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Weaponized Scripture: Does Suffering in Silence Save Your Marriage? 1 Peter 3 with Bruce C. E. Fleming
Jun 22, 2026
55m 12s
Weaponized Scripture: Sexual Intimacy or Spiritual Coercion: Rethinking 1 Cor. 7 with Dr. Jake Porter
Jun 15, 2026
1h 04m 50s
Clarifying What God Says About Divorce in Scripture with Gretchen Baskerville
Jun 8, 2026
53m 16s
Weaponizing Scripture: A Focus on Forgiveness, True Repentance & Reconciliation with Dr. Steven R. Tracy
Jun 1, 2026
59m 27s
This Isn't Your Parent's PDA
May 25, 2026
58m 18s
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| 6/22/26 | ![]() Weaponized Scripture: Does Suffering in Silence Save Your Marriage? 1 Peter 3 with Bruce C. E. Fleming | Today, Dr. Stephanie is solo, but NDCC welcomes back the Reverend Bruce C. E. Fleming, the Host of The Eden Podcast and co-founder of the Tru316 Foundation. His website is Tru316.com. A former Academic Dean and professor of Practical Theology in French-speaking Africa, he is the author of The Eden Book Series that builds on the research of his wife, former Old Testament Professor and full-time clinical psychologist, Dr. Joy Fleming. We will be asking him to share with us life-changing insights Because of Eden 1 Corinthians 11 & 14 and 1 Peter 3.We go back to Genesis- your view of Genesis 2 & 3 will color your view of other Scripture on men, women, and marriage. We need to TRU up the verse of Genesis 3:16.Please check out his resources and podcast: https://tru316.com/trubooks/ Bruce has featured Dan and Stephanie on The Eden Podcast, and he is a returning guest with us now. | 55m 12s | ||||||
| 6/15/26 | ![]() Weaponized Scripture: Sexual Intimacy or Spiritual Coercion: Rethinking 1 Cor. 7 with Dr. Jake Porter | In this episode, Dan and Stephanie sit down with Dr. Jake Porter for a thoughtful and honest conversation about one of the most debated — and often weaponized — passages in Christian marriage discussions: 1 Corinthians 7.What did Paul actually mean when he wrote about marital intimacy? How has this passage been misused to justify pressure, coercion, and “duty sex” within Christian relationships? And what happens when mutuality, context, and the heart of the Gospel are stripped away from the conversation?Together, they unpack the historical and relational context of Paul’s words, explore the difference between covenant and control, and discuss how Scripture can be applied in ways that either foster safety and connection or deepen shame and harm.This episode is not about dismissing Scripture. It is about reading it carefully, relationally, and in the spirit it was intended.Topics include:Weaponized Scripture in marriage“Duty sex” and coercive interpretationsMutuality and consent in 1 Corinthians 7What Dr. Stephanie has heard in her NeuroDiverse Couples' WorkIs there such a thing as the sin of withholding?What Paul was addressing in the Corinthian churchHow pastors and couples can approach these conversations with wisdom and careA nuanced conversation about theology, relationships, and the difference between biblical intimacy and spiritual pressure. About Dr. Jake Porter:https://www.daringventures.com/Scripturally, Pastorally & Clinically Trained:EducationB.A., Elmira College, triple majors in Psychology, Music, Philosophy & ReligionM.Div., Southwestern Baptist Theological SeminaryTh.M. in Spirituality & Ethics, The Southern Baptist Theological SeminaryM.Ed. in Clinical Mental Health Counseling, Lamar UniversityEd.D., The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Dissertation: Affective Social Neurobiology & Student Formation: A Transdisciplinary Multimethod StudyProfessional Memberships & AffiliationsLead Professor for the Doctor of Professional Counseling Program & Assistant Professor of Counseling, Kairos UniversityFaculty, International Institute of Trauma and Addiction ProfessionalsMember, Division 47 of the APA: Society for Sport, Exercise and Performance PsychologyMember, Division 43 of the APA: Society for Couple and Family PsychologyMember, Division 8 of the APA: Society for Personality and Social PsychologyMember, Society for the Advancement of Sexual HealthProfessional ServiceFounder & President, The International Association of Couple–Centered Recovery®Board of Directors, The Association