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Faith Under Pressure: Loving Others in an Angry World | Dr. Case Thorp
Jun 25, 2026
46m 21s
Deconstruction, Spiritual Lament, & the Dark Night of the Soul with Catherine McNeil & Jason Hague
Jun 18, 2026
30m 33s
Mid-Faith Crisis: Finding a Path Through Doubt, Disillusionment, & Dead Ends with Catherine McNiel & Jason Hague
Jun 11, 2026
40m 44s
Miracles, Burnout, and Prayer: Real Doctors Ask Dr. Mark David Topazian
Jun 4, 2026
35m 50s
Healing Purpose: Finding Satisfaction in a Healthcare Career with Dr. Mark David Topazian
May 28, 2026
44m 40s
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| 6/25/26 | ![]() Faith Under Pressure: Loving Others in an Angry World | Dr. Case Thorp | You believe faith belongs in the public square, and you've tried to be a faithful presence, but you are simply tired. What happens when your neighbors aren't interested in connecting, or your workplace treats your convictions as a liability? Facing a culture that is increasingly hostile to faith can be exhausting, tempting many to adopt a posture of grievance or to withdraw into their comfortable homes. In this episode of Nuance, regular host Case Thorp takes the hot seat as guest host Katie Shook asks the hard questions about faith under pressure. Case gets honest about the real cost of showing up in the public square, sharing a personal story about a neighborhood dispute over backyard chickens that tested his commitment to loving his neighbors. They unpack the difference between engaging culture with grace versus angrily fighting back, the temptation to make faith overly palatable, and why creating new things is a better response than endless critique. From finding hope in the longevity of institutions to learning how to focus on the micro when national issues feel overwhelming, Case and Katie provide a practical roadmap for staying grounded and kind in an angry world. 🔑 Key Topics Covered in This Episode:🐔 The Cost of Presence: A firsthand look at what it costs to stay engaged, featuring a story about zoning laws, backyard chickens, and maintaining a Christian witness when neighbors push back. 🎨 Creating vs. Critiquing: Why Christians should focus on creating art, beauty, and positive environments rather than just sitting back and complaining about cultural shifts. 🏛️ The Power of Institutions: Exploring why society has lost trust in organizations, and why investing in healthy, long-lasting institutions is still crucial for stability. 🔬 Focusing on the Micro: Practical encouragement to stop stressing over massive national headlines and start serving the people directly in front of you. 🚪 Knowing When to Step Back: How to exercise wisdom and discernment when someone isn't ready for a deeper conversation, and learning to trust God's timing. For more resources, including ways to get involved with The Collaborative, visit wecolabor.comTimestamps0:00 Do You Know Your Neighbors?0:21 Case Thorp Takes the Hot Seat 2:54 Exploring Faith In The Public Square 3:17 The Real Cost Of Faithful Presence 4:06 Navigating Zoning Laws and Backyard Chickens 9:09 Maintaining Righteousness During Conflict 10:21 When Christians Should Withdraw From Culture 11:58 Staying Kind In A Tacky Culture 14:09 Assessing Cultural Hostility Toward Faith 16:47 Avoiding a Posture of Grievance 18:13 The Danger of Making Faith Too Palatable 19:50 Creating New Culture Instead of Critiquing 21:47 Escaping The Comfort of Netflix Homes 25:10 Handling People Who Reject You 28:58 Why Society Needs Long Term Institutions 32:25 Knowing When To Shut Down Failing Institutions 35:54 Finding Real Rest When You Feel Burned Out 38:26 Solving Overwhelm By Focusing on the Micro 40:30 The Powerful Lessons of Staying in One Place 43:21 The Biggest Fear for the Modern Church 44:43 Final Thoughts | 46m 21s | ||||||
