260: Unabridged Interview: Nicholas Ma
From No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp by Tokens Media
May 8, 2026 · 1h 6m
About this episode
Nicholas Ma discusses his documentary 'Leap of Faith' and the importance of kindness and acceptance in a divided world.
This is our unabridged interview with Nicholas Ma. What if the goal of disagreement isn’t to win, but to stay in relationship? After producing the smash hit documentary “Won’t You Be My Neighbor,” on the life of Fred Rogers, filmmaker Nicholas Ma had one lingering question: Where is the kindness and acceptance that Mr. Rogers embodied in today’s divided world? He found the answer in his latest documentary, Leap of Faith, which follows 12 pastors as they navigate the deep theological and cultural challenges that divide them. Nicholas discusses the process of making the film, the unlikely friendships that developed, and the quiet power of sitting with another person’s pain. Key Ideas: -Love Beyond Understanding True friendship grows when we learn to love the parts in others that we cannot understand. -Stay Present in Pain Transformation often begins not by fixing or debating, but by sitting with another’s pain and bearing witness together. -Choose Relationship Over Certainty Clinging to certainty can make our worldview fragile, while embracing the unknown creates space for growth, faith, and connection. -Endure the Process of Change Meaningful change requires time; like any deep…
People in this episode
Host: Lee C. Camp
Guest: Nicholas Ma
Topics covered
- disagreement
- kindness
- theological challenges
- friendship
- pain
- transformation
Keywords
- disagreement
- kindness
- documentary
- theological challenges
- friendship
- pain
- transformation
- human flourishing
Mentioned in this episode
Books & works: Won’t You Be My Neighbor, Leap of Faith
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