of Partners of Sex Addiction Trauma Specialists (APSATS)Board of Directors, Christian Sex Addiction Specialists International (C-SASI)Professor of Counseling, Kairos University's Houston Graduate School of TheologyLicensure & CertificationsLicensed Professional Counselor, State of Texas (#78173)Licensed Clinical Professional Counselor, State of Montana (#76171)Board Certified Counselor, National Board for Certified CounselorsCertified Sex Addiction Therapist – Supervisor, International Institute for Trauma and Addiction ProfessionalsCertified Multiple Addiction Therapist, International Institute for Trauma and Addiction ProfessionalsCertified Clinical Partner Specialist, The Association for Partners of Sex Addicts Trauma SpecialistsCertified Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy Provider, The Integrative Psychiatry Institute Licensed Psilocybin Facilitator (FL-12de7070), State of OregonCertified Clinical Trauma Professional, International Association of Trauma ProfessionalsAdvanced TrainingsCoachRICE Executive Leadership Coach Training, Rice UniversityPACT Level III (Psychological Approach to Couple Therapy)Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (AEDP) Level IGottman Couple Therapy Level IEMDR Level I (EMDRIA–Approved Training)Emotionally Focused Therapy (Externship, Core Skills 1-4)Post–Induction Therapy (The Meadows Model), Pia Mellody | 1h 04m 50s | ||||||
| 6/8/26 | ![]() Clarifying What God Says About Divorce in Scripture with Gretchen Baskerville✨ | divorcescripture interpretation+5 | Gretchen Baskerville | Life-Saving Divorce | Los AngelesMalachi+2 | divorcescripture+5 | — | 53m 16s | |
| 6/1/26 | ![]() Weaponizing Scripture: A Focus on Forgiveness, True Repentance & Reconciliation with Dr. Steven R. Tracy✨ | spiritual abuseforgiveness+5 | Dr. Steven R. Tracy | CBE InternationalTo Harm or To Heal: The Bible and Its Use in Counseling+1 | — | spiritual abuseforgiveness+8 | — | 59m 27s | |
| 5/25/26 | ![]() This Isn't Your Parent's PDA✨ | Pathological Demand AvoidanceRejection Sensitivity+5 | — | — | — | PDArejection sensitivity+6 | — | 58m 18s | |
| 5/18/26 | ![]() Autism in Adulthood: Functional & Adaptive Communication Skills with Dr. Celine Saulnier✨ | autismadaptive skills+3 | Dr. Celine Saulnier | Vineland Adaptive Behavior Scales, Third EditionEssentials of Autism Spectrum Disorders Evaluation and Assessment+4 | — | autismadaptive skills+6 | — | 1h 00m 26s | |
| 5/11/26 | ![]() The Misunderstood Mind with Jodi Carlton✨ | neurodiversityrelationships+3 | Jodi Carlton | NeuroDiverse Peer Support Networkbg-hc.com+2 | — | neurodiverseChristian couples+3 | — | 48m 21s | |
| 5/4/26 | ![]() Diagnosing Autism- Early Intervention- The ADOS, CARS & MIGDAS-2✨ | autism diagnosisearly intervention+3 | Dr. Mary H Jones | Bright StartsUniquely Us+3 | — | autismearly intervention+3 | — | 39m 14s | |
| 4/27/26 | ![]() Mismanaged Misalignment and Having to Carry the Extra Stinky Bag✨ | misalignmentrelationship management+3 | — | — | — | misalignmentrelationships+4 | — | 52m 15s | |
| 4/20/26 | ![]() NDCC to NDCC Couple Discussion with Tommy & Ginny - Navigating the Rapids of ND Marriage✨ | neurodiversitymarriage+3 | TommyGinny | Christian Neurodiverse Marriage | — | neurodiverse marriageself-care+3 | — | 45m 46s | |
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| 4/13/26 | ![]() Examining Expectations in NeuroDiverse Relationships✨ | neurodiverse relationshipsexpectations+3 | Barb | Emotionally Healthy Relationships | — | neurodiverseexpectations+4 | — | 48m 34s | |
| 4/6/26 | ![]() Mismanaged Misalignment in your NeuroDiverse Relationship✨ | neurodiversityrelationships+3 | — | — | — | neurodiverse relationshipsmisalignment+3 | — | 33m 19s | |