| 6/18/26 | ![]() Deconstruction, Spiritual Lament, & the Dark Night of the Soul with Catherine McNeil & Jason Hague | What happens when the foundational beliefs of your faith meet deep personal suffering? For many believers, major life wounds, like childhood church hurt or the loss of a close friend, make a good and powerful God feel distant. When the anchor meant to hold you steady seems to give way, the spiritual crisis makes all other suffering worse.In this episode of Nuance, host Case Thorp welcomes back Catherine McNiel and Jason Hague, co-authors of Mid-Faith Crisis, to discuss the personal origin stories behind their book. Catherine shares the difficult experience of being shunned by her church family at twelve years old. Jason discusses the grief of his children's severe health diagnoses and the loss of a close friend, leaving him preaching sermons he was not sure he believed. Case also shares about trusting God's providence during his wife's battle with cancer and a recent stroke.Catherine and Jason offer practical steps for surviving dark spiritual valleys, like practicing honest lament and using contemplative prayer to calm the nervous system. They explain how taking your anger directly to God and finding a safe community can lead to a mature faith.🔑 Key Topics Covered in This Episode:🌪️ The Compounding Crisis: A faith crisis makes health or vocational struggles much harder. We discuss what it feels like when your spiritual anchor is lost.💔 The Broken Contract: The unique struggle of believing in a good and powerful God when circumstances are painful.🐑 The Seeking Shepherd: Catherine's experience of trusting God's slow providence and moving from decades of darkness into new spiritual life.🗣️ The Power of Lament: Hiding our anger creates distance from God. We look at why bringing your frustration to the Lord is a biblical practice.🧘 Contemplative Healing: Using the Prayer of Examen and breath prayers to soothe spiritual trauma and remember what we already believe.📚 Episode Resources:Mid-Faith Crisis: Finding a Path Through Doubt, Disillusionment, and Dead Ends by Catherine McNiel and Jason Hague: https://www.ivpress.com/mid-faith-crisisCatherine McNiel's website: https://catherinemcniel.com/Jason Hague's website: https://jasonhague.comInterVarsity Press: https://www.ivpress.com/Timestamps:0:00 The Challenge of a Good God 0:35 The Backstory of "Mid-Faith Crisis" 2:00 Catherine's Story: Enduring Church Hurt at Age 12 5:28 Jason's Story: Adulthood, Grief, and Unanswered Prayers 7:44 Why Faith Crises Compound All Other Suffering 12:00 Finding God as the Seeking Shepherd 14:48 Trusting God's Providence Through Severe Health Trials 17:09 Advice for Those Currently in a Faith Crisis 18:59 The Power of Honest Lament 23:05 Contemplative Practices and the Prayer of Examen 27:11 Advice for the Next Generation: Don't Walk Alone 28:54 Concluding Thoughts | 30m 33s | ||||||
| 6/11/26 | ![]() Mid-Faith Crisis: Finding a Path Through Doubt, Disillusionment, & Dead Ends with Catherine McNiel & Jason Hague✨ | spiritual doubtdisillusionment+4 | Catherine McNielJason Hague | Mid-Faith Crisis | — | faith crisisspirituality+5 | — | 40m 44s | |
| 6/4/26 | ![]() Miracles, Burnout, and Prayer: Real Doctors Ask Dr. Mark David Topazian✨ | compassion fatigueburnout+4 | Dr. Mark David Topazian | NuanceCollaborative | — | miraclescompassion fatigue+5 | — | 35m 50s | |
| 5/28/26 | ![]() Healing Purpose: Finding Satisfaction in a Healthcare Career with Dr. Mark David Topazian✨ | healthcarespirituality+3 | Dr. Mark David Topazian | — | — | healthcare careerspiritual blindness+3 | — | 44m 40s | |
| 5/21/26 | ![]() Inside the Massive Business of Modern College Football with Ben Godwin✨ | college footballname image likeness+4 | Ben Godwin | CatapultNCAA | — | college athletesbusiness decisions+3 | — | 43m 36s | |
| 5/14/26 | ![]() Are You Accidentally a Heretic? The Trinity & Council of Nicea Explained with Dr. Jonathan Lett✨ | TrinityCouncil of Nicaea+4 | Dr. Jonathan Lett | Nicene Creed | — | TrinityCouncil of Nicaea+5 | — | 44m 02s | |
| 5/7/26 | ![]() A Theology of Technology: Bodies, Screens, and Boundaries with Dr. Jonathan Lett✨ | theology of technologyhuman nature+4 | Dr. Jonathan Lett | LeTourneau UniversitySilicon Valley | — | technologyhumanity+5 | — | 46m 06s | |
| 4/30/26 | ![]() Christians and AI: The Danger of Deformation | Rev. David Kim✨ | AI and faiththeological implications of technology+3 | Rev. David Kim | Goldenwood | — | artificial intelligenceChristianity+5 | — | 33m 27s | |
| 4/23/26 | ![]() Purpose After Retirement: Why the Exit Out of Work Matters More Than the Entrance | Rev. David Kim✨ | purpose after retirementvocation+4 | Rev. David Kim | Goldenwood | — | retirementvocational calling+5 | — | 33m 47s | |
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| 4/16/26 | ![]() The Problem with Christian Art Today | Dr. Wesley Vander Lugt✨ | Christian arttheological witness+4 | Dr. Wesley Vander Lugt | A Prophet in the Darkness | — | Christian arttheology+6 | — | 32m 00s | |
