No Cap by CRE Daily

Season 8, Episode 1: How did two lawyers turn a handful of Arizona fourplexes into a vertically integrated real estate powerhouse with over 20,000 units renovated? Today, we sit down with John Griggs, Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Presidium, to break down the strategy behind that rise. John shares how he spotted his first opportunity in the "golden age" of the Arizona housing market before shifting his conviction to Texas just as the landscape was beginning to transform.We dive into how Presidium scaled its early portfolio to 5,000 units, the hard lessons learned from internalizing management during the GFC, and the strategic move of acquiring a special servicing company to master the mechanics of distressed debt. Whether you’re interested in ground-up development, creative capital stacks involving HUD debt, or where multifamily opportunity sits in today’s cycle, this episode is a must-listen. Join us as we explore the risk discipline and long-term vision that helped Presidium evolve from a grassroots startup into a dominant institutional investment platform.Shoutout to our sponsor, Lennar Investor Marketplace. New construction rental investments with comps, returns, and underwriting built in.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction and Presidium's Background01:32 – From Silicon Valley Law to the 2003 Arizona "Golden Age"08:03 – Moving to Texas and Raising Capital for Scale10:11 – Navigating the GFC and Internalizing Management14:58 – The Institutionalization of Multifamily Real Estate19:27 – Strategic Acquisition: Buying a Special Servicer24:56 – Launching a Development Platform and Spotting Market Peaks31:18 – Today's Creative Financing: HUD Debt and Housing Authorities36:38 – Targeting Distress and Partnering with Lenders42:15 – Delo Capital and the Outlook for Sun Belt MigrationFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 4: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex are joined by Alex Killick, Senior Managing Director at CW Capital, one of the largest special servicers in the US. Alex pulls back the curtain on how CMBS special servicing actually works, who controls key decisions once loans move into workouts, and why today’s distress looks very different from past downturns.The conversation covers pressure points across multifamily and office, the rise of tenant fraud and insurance costs, and why many resolutions are happening quietly rather than through forced sales. A rare, ground-level view of how distress moves through the real estate system.Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals.TOPICS01:00 – Alex’s Path to CW Capital and the GFC06:29 – How Special Servicing and CMBS Work08:35 – B-Piece Control and Servicer Power14:20 – Why This Cycle Is Different16:15 – Multifamily Stress in the Sun Belt21:10 – Tenant Fraud, Insurance, and NOI24:50 – Workout Decisions vs. Asset Takebacks26:40 – Office Distress and Capital Costs38:45 – Private Credit and Quiet Extensions42:35 – The Metrics CW Capital TracksFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 5, Episode 2: In this episode of Season 5, Jack and Alex sit down with David Auerbach, CIO at Hoya Capital and a leading REIT strategist known for his deep read on public real estate markets. David explains the current state of REITs, where valuations stand, which sectors are positioned for recovery, and how capital is behaving differently across public vs. private markets. He highlights key themes shaping 2025–26, including liquidity pressures, balance sheet strength, and the growing gap between winners and laggards. David also shares what investors often overlook and how to read the signals that matter. A must-listen for anyone watching the REIT landscape closely.Shoutout to our sponsor, Bracket. The AI platform transforming how we underwrite deals.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction03:02 – Data Centers, Cell Towers, and Misunderstood REIT Sectors05:02 – Media Narratives vs. Real REIT Fundamentals07:03 – Why REITs Stay Cheap: Sentiment, Rates, and Risk Appetite11:28 – The REIT Dividend Machine and Long-Term Compounding17:01 – SL Green Case Study and Smart-Money Office Signals22:40 – Sector Deep Dive: VICI, Vegas, Retail, and Data Centers25:21 – NAV Discounts, M&A Activity, and REIT Consolidation33:26 – Housing Crisis, SFR Growth, and Multifamily Cap Rates43:18 – Mortgage REITs, Preferreds, and Signs of Market TurnaroundFor more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 12: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Jon Schultz, Co-Founder and Managing Principal of Onyx Equities, one of the Northeast’s most active private real estate firms. Schultz—known for turning around complex office, industrial, and retail assets—shares how Onyx repositions properties, adapts across cycles, and captures value in a rapidly evolving market. From life sciences and medical office to AI-driven data centers, he breaks down the trends reshaping the tri-state region, the lessons learned from decades of leadership, and why success now depends on being “customer-obsessed.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction02:10 – Early Career and Founding Onyx Equities06:15 – Navigating Market Cycles and Value Creation09:30 – Office Market Shifts and Tenant Demand12:45 – Life Sciences and Medical Office Expansion17:40 – Inside the Data Center Gold Rush22:15 – Rates, Debt, and Opportunities Ahead27:48 – Tri-State vs. Sun Belt Market Dynamics34:05 – Leadership, Adaptability, and Lessons Learned42:30 – Building a Brand Tenants TrustShoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed.For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.

Season 4, Episode 10: Jack Stone and Alex Gornik sit down with Winston Fisher, Partner at Fisher Brothers, one of New York’s most iconic private real estate firms with over 100 years of ownership, development, and management across the city skyline.Winston shares how he’s helping steer the fourth-generation firm into its next era. bridging tradition with technology and culture through projects like AREA15, the immersive entertainment destination in Las Vegas. He discusses innovation inside a legacy business, what it takes to keep a century-old brand relevant, and why experience is becoming real estate’s most valuable asset.TOPICS00:00 – Introduction02:18 – Growing Up in a Real Estate Legacy06:47 – Lessons From Family Leadership11:34 – Reinventing Fisher Brothers for the Future15:29 – The Story Behind AREA1521:02 – Real Estate Meets Experience and Culture26:48 – Why Creativity Drives Modern Development33:17 – Balancing Risk, Tradition, and Innovation39:10 – The Future of New York’s Urban Core45:26 – Leadership, Legacy, and Next-Gen VisionShoutout to our sponsor, Lev. The AI-powered way to get real estate deals financed.For more episodes of No Cap by CRE Daily visit https://www.credaily.com/podcast/Watch this episode on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@NoCapCREDailyAbout No Cap PodcastCommercial real estate is a $20 trillion industry and a force that shapes America’s economic fabric and culture. No Cap by CRE Daily is the commercial real estate podcast that gives you an unfiltered ”No Cap” look into the industry’s biggest trends and the money game behind them. Each week co-hosts Jack Stone and Alex Gornik break down the latest headlines with some of the most influential and entertaining figures in commercial real estate.About CRE Daily CRE Daily is a digital media company covering the business of commercial real estate. Our mission is to empower professionals with the knowledge they need to make smarter decisions and do more business. We do this through our flagship newsletter (CRE Daily) which is read by 65,000+ investors, developers, brokers, and business leaders across the country. Our smart brevity format combined with need-to-know trends has made us one of the fastest growing media brands in commercial real estate.