 01s | ||||||
| 5/15/25 |  #43: I Called You to Serve My House | Keeping Ministry Simple feat. Jordan Wall | If God chooses the foolish things to shame the wise, then what does that say about me? According to Pastor Jordan Wall, it’s actually pretty simple. In this episode Jordan shares how his story formed a simple approach to his ministry, regardless of the assignment, and how that shifts the fluctuations of ministry from targets to dashboards. Simple. Resources Highlighted in this Interview: Connect further with Jordan at revitalizechurch.lifeGuest Bio: Jordan Wall is a husband and fa... | 1h 12m 49s | ||||||
| 4/15/25 |  #42: Get Into Somebody’s Orbit | Ministering & Being Ministered To feat. Johnny McCallister | Statistically, the number of ministry leaders struggling with their identity, calling and confidence in ministry is growing, and they are feeling more and more isolated. In this episode, Pastor and Executive Director Johnny McCallister unpacks how ministry leaders need each other more than ever before. Johnny shares keys for resiliency learned from over 30 years of ministry, tools for ministering to others, and what it looks like to allow yourself to be ministered to as well. We also discover... | 1h 20m 39s | ||||||
| 3/15/25 |  #41: Stewarding People | Discipling, Developing & Deploying Others feat. Beth Hackbarth | How does knowing who you’ve been created to be as a leader directly impact your effectiveness in discipling others? Pastor and denominational leader, Beth Hackbarth, sits down for a conversation with us to share how her own journey of self-discovery opened up a new level for her in leading others. In this episode, we also talk about what the long game of developing people and leaders in our care looks like, and the impacts of being less loosy-goosy and more strategic in our approach to discip... | 1h 17m 25s | ||||||
| 2/15/25 |  #40: Add “Interim” to Your Job Title | Integrated Missiology feat. Peter Henderson | Is it your “ministry”, or your “mission assignment”? Distinguishing this small, yet profound detail has made all the difference for our guest, Pastor Peter Henderson. In this episode, Peter shares how being a survivor of the Columbine thrust him into Pastoral Ministry as a teen–leading him to become a Senior Pastor in his 20’s, the wisdom gained from being a young leader in a healthy transition, and how his passion for being on mission together with Jesus creates a culture of integrated missi... | 1h 16m 16s | ||||||
| 1/15/25 |  #39: Rest on the Fact of Freedom | Persistence & Reimagining Ministry feat. Jared Ballenger | We’re back! And for our first episode of Season Four we’re visited by Pastor and Non-Profit Leader, Jared Ballenger. In this conversation Jared shares why the word “ministry” has always been spelled “w-o-r-k” (and how that’s not a negative thing), finding freedom on the other side of burnout and the incredible work of rescuing children from human trafficking that he gets to be a part of with Destiny Rescue. It’s a chill interview, so sit down with us! Resources Highlighted in this Interview:... | 1h 14m 06s | ||||||
| 12/17/24 |  #38: Renegades, Not Rebels | Reframing Your Questions with Ministry Pain feat. BrianJames McMahon | At its core, experiencing pain simply means that something is off. And oftentimes, we think pain is bad. And sometimes it is. And sometimes it can be really useful. In our Season 3 Finale, therapist and pastor, BrianJames McMahon, unpacks for us how being honest and lamenting his own pain changed everything for him–including stepping out of vocational ministry. It’s possible to not fear pain, wrestle with lament, and bravely face the possibility of leaving a ministry, with hope–and without ha... | 1h 19m 50s | ||||||
| 11/30/24 |  #37: So, We Can Hate It? | Ministry Without Apathy feat. Tim Lee | As ministry leaders, there are things about ministry that we hate, and that’s ok. It only took us 37 episodes to get to that, but here we are for a conversation with pastor, professor, fellow podcaster and friend, Tim Lee. In this episode Tim gets reflective on his own recent journey of deconstructing what ministry is vs. what he’s always known, the truth that we are still not healthy after all that happened in 2020, and why apathy is actually the greatest threat to anything we do. It’s a rea... | 1h 18m 15s | ||||||
| 11/15/24 |  #36: Soul Check | The Journey of Sexual Purity feat. Robby Booth | As leaders, we must face the reality that we will all journey with sexual sin and purity, whether personally, and/or with others. In this episode, Robby Booth breaks down how this journey isn’t just about sex, but rather about wounded-ness in hearts. Robby also gives practical tools to combat treating our sexuality like soup, and living fully in the transformation God gives. Don’t give up your birthright! It’s time for a Soul Check, an open discussion with ministry leaders and mental h... | 1h 03m 41s | ||||||
| 10/15/24 |  #35: It May Be the Last Time | Perspective & Joy for Hard Ministry feat. Zach & Caitlin Thomas | How do you keep the “why” of ministry at the forefront of your ministry? Sometimes it takes a healthy dose of perspective of another leader’s reality. This episode with NextGen Leaders, Zach & Caitlin Thomas, may be one of those moments. In this interview they share how they’ve been able to see fruit in their inner city student ministries, the gospel burden every ministry leader should carry, and the importance of stepping back and saying, “But Look What God Did!” We also finally answer t... | 1h 15m 02s | ||||||
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