| 4/9/26 | ![]() A Prophet in the Darkness: Exploring Theology in the Art of Georges Rouault | Dr. Wesley Vander Lugt✨ | TheologyArt+4 | Dr. Wesley Vander Lugt | Gordon-Conwell Theological SeminaryLeighton Ford Initiative for Theology, the Arts, and the Gospel Witness+2 | — | Georges RouaultMiserere+6 | — | 33m 02s | |
| 3/26/26 | ![]() Why Faith Still Belongs in the Public Square | Dr. Case Thorp✨ | faith in public lifepersonal story+3 | Katie Shook | — | Atlanta | faithpublic square+5 | — | 52m 44s | |
| 3/19/26 | ![]() Cities Are Not Neutral | Dan Kirby on Architecture, Faith & the Public Good✨ | architectureurban planning+4 | Dan Kirby | AIA FloridaJacobs | — | citiesdesign+5 | — | 46m 45s | |
| 3/12/26 | ![]() A Princeton Philosopher on God, Liberalism, and Civil Virtue | Dr. Robert P. George✨ | faith in a secular societypersonal convictions+4 | Dr. Robert P. George | Princeton University | West VirginiaAtlanta | faithsecularism+5 | — | 34m 44s | |
| 3/5/26 | ![]() The Crisis of Rights & The Lost Meaning of Happiness with Dr. Robert P. George✨ | moral foundationscivil discourse+4 | Dr. Robert P. George | Princeton UniversityCommission on Unalienable Rights+1 | — | natural lawcivic leadership+4 | — | 40m 28s | |
| 2/26/26 | ![]() Can $40 End Poverty? | A Microfinance Masterclass with Peter Greer✨ | microfinancepoverty alleviation+3 | Peter Greer | Hope InternationalHow Leaders Lose Their Way And How to Make Sure It Doesn’t Happen to You | — | microfinancepoverty+5 | — | 29m 00s | |
| 2/19/26 | ![]() How Leaders Lose Their Way (and How to Make Sure It Doesn't Happen to You) with Peter Greer | Success is often more dangerous to a leader's soul than failure because it creates an isolation that makes honest feedback nearly impossible to find. On this episode of Nuance, Case interviews Peter Greer about the subtle mechanics of "mission drift," not just in organizations, but in the hearts of those who lead them. Peter shares vulnerable insights from his tenure at Hope International, discussing how easy it is to focus so hard on the work of the ministry that you lose connection with the God of the ministry.This episode dives into the counter-intuitive strategies for staying grounded, including why you should schedule time to write your own eulogy and how to identify when you are paddling hard but looking down, unaware that you have drifted far from shore. They also tackle the uncomfortable reality that talent and track records are no guarantee against losing your way, emphasizing that the most successful leaders are often the ones most in need of a "mission audit" to ensure their outer success matches their inner integrity.Episode Resources:How Leaders Lose Their Way And How to Make Sure It Doesn’t Happen to You: https://www.peterkgreer.com/how-leaders-lose-their-way-2/Peter Greer's website: https://www.petergreer.com/Learn more about Hope International: http://www.hopeinternational.com/Episode Discussion Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XNIdpcjhM00UOndp7e2V6rALsgqf0boBHqOGUyre4qk/edit?usp=sharingNuance is a podcast of The Collaborative where we wrestle together about living our Christian faith in the public square. Nuance invites Christians to pursue the cultural and economic renewal by living out faith through work every facet of public life, including work, political engagement, the arts, philanthropy, and more. Each episode, Dr. Case Thorp hosts conversations with Christian thinkers and leaders at the forefront of some of today's most pressing issues around living a public faith. | 42m 51s | ||||||
| 2/12/26 | ![]() The Kind of Courage the Church Needs Right Now with Dr. Karen Johnson | In this follow-up episode of Nuance, Case continues his conversation with historian Dr. Karen Johnson, author of Ordinary Heroes of Racial Justice. Building on the previous discussion of everyday Christians who worked for justice, this episode explores how discipleship shapes moral courage, how churches can renew civic life, and why racial justice belongs within the Christian calling to love our neighbors well.Dr. Johnson reflects on how historical formation shapes Christian faithfulness over time, explaining how ordinary believers have learned to act without certainty of outcomes, trusting God rather