Modern Musician Podcast

Chris Swanson is the co-founder of Secretly Group, the influential independent music company behind labels including Secretly Canadian, Jagjaguwar, Dead Oceans, and The Numero Group. Since co-founding Secretly Canadian in 1996, Chris has helped shape the modern indie label ecosystem and built Secretly Distribution into a global force for independent artists. He’s worked with groundbreaking acts like Bon Iver and has spent nearly three decades helping artists balance creativity, commerce, and long-term career sustainability in a rapidly evolving music industry.In this episode, Chris breaks down how independent artists can navigate record labels, digital distribution, AI, and self-promotion—without losing their creativity or community.Key Takeaways:Learn why major label advances come with high expectations—and how indie labels can offer stronger long-term career development.Discover how DSPs have democratized music, what that means for independent music growth, and how to approach self-promotion strategically.Understand how to manage expectations, avoid “radical doubt,” and use AI as a tool without losing artistic identity.---→ Learn more about Chris Swanson and his work at: ckswanson.com.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Chris SD is an award-winning music producer and sync licensing expert who helps indie songwriters get their music placed in top TV shows, films, and advertisements. After producing acclaimed records and winning multiple music awards, he discovered that a single well-placed song could radically change an artist’s career and income. That realization led him to found Sync Songwriter, a platform dedicated to teaching independent artists how to license their music and connect directly with leading music supervisors, agencies, and studios worldwide.In this episode, Chris breaks down exactly how indie songwriters can turn their music into consistent sync income—without a label or industry gatekeepers.Key TakeawaysHow sync licensing really works and why it’s one of the most powerful income streams for indie artistsThe exact mindset and strategies music supervisors look for when choosing songsHow to build real industry relationships that lead to repeat placements---→ Learn more about Chris and his work at syncsongwriter.com.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Libby Kallins is a seasoned music marketing strategist and artist development expert now shaping careers at 444 Sounds. With more than eight years of experience across major labels, she has built campaigns for both rising and established talent. Today, Libby empowers independent artists by merging creative storytelling with data-driven strategy, helping them strengthen their branding, deepen fan engagement, and scale community-driven growth. Her work bridges digital innovation with authentic connection, giving indie artists the tools they need to thrive in an ever-shifting music landscape.In this episode, Libby reveals how independent artists can leverage storytelling, community building, and strategic platform choice to accelerate their careers in today’s digital-first music ecosystem.Key TakeawaysHow to identify the right digital platforms and use trial-and-error to discover what actually grows your fanbase.How to build a loyal community through authentic content, collaborative creation, and meaningful fan engagement.How to strengthen your brand by clarifying your story—and why email and text lists are crucial for long-term sustainability.---→ Learn more about Libby and her work at: 444sounds.com.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Andreea Magdalina is the founder & CEO of shesaid.so, a global community uniting music, tech, and equity. With 18 international chapters and over 12,000 members, she builds ecosystems that empower underrepresented creatives. Her work spans strategic partnerships with companies like Microsoft, Spotify, and TikTok, Coachella’s innovation team, and the development of equity-first mentorship programs that help artists navigate an ever-evolving digital landscape. Andreea’s mission is to redesign the music industry through collaboration, innovation, and community-driven support for the next generation of artists.In this episode, Andreea reveals how artists can build authentic, tech-savvy communities that actually move their careers forward.Key Takeaways:How to build a meaningful audience using quality over quantity, collaboration, and intentional connection.Creative ways to use content experimentation, livestreaming, and gaming to cultivate real fan engagement.Why artists shouldn’t fear technology—and how leveraging new tools can unlock monetization, visibility, and lasting community.---→ Learn more about Andreea and her work at: shesaid.so.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Andy Baker is the founder of Sound Consultancy, a UK-based artist development agency under Resound Media. Since 2010, he’s been helping independent musicians craft great records, strengthen their brands, and promote their music on their own terms. As the creator of Rocket Fuel, Andy has helped artists raise over $1 million to fund albums, tours, and creative projects—empowering them to build sustainable careers without relying on traditional labels.In this episode, Andy shares how independent artists can take back control of their careers through ownership, planning, and community-building.Key Takeaways:How to design a crowdfunding campaign that actually converts fans into supportersWhy having a clear mission, offer, and audience is essential for long-term successThe proven framework that helps artists stay “in the driver’s seat” of their music career---→ Learn more about Andy and Rocket Fuel, visit rocketfuelhq.com.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Jesse Kirshbaum is the powerhouse founder and CEO of Nue Agency, a creative firm redefining the intersection of music, branding, and technology. Known for shaping cultural movements through platforms like SoundCtrl and CRWN, Jesse has championed artist-driven storytelling that bridges creators, culture, and brands. With his acclaimed newsletter Beats + Bytes, he’s become one of LinkedIn’s most influential voices in music-tech, offering deep insights into where the creator economy is headed. His work continues to empower artists to innovate, collaborate, and stand out in a noisy digital world.In this episode, Jesse Kirshbaum shares how indie artists can break through the noise by thinking like brands, building authentic communities, and harnessing cultural trends to create lasting impact.Key Takeaways:Discover how to position yourself as a brand that attracts opportunities, not just streams.Learn how to leverage storytelling, partnerships, and context to create career-defining moments.Understand why curiosity, consistency, and collaboration are essential in the evolving creator economy.---→ Learn more about Jesse and his work at Nue Agency at nueagency.com.