| 3/30/26 | ![]() Diversity, Inclusion & Belonging. Pt 2 of Panelist Discussion on Ministering to Every Member of the Body of Christ | Continuing our Theme this month, looking at how the Church ministers to (or doesn't minister to) the entire body of Christ.We have on the panel today representatives from Together We Care, SOAR and KeyMinistry/Disability and the Church.Do you know the difference in Diversity- Inclusion & Belonging? The importance of community!About our panelistsJilliam Palmiotto/Together We CareJillian Palmiotto is the Founder and Executive Director of Together We Care, a Georgia-based nonprofit that equips and empowers families impacted by disabilities through strategic planning, advocacy, and practical support. With over a decade of experience in special needs ministry, Jillian also serves as the Special Needs Inclusion Coordinator at West Ridge Church and as the Executive Director of the Together Conference. Her passion for building inclusive communities is fueled by her personal journey as a special education teacher and disability ministry leader. Jillian brings a wealth of knowledge, compassion, and real-world expertise to every conversation—helping families, churches, and organizations navigate complex systems with hope and clarity. Doc Hunsley/SOARStephen “Doc” Hunsley, M.D. is the Executive Director and founder of SOAR Special Needs in Lenexa, Kansas. SOAR (Special Opportunities, Abilities, and Relationships) serves over 1500 individuals with special needs through regular respite events and the nation’s largest Disability Day Camp. Doc is currently assisting over 725 churches locally, nationally, and globally in starting a Disability Ministry. Doc also organizes the Wonderfully Made Conference held annually every October in Kansas City. Doc is a USAF veteran and a retired disabled pediatrician while his wife, Kay, continues practicing pediatrics. They are proud parents to three beautiful children: Luke, Mark, and Sarah. The Hunsley’s middle child, Mark, is presently running the halls of heaven. During Mark’s five-year earthly stay, he gave his family the opportunity to learn from and love a child with autism. Dr. Steve Grcevich/Disability & the Church/Key MinistryDr. Steve Grcevich is a child and adolescent psychiatrist with 40 years of experience as a clinician, researcher, and professor who serves as President and Founder of Key Ministry. He plays a lead role in Key Ministry’s work to support churches in evangelism and outreach to the mental health community. He is the author of Mental Health and the Church (Zondervan), the first comprehensive model to guide churches in their mental health outreach and inclusion efforts. In his role with Key Ministry, he has been invited to speak or create resources for the American Association of Christian Counselors, the Christian Medical Dental Society, the Colson Center, the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention and the National Association of Evangelicals. He currently serves on Focus on the Family’s Physician Resource Council and is a widely requested speaker at national ministry conferences. | 28m 40s | ||||||
| 3/23/26 | ![]() Putting Down The Dream Grieving & Connecting to God in Disappointment & Community | Today is a different feel for Just the Guys with guest panelists John Fela & Rev. Josh Davis.This month, we are putting the focus on disability, differences, and diversity, and the Church at large!Dan, John & Josh share personal and lived experiences, father, pastor, spiritual director, coach, and advocate experiences!What is grief? Is that wrong? Does Grief mean God didn't do something good for me?How is the CHURCH doing in supporting families with a member (or members) on the autism spectrum?The Guys talk about what went well, the guilt they carry for what they didn't know at the time, forcing assimilation/masking in the 'church environment' as well as what they know now, and how churches can better come along with children/teens/families. John Fela:John Fela (M.Ed) is a national disability advocate, working with both faith-based and non-faith-based disability organizations. He previously worked for Joni and Friends, a global disability ministry. Prior to that, he spent almost 20 years in education, serving in a variety of roles as a classroom teacher in both public and private school settings, as well as being a mentor teacher and school director. He holds certifications in both Montessori and traditional teaching methods and is trained in a variety of specializations, including ESL and Special Education.John is a public speaker, a blogger for a variety of disability advocacy platforms, and the author of Faith Like My Father, a memoir of his journey as a parent of a child with a disability. John lives in Lyons, IL, with his wife, Faith, and is father to his son, Christopher (ASD/NS).https://johnfela.com/contact/ Josh Davis:Josh