than control. Through stories of figures such as John Perkins, Clarence Jordan, and the ongoing witness of Koinonia Farm, the conversation highlights how public faithfulness has often grown out of community, hospitality, and costly obedience rather than comfort or recognition.The episode also examines the church’s role in moments of social tension, including conversations around immigration, racial identity, and national belonging. Dr. Johnson draws on Christian history to show how these debates are not new, and how the church has struggled to hold together evangelism, discipleship, and social responsibility without fragmenting the gospel. Throughout the discussion, she emphasizes the importance of faithfulness over outcomes, patience over certainty, and humility in the face of complex moral decisions.This conversation invites listeners to consider how Christian public witness is formed through long obedience, communal life, and trust in God’s work across generations. It offers a hopeful and historically-grounded vision of how churches and ordinary believers can participate faithfully in the public square today.Episode Resources:Ordinary Heroes of Racial Justice: A History of Christians in Action: https://www.ivpress.com/ordinary-heroes-of-racial-justiceKaren Johnson's website: https://www.karenjohnsonhistory.com/Learn more about John M. Perkins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._PerkinsLearn more about Koinonia Farm: https://koinoniafarm.org/Nuance is a podcast of The Collaborative where we wrestle together about living our Christian faith in the public square. Nuance invites Christians to pursue the cultural and economic renewal by living out faith through work every facet of public life, including work, political engagement, the arts, philanthropy, and more. Each episode, Dr. Case Thorp hosts conversations with Christian thinkers and leaders at the forefront of some of today's most pressing issues around living a public faith. | 43m 22s | ||||||
| 2/5/26 | ![]() Ordinary Heroes of Racial Justice: A History of Christians in Action with Dr. Karen Johnson | In this episode of Nuance, Case is joined by historian Dr. Karen Johnson of Wheaton College to explore how Christian public witness has often taken shape through everyday faithfulness practiced in local communities. Drawing from her book Ordinary Heroes of Racial Justice, Dr. Johnson shows how meaningful change has frequently emerged through believers who acted with courage and conviction within their vocations, churches, classrooms, and neighborhoods.The conversation reframes racial justice as a matter of Christian discipleship formed over time through Scripture, historical memory, and love of neighbor. Dr. Johnson helps listeners see how sin can become embedded in social systems, why attention to history is essential for faithful engagement, and how ordinary Christians have responded to injustice without seeking prominence or control. By recovering stories from across racial and cultural lines, this episode expands the Christian imagination for what public faithfulness can look like in complex social contexts.Throughout the discussion, Dr. Johnson reflects on figures such as Clarence Jordan and the witness of Koinonia Farm, as well as the enduring legacy of Ida B. Wells. These examples invite Christians to consider how patient faithfulness, moral courage, and communal commitment have shaped public life in lasting ways. The episode encourages listeners to think carefully about how historical formation can guide faithful action today.This conversation offers a historically grounded vision of public witness, rooted in the life of the church and expressed through ordinary acts of obedience, compassion, and perseverance.Episode Resources:Ordinary Heroes of Racial Justice: A History of Christians in Action: https://www.ivpress.com/ordinary-heroes-of-racial-justiceKaren Johnson's website: https://www.karenjohnsonhistory.com/Learn more about John M. Perkins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._PerkinsLearn more about Koinonia Farm: https://koinoniafarm.org/Nuance is a podcast of The Collaborative where we wrestle together about living our Christian faith in the public square. Nuance invites Christians to pursue the cultural and economic renewal by living out faith through work every facet of public life, including work, political engagement, the arts, philanthropy, and more. Each episode, Dr. Case Thorp hosts conversations with Christian thinkers and leaders at the forefront of some of today's most pressing issues around living a public faith. | 43m 32s | ||||||
