Philosophy vs. Improv

Every PvI recording is an experiment, and in this case, our guest (a bigwig acting coach in NYC whom I went to high school with) didn’t feel great about the episode, so I offered to paywall it. Here you get to hear what you’re missing, along with a little pitch about why you should support the show. To respond affirmatively to this pitch and hear (and see!) the whole episode, visit patreon.com/philosophyimprov. The episode was a great learning experience, and our next Mark & Mary episode will spend time talking about it, so any true PvI fan will want to hear it.

In this pitched, high-stakes battle, your hosts have it out about astrological biases, doing offensive accents, letting go of control in an improv scene, and group-based restrictions on who you feel you date. OK, actually, it’s not a battle, but an illustration of how the dynamics of changing one’s mind works: Despite what you might be reading or who might be lecturing at you or demonstrating something for you, you invariably have to do the work yourself. Does Jesus have time to appear on your toast? Are all TV characters robots in a shared robot universe? Are zodiac signs based on serial killer characteristics? How does Pluto FEEL about not being a planet any more? So many vital questions definitively addressed in one meditation together… You can choose to watch this on unedited video: Image note: we’re taking a break from AI art this week, as planets are a slam dunk for actual kid art, and this one is by Amulya Altagi, shortlisted in an actual painting competition.

What is it worth raising an objection over, and how hard do you fight? We hear (and act out) Mary’s roommate-searching trauma, plus Mary for President, curiosity about bellicose Twitter, respect vs. reverence, rationality and religion, dealing with QAnon believers, family Thanksgiving, giving someone else a name, vegetarianism, and the angel of philosophy. Here’s that Steve Harvey show clip where Mary was on TV. Here’s that PEL episode on Richard Rorty on truth and religion that I mention. Hear more PvI. Support the podcast to get all the post-game chatter (though not on this particular episode) and an ad-free experience. Sponsor: Visit squarespace.com/LINSENMAYER (code LINSENMAYER) for a free trial and 10% off your first website or domain. You can choose to watch this unedited on video:

Elijah is a philosophy prof (and PhD theologian) in Vancouver who was a die-hard, evangelical Christian but gradually became liberal and then atheist. In light of his latest book that collects all your favorite arguments for and against the existence of God, called UnBelieving God: A Skeptic’s Guide, Mark and Mary chat with him about his journey and about the degree to which we should care about others’ beliefs in this area so as to engage them in debate. In the course of this, as you’d expect, God makes a personal appearance (with Mary), and there’s an aborted sketch about a brainwashing service. Hear more PvI. Support the podcast! Sponsor: Visit squarespace.com/LINSENMAYER (code LINSENMAYER) for a free trial and 10% off your first website or domain. You can choose to watch this unedited on video: Image Note: Today’s MidJourney prompt was “god smiting a cowering, bearded philosopher, as drawn crudely in crayon by an 8-year-old.” For some reason all of the results showed only one figure, making God INTO the bearded philosopher, but I liked one of them, so here we are. I’m particularly intrigued by what the shapes on the edges of the drawing might be: is that a donkey’s nose on the left?

Rich runs the Dare to Fail improv school and is author of Improv Made Easier. He joins Mark and Mary to discuss contexts of failure, failing to meet your goals vs. “objective failure,” how to react in an improv scene to some topic that’s too offensive for you, graveyard humor vs. reverence. Featuring Steaks You Deserve, Robo-Carson, cancer torture, interactive cemetery, Sounds of Failure, and open-sourced MST3K. Did you know Mary talks to plants? “That was so nice, sweetie!” Sponsor: Visit squarespace.com/LINSENMAYER (code LINSENMAYER) for a free trial and 10% off your first website or domain. You can choose to watch this as unedited video: Hear more PvI. Support the podcast! Image Note: I asked MidJourney for “An obviously robotic Johnny Carson with an ‘F’ tattooed on his forehead, as drawn by an 8-year-old in crayon.” I had to run it three times and finally got one that actually looked like Johnny Carson, had some obviously robotic features, and had a legible F. Per usual, this looks far beyond what a child could possibly draw, and I would say this is colored pens rather than crayon, but at least there’s some scribbling involved.

Is argumentation essential to philosophy? Should you always be open to arguments challenging your beliefs? An actual argument would not be just two abstract positions being measured against each other, but two people with some stakes in the issue, and of course the most interesting philosophical issues have to do with how we live our lives, and so what could be more personal and potentially insulting than challenges to your life choices? We act out a few symbiotic scenarios and reflect back on our last couple of episodes interacting with people not named Mary or Mark. Plus animal facts, complaining to your significant other about exes, astrology prejudice, sexual harassment videos, and on-stage self-pleasure. Sponsor: Get the holiday deal (up to 50% off!) at MasterClass.com/IMPROV. You can choose to watch this on unedited video: Image note: MidJourney did OK showing a sucker fish on top of a frog, and it does look like a crayon drawing, but still fails to know how a six-year-old would actually draw. They added a new “figure out a style” system which I’m trying to use to train it how to draw like a six-year-old, but given that they just present a variety of styles to choose from and none of them are remotely close, this seems unpromising. Hear more PvI. Support the podcast!

Scott, until lately a philosophy professor at Oklahoma State University, joins Mark and Mary to tout his new book, Thinking Ethically: A Handbook for Making Moral Choices. The point is to provide some helpful tips in our age of non-communication for how we can explore and debate varying positions on hot button social issues. So how does debate role-playing jibe with improv comedy? Scott is also a “philosophical counselor,” so what’s that all about, and can we play with that? Should you discuss controversial ideas with people sitting next to you on an airplane? Hear more PvI. Support the podcast! Sponsor: Get 15% off at MasterClass.com/IMPROV. You can choose to watch this unedited on YouTube: Image note: MidJourney does a less terrible job this time, in response to the prompt “A drawing by a six-year old of a debate club.” Seems like a bit too much detail for six, but at least it looks crayon-produced, and I can nearly guarantee that no actual six year old would choose this topic.

How does your body talk to you? Your favorite hosts-of-a-philosophy-and-improv-comedy show Mark Linsenmayer and Merry Mary Hynes re-connect after both being sick to get a bit Halloweeny so as to talk about various food-related monsters, experiencing art by disgraced creators, inner homunculi a la “Inside Out,” movie talk, Nietzsche’s nose fetish, and more. Sponsor: Get 15% off at MasterClass.com/IMPROV. Image Note: Once again MidJourney fails to imitate a child’s drawing style, instead giving us a pretty awful take on art made FOR children. My prompt was for a Vitruvian-man-looking body with various dialogue bubbles, such that the brain is saying “Relax,” the stomach is saying “Chocolate,” and the butt is saying “Toot.” I had to run the query multiple times, and this was the best it came up with. I do not know what “Toat” means or why the image has that title. Hear more PvI. Support the podcast! You can choose to watch this unedited on YouTube:

It is a new era, a new dawn, a new beginning, with a new font of improv wisdom in the form of Merry Mary Hynes, whom you’ve met, and in turn a fresh challenge for Mark to engage in philosophy tutoring with a brilliant but free-from-academic-philosophy-training partner. Sponsor: Get 15% off at MasterClass.com/IMPROV. We start off with some improv to explore the idea of being a co-host, then Mark attempts to relate a bit of Luce Irigaray (hear the full Partially Examined Life episode on her) and briefly attempts to argue that