Davis is not just a pastor—he is an advocate for neurodivergent individuals, using his platform to share hearts, build bridges, and encourage understanding in a world that often overlooks the unique experiences of those with autism and ADHD. He invites you to explore your own faith, engage in self-discovery, and discover the endless possibilities that lie ahead as you seek a deeper connection with yourself and God.Don’t miss out on the ongoing conversation about faith and neurodivergence.To connect further, find Josh on Facebook, Instagram, or email at: justjosuedavis@gmail.com. Or, for personal encouragement on your own neurodivergence journey, consider booking a spiritual direction session with Josh on Patreon.Listen to NeuroDivergent Faith podcast at:https://www.buzzsprout.com/2441513/episodes/16504569-discovering-autism-adhd-through-faith-josh-s-journey-of-self-discovery | 59m 56s | ||||||
| 3/16/26 | ![]() Diversity, Differences & Disabilities & The Church Pt.1 | No description provided. | 39m 45s | ||||||
| 3/9/26 | ![]() Navigating the Church and the Courts Leaving an Abusive Marriage with Sarah McDugal | Continuing this month's theme of the CHURCH and how she supports the marginalized, hurting, and least of these. Today, Dr. Stephanie and Barb talk with Sarah McDugal about women and children in abusive situations, navigating the courts and the Church.About Sarah, in her own words:BIO:I’m Sarah McDugal, co-founder of Wilderness to WILD and the TraumaMAMAs mobile app. I’m an author, coach, survivor, and TraumaMAMA.As an autistic woman and survivor of both domestic violence and child sexual assault -- my hyper focus is developing gentle, proven resources for women who want to heal after toxic and traumatic stress. I'm trained in:the Deceptive Sexual Trauma Model, andAPSATS (the Association of Partners of Sex Addicts Trauma Specialists)And I'm a Certified Assessor with the Johns Hopkins Danger Assessment.Some of my books include:He Chose Porn Over Me: Women Harmed by Men Who Use PornMyths We Believe: Predators We TrustOne Face: Shed the Mask, Own Your Values, and Lead WiselyMy goal is to provide accessible, affordable, authentic tools to guide you out of the wilderness of abuse, into the WILD thriving post-trauma life that waits ahead.How to find out more!Check out what I’m doing for (almost exclusively) ND protective parents these days: www.myfreedomnavigator.comthe SCOOP - Group Coaching Membershipwww.wildernesstowild.com/the-scoop Righteous or Rotten? How to know if it is biblically bad enough to divorcehttps://www.wildernesstowild.com/unholy-fruit-your-wild-guide-to-discerning-toxic-character Her two websites:https://www.wildernesstowild.com/https://www.myfreedomnavigator.com/ | 1h 00m 01s | ||||||
| 3/2/26 | ![]() Neurodiversity & The Church | This month, we are focusing on autism/neurodiversity faith issues and the church!Starting out the month with permission from a former guest, Josh Davis, we are airing his "What Autistics Want the Church to Know."Dan and I introduced this topic for March, sharing a story from our daughter from our book Embracing the Autism Spectrum, and part 2 of our personal stories will be on Patreon. NeuroDiverse Christian Couples: Autism Spectrum Resources for Marriage & Family | 46m 01s | ||||||
| 2/23/26 | ![]() When Pride & Shame Heal, Love Grows | February is the month of love- what is real love- real hesed- sacrificial love? How did Adam love Eve?Today is not our usual crew, but a discussion with guest Russell Grigsby about a book that radically changed his mindset about loving his wife well.In this episode of Just the Guys, Dan sits down with entrepreneur and executive coach Russell Grigsby to talk about late-in-life autism diagnosis, trauma, pride, and the hard work of rebuilding a marriage. Russell shares how childhood wounds, avoidant attachment, and unrecognized autism shaped his relationships — and how confronting shame, embracing humility, and rethinking biblical leadership transformed his life at home. Through books, prayer, coaching, and intentional growth, he learned to stop trying to fix his spouse and instead take responsibility for his own healing. The result is a marriage marked by safety, connection, and hope. This conversation is an honest look at what happens when a man chooses humility over