| 1/29/26 | ![]() AI Is Shaping Our Ethics and Our Souls. Is the Church Ready? feat. Dr. Todd Korpi | When algorithms shape truth, justice, and daily decision-making, what does Christian public witness look like?In this second part of their conversation on Nuance, Case continues his discussion with author and researcher Dr. Todd Korpi about artificial intelligence, Christian ethics, and public witness. They explore how discipleship, wisdom, and faithful presence are formed in a world increasingly governed by code.They also discuss how AI affects our understanding of truth, justice, and human responsibility, and why Christians must resist confusing knowledge with wisdom. From hiring algorithms and bias to digital discipleship and public policy, this conversation helps listeners think carefully about how faith is lived publicly in technological systems we often take for granted.Watch Part 1 of this interview here: https://youtu.be/4mq8p4-OGtkEpisode Resources:AI Goes to Church: Pastoral Wisdom for Artificial Intelligence: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1514011247/Todd Korpi's website: https://www.toddkorpi.com/The Anchor Forward Project: https://anchorforward.com/Gloo: https://gloo.com/aihttps://jesus.net/homeNuance is a podcast of The Collaborative where we wrestle together about living our Christian faith in the public square. Nuance invites Christians to pursue the cultural and economic renewal by living out faith through work every facet of public life, including work, political engagement, the arts, philanthropy, and more. Each episode, Dr. Case Thorp hosts conversations with Christian thinkers and leaders at the forefront of some of today's most pressing issues around living a public faith. | 37m 10s | ||||||
| 1/22/26 | ![]() AI Goes to Church: Pastoral Wisdom for Artificial Intelligence with Dr. Todd Korpi | What does faithfulness look like when artificial intelligence is shaping our work, our decisions, and even our relationships?In this episode of Nuance, Case is joined by Todd Korpi, author of AI Goes to Church (InterVarsity Press), to examine how emerging technologies are reshaping the workplace—and what Christian theology has to say about it.As AI moves from the lab into everyday life, this conversation goes beyond short-term questions about tools and productivity to address deeper issues of human identity, public witness, and wisdom at work. Together, they reflect on how artificial intelligence challenges our understanding of the image of God, human relationships, and the pace and purpose of modern work.Episode Resources:AI Goes to Church: Pastoral Wisdom for Artificial Intelligence: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1514011247/Todd Korpi's website: https://www.toddkorpi.com/The Anchor Forward Project: https://anchorforward.com/Gloo: https://gloo.com/aihttps://jesus.net/homeNuance is a podcast of The Collaborative where we wrestle together about living our Christian faith in the public square. Nuance invites Christians to pursue the cultural and economic renewal by living out faith through work every facet of public life, including work, political engagement, the arts, philanthropy, and more. Each episode, Dr. Case Thorp hosts conversations with Christian thinkers and leaders at the forefront of some of today's most pressing issues around living a public faith. | 39m 59s | ||||||
| 1/15/26 | ![]() You Don't Need All the Answers to Share Your Faith at Work with Dr. Joshua Chatraw | What does Christian public witness actually look like at work, beyond arguments and answers?In this follow-up conversation, Dr. Joshua Chatraw and Tanner move from diagnosing fear to exploring a more grounded vision of faith at work. Instead of focusing on winning arguments or having everything figured out, they reflect on how Christian witness is formed through character, humility, and presence in everyday professional life.Through real-world case studies, including AI and technology ethics, nonprofit leadership, and workplace decision-making, they show how faith becomes visible not primarily through what we say, but through how we live and work alongside others.Episode