
Where Did Humans Evolve? Gazing at the Changing Nature of the Garden of Eden ~ Denise Su
From On Humans by Ilari Mäkelä
March 7, 2026 · 54 min · Season 4 · Episode 18
About this episode
This episode explores the ecological changes that influenced human evolution, featuring insights from paleoecologist Denise Su.
Imagine a group of ancient humans, crafting stone tools at the dawn of humankind. What did these creatures look like? To find out, we can stare at the skulls in museums or glance at reconstructions made by paleo-artists. Not a bad start. But what if we move the lens and zoom into their surroundings? What was the scientific “Garden of Eden” like? Was it a lush forest, a dry savanna, or an icy cave? And what can the answer tell us about human nature more broadly? Denise Su is a world-leading expert on these questions. A paleoecologist at Arizona State University’s Institute of Human Origins , she uses ever-more imaginative ways to get a glimpse into the nature and the weather that set the stage for the human story. In this episode, we focus on two kinds of “changes” in the ecology of human evolution: both the actual climate change that drummed the beat of human origins, and the theoretical changes in the views of scientists thinking about these topics. Indeed, this episode digs deep into one of the hotly contested questions about the reasons why humans evolved: "the savanna hypothesis". According to the savanna hypothesis, our naked, upright species evolved because…
People in this episode
Host: Ilari Mäkelä
Guest: Denise Su
Topics covered
- human evolution
- paleoecology
- climate change
- savanna hypothesis
- ancient humans
- ecology
Keywords
- human origins
- stone tools
- climate change
- savanna hypothesis
- paleoecology
- ancient humans
- evolution
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: Arizona State University, Institute of Human Origins
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