defensiveness and growth over comfort.Books Mentioned:Mending the Soul Groups found at: MendingthesoulFind a GroupAdam loves EveEscaping Enemy ModeBrene Brown's books on Shame and Vulnerability About Russell:Russell is passionate about encouraging others to fulfill their destiny. In one-on-one settings, Russell helps men and women discover what they are designed to do and then pursue their calling. After receiving an MBA from SMU in 1982, Russell began his career in commercial banking in Austin, Texas. After six years in banking, he joined a series of startups as CFO. He discovered he loved the startup process and began founding and running his own companies.Since 1993, he has run financial services, biotech, real estate, and mining companies. He loves building new businesses and creating a vision for their success. Russell is excited to work as a C12 Chair and call on his long entrepreneurial career to help others accomplish their God-given dreams. He loves meeting with people one-on-one to hear their stories and hear about their calling.Along the way, Russell has passionately pursued intimacy with God. As a follower of Jesus since 1967, Russell has had a profound relationship with God that continues to grow daily. He is a retreat speaker and loves to teach about living with greater power and authority as a believer in Jesus.Russell and his wife, Gina, live in Southwest Austin. They share five grown sons and a daughter. | 50m 42s | ||||||
| 2/16/26 | ![]() PART 2 - Is your NeuroDiverse Christian Coach_Counsel Gold Standard with ND Peer Panel | Welcome back to part 2 of the Gold Standard of Care!If you did not hear part one, go back to January 19th to hear the panel introductions and what we believe is the Gold standard of care! We talk through some myths and stereotypes and share some truths about autism/neurodiversity and marriage.Jeremy tackles: Should you force a neurodivergent partner to undergo assessment?Barbara: Neurodiversity is not the ONLY issue in your marriage.Jenilee: Autism can express itself differently in girls/womenRobin: Emotional Regulation is part of Executive Function and is not a character issueShawna: It is a fallacy that ND people should be encouraged to watch porn to learn how to have sex or whattheir spouses would like in their intimate lifeDan: While you may never achieve the level of empath as an ND/AS husband, you can become more relationalStephanie: What is the cause of autism? How to read research critically.The study Dr. Stephanie mentions that holds a high standard of research credibility: Association of Genetic and Environmental Factors With Autism in a 5-Country Cohort (2019)FULL study available: journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2737582 | 45m 26s | ||||||
| 2/9/26 | ![]() Only Chasing Safety Humanizes Both Spouses with Jeremy Rochford | Today, our guest is Jeremy Rochford of NeuroFM and a fellow Neurodiverse couples' coach! Jeremy is a regular on Just the Guys, and today he talks about his coaching model, Only Chasing Safety (OCS). Why is safety important, and is it okay to rob someone else's safety for your safety? | 43m 09s | ||||||
| 2/2/26 | ![]() How and Who You Love Shapes Who You Are | Today, in the month of love, we talk about sacrificial love in your neurodiverse marriage. Many view this month of love and Valentine's Day as a day for big romantic gestures, but what about living out love every day? How is your love beneficial and sacrificial without giving up yourself? Dying to yourself does mean abandonment of self, but often there are competing needs and wants in an ND marriage.Part 2 will be on Patreon, and we will share more of what is going on in our personal lives, how, and what this means for us right now!Are you able to join hands or lock arms in hard times? Are you walking through life as friends, lovers, enemies, or strangers? | 32m 01s | ||||||