Resources:Apologetics at the Cross: An Introduction for Christian Witness: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0310524687/Telling a Better Story: How to Talk About God in a Skeptical Age: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0310108632/Augustine of Hippo: The Doubter Who Became a Church Father: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DF4GQY7Z/Nuance is a podcast of The Collaborative where we wrestle together about living our Christian faith in the public square. Nuance invites Christians to pursue the cultural and economic renewal by living out faith through work every facet of public life, including work, political engagement, the arts, philanthropy, and more. Each episode, Dr. Case Thorp hosts conversations with Christian thinkers and leaders at the forefront of some of today's most pressing issues around living a public faith. | 45m 27s | ||||||
| 1/8/26 | ![]() Why Sharing Your Faith at Work Feels Intimidating (and How to Move Past It) with Dr. Joshua Chatraw | What if the biggest barrier to sharing your faith at work isn’t what you don’t know, but what you think you know?In this conversation, Dr. Joshua Chatraw and guest host Rev. Tanner Fox explore why sharing your faith at work can feel so intimidating, even for thoughtful, committed Christians. From fear of saying the wrong thing to anxiety about workplace consequences, many believers feel stuck between silence and pressure to perform.Rather than offering debate tactics or quick apologetics formulas, this episode examines the deeper reasons faith feels risky in public life and how to respond in a way that reflects the depth and beauty of the Gospel.Episode Resources:Apologetics at the Cross: An Introduction for Christian Witness: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0310524687/Telling a Better Story: How to Talk About God in a Skeptical Age: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0310108632/Augustine of Hippo: The Doubter Who Became a Church Father: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DF4GQY7Z/Nuance is a podcast of The Collaborative where we wrestle together about living our Christian faith in the public square. Nuance invites Christians to pursue the cultural and economic renewal by living out faith through work every facet of public life, including work, political engagement, the arts, philanthropy, and more. Each episode, Dr. Case Thorp hosts conversations with Christian thinkers and leaders at the forefront of some of today's most pressing issues around living a public faith. | 49m 50s | ||||||
| 12/29/25 | ![]() Formed for Faithfullness: Hope for the Anxiety of the Coming Year | What does it mean to live securely as a child of God—especially as we enter a new year?In this episode of Formed for Faithfulness, we reflect on God’s adoption of believers into His eternal family through Jesus Christ. Anchored in the truth of our identity as God’s sons and daughters, we explore how Christians can live boldly and faithfully in 2026—confident in salvation, guided by love, and free to serve in daily life.From education and community service to workplaces, politics, and family life, this episode offers insight into walking in Christlike humility, speaking truth in love, and living out your faith with courage. Learn how embracing God’s adoption transforms your identity, your confidence, and your witness in a world often driven by fear, opinion, and comparison.Nuance's Formed for Faithfulness is a weekly liturgy to encourage all of us to be faithful to Christ in the public square. Join Case Thorp and other guests as they follow the Church calendar through the reading of Scripture, prayer, and short reflections on faith in all facets of public life. For more on being faithful in the public square, make sure to subscribe for Nuance's bi-weekly interviews with Christian leaders as they discuss everything from policy making to difficult conversations across worldviews at work to Christian art-creation.Nuance's podcasts are presented by The Collaborative, which provides diverse Christian media and collaboration services to equip industry/sector Christian leaders for effective contribution to the common good.Learn more about The Collaborative: Website 👉 https://wecolabor.comGet to know Case 👉 https://collaborativeorlando.com/team/ | 7m 18s | ||||||
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