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Allison Moore is the Vice President of Marketing at Splash Music, where she leads groundbreaking initiatives that fuse music, gaming, and fan engagement. With over a decade of experience spanning Sony Music Entertainment and SoundCloud, she’s built artist-first platforms, launched global content strategies, and pioneered immersive digital campaigns. Recognized as an industry innovator, Allison continues to shape the future of music discovery and interaction—where fans don’t just listen to music, they play, co-create, and live it through dynamic, tech-driven experiences like Splash and We Mixed.In this episode, Allison Moore shares how Splash Music is redefining the fan-artist connection through gaming, interactivity, and co-creation in the digital age.Key Takeaways:How Splash Music built the world’s largest music game on Roblox—transforming fan engagement into a playful, immersive experience.Why co-creation tools like We Mixed empower fans to collaborate creatively with artists—without needing advanced tech skills. The future of authentic artist-fan relationships in gaming, digital, and social spaces—and how technology can amplify creativity rather than replace it.---→ Learn more about Allison and Splash Music’s work at splashmusic.com.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Jay Gilbert is a veteran music-industry executive turned independent strategist and creator. After years on the road as a musician, he held leadership roles at Universal Music, Sony, and Warner—most notably as VP of New Media & Online Marketing at Universal Music Enterprises—before co-founding the consultancy Label Logic. Today he publishes the influential Your Morning Coffee newsletter, co-hosts multiple industry podcasts, guest-lectures at UCLA, USC, and Columbia, mentors through GrammyU, and continues his creative work as a photographer and educator, helping artists and teams navigate a fast-changing, digital-first music business.From AI and algorithms to old-school storytelling, Jay breaks down what actually works now in music marketing—and how indie artists can build community, momentum, and sustainable revenue without selling their soul.Key Takeaways:Build true fans, not vanity metrics: Turn audience insights into a compelling narrative and consistent engagement across platforms and live shows.Monetize beyond streams: Use premium merch/vinyl, live experiences, memberships, and sync to create multiple, fan-aligned revenue streams.Decide with data (and smart AI): Read platform analytics, run simple tests, and double-down on what moves the needle—plus where AI tools really help.---→ Learn more about Jay and his work at: label-logic.net.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Grayson Sanders is the founder of Chordal, a groundbreaking music rights technology company redefining the future of licensing and sync. With its patent-pending InstantClear pre-clearance technology, already adopted by top music companies including Primary Wave, Reservoir Media, Nettwerk, Mad Decent, Believe, Sentric Publishing, and Neon Gold Records, Chordal streamlines one of the industry’s most complex pain points: clearing music rights quickly and accurately at scale. A former composer turned entrepreneur, Grayson is a visionary voice demystifying music licensing in the age of AI and the creator economy.In this episode, Grayson Sanders shares how AI, sync licensing, and platforms like Chordal are reshaping the future of music rights for independent artists and the creator economy.Key Takeaways:Learn how independent artists can prepare their catalogs to unlock sync licensing opportunities.Discover how AI and generative technology are challenging—and creating new solutions for—music rights management.Explore how Chordal’s InstantClear and upcoming API are making licensing faster, more transparent, and more accessible.---→ Learn more about Grayson and Chordal at chordal.com.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Romain Vivien is the Global Head of Music and President of Europe at Believe, one of the world’s leading digital music companies supporting independent artists and labels. With nearly 30 years of experience, including senior leadership roles at Virgin and EMI, Romain has been instrumental in shaping Believe’s global music strategy across 50+ markets. A passionate advocate for fairness and transparency, he continues to champion artist development, identity, and storytelling as essential pillars for success in today’s rapidly evolving music industry.In this episode, Romain shares how independent artists can thrive in a digital-first music landscape by leaning into authenticity, storytelling, and the power of local music movements.Key Takeaways:Why understanding and defining your artist identity is the foundation for growth.How digital platforms are reshaping opportunities for independent artists.The future of music trends, including the rise of local artists and diverse genres.---→ Learn more about Romain and Believe at believe.com.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Alexia Erlichman is the co-founder of MusicGorilla.com, a leading commercial marketplace that connects independent musicians with labels, publishers, and licensing opportunities across TV, film, advertising, and gaming. With a career spanning over a decade in the entertainment industry—including roles at Miramax Films, Tribeca Productions, and Creative Film Management—Alexia blends deep industry expertise with a passion for empowering independent artists. An NYU graduate and advocate for the indie movement, she continues to create opportunities for musicians worldwide, running MusicGorilla alongside her husband Lawrence from the Northeast.In this episode, Alexia shares how independent musicians can cut through the noise, land sync opportunities, and thrive in today’s evolving music industry.Key Takeaways:How to position your music for sync licensing opportunities in TV, film, and advertising.Why building an engaging live performance can accelerate your fan growth and career.How artists can leverage feedback, technology, and platforms like MusicGorilla to gain exposure.---→ Discover more opportunities for your music at MusicGorilla.com.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast

Paul Sampson is the Founder and CEO of Lickd, a pioneering music licensing platform that empowers content creators to legally use mainstream music in their videos without copyright risks. With more than a decade of leadership experience in sync licensing at companies like Extreme Music and Music Dealers, Paul has played a key role in bridging the gap between rights holders and the creator economy. Under his leadership, Lickd has partnered with over 10,000 labels and publishers, offering creators access to a vast library of popular chart music.In this episode, Paul Sampson reveals how Lickd is transforming music licensing for creators and explores the future of music in the age of generative AI.Key Takeaways:Discover how Lickd is revolutionizing access to mainstream music for creators and brands.Learn why emotional connection in music remains irreplaceable, even with AI’s rapid rise. Explore the future of user-generated content and what it means for the music industry.---→ Learn more about Paul and Lickd at https://lickd.co/.Book an Artist Breakthrough Session with the Modern Musician team: https://apply.modernmusician.me/podcast