| 1/26/26 | ![]() Black Friday, Cul de Sacs and Happy New Next | Summary: In this first episode of the year, the guys crack open the idea of what it means to be new—not just with gym memberships and resolutions, but deep in the rewiring of old patterns, assumptions, and emotional blind spots. Dan kicks things off by admitting his old “default setting” was to walk in the door wondering what he’d done wrong—proof that sometimes the battlefield is the hallway between the garage and the living room. From there, Jeremy confesses his own default: being right about everything. But a surprising comment from his son at a hockey game (“There’s so much more going on than what’s on TV”) hits him like a puck to the head and opens up a whole new way of seeing relationships. Kevin brings in the pastor’s line, “Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?”—and discovers that relational victory doesn’t always mean keeping score. Dan, meanwhile, reflects on curiosity as an antidote to assumption, while Jeff learns that geology may rock, but people matter more. Between dad jokes about rock stars, cul-de-sacs, and Fraggle Rock sing-alongs, the group lands somewhere between reflection and revelation: Becoming aware of your patterns.Accepting feedback without self-defense.Taking action toward connection, not correction. By the end, they circle back to hope. If yesterday was about living on autopilot, this year is about choosing manual drive. “Participating in my own discovery,” Dan quips, “gives me the opportunity to participate in my own recovery.” So whether you’re trying to read a face, repair a marriage, or just survive mornings before coffee, this conversation reminds you—every default can be rewritten. Pull Quotes “There’s so much more going on than what’s on the screen.”“Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?”“Participating in my own discovery gives me the opportunity to participate in my own recovery.” #justtheguys #danholmes #actuallyautistic #neurodiversecoupletips #neurodiverse men | 42m 19s | ||||||
| 1/19/26 | ![]() PART 1 - Is your NeuroDiverse Christian Coach_Counsel Gold Standard with ND Peer Panel | No description provided. | 41m 36s | ||||||
| 1/12/26 | ![]() NEW Lens NEW Perspective: NeuroDiversity is the New Piece Not the Only Piece | New year - new you- or at least a new perspective of yourself and your neurodiverse marriage! So many times, once the diagnosis is made, the sole focus can become the autism/neurodiversity, but Dr. Stephanie & Barbara talk about the many complexities that make up a neurodiverse Christian marriage! | 50m 57s | ||||||
| 1/5/26 | ![]() Atomic Habits for the New Year for Your NeuroDiverse Relationship Part 1 | It's 2026, and Dan and Stephanie start our podcast series this year on Atomic Habits. The month of January is all about NEW! Remember, Patreon is new! Part 2 of the discussion is on Patreon.In Atomic Habits, James Clear reminds us that real change doesn’t come from dramatic overhauls but from small, consistent actions that add up over time. For neurodiverse marriages, this principle is especially powerful. Many couples feel stuck because change seems overwhelming or unpredictable. But Clear’s 1% rule—tiny improvements repeated daily—offers a realistic, hopeful path forward for both partners.Clear also emphasizes identity formation, teaching that habits don’t just shape what we do; they shape who we believe we are. “Every action is a vote for the type of person you wish to become.” This aligns beautifully with the work Dan and Stephanie bring in from Dr. Jim Wilder, who teaches that identity is formed through relational attachment, joy, and repeated experiences of being our best self with others. When neurodiverse couples practice small relational habits—brief check-ins, shared cues, predictable routines—they aren’t only improving communication; they're also building trust. They are reinforcing a shared identity as a couple who grow, learns, and repair together.Starting small is essential for neurodiverse relationships. A five-minute conversation, one shared calendar habit, a single expression of appreciation, or one consistent environmental cue (like a reminder note or visual schedule) can be far more effective than trying to overhaul everything at once. Slow, steady repetition makes habits dependable, which builds trust and safety—core needs for both neurodiverse and neurotypical partners.The message is simple and deeply encouraging: meaningful change in a neurodiverse marriage doesn’t require perfection or intensity. It requires small, steady steps and a shared commitment to becoming the couple God is forming you to be—one daily habit at a time. | 34m 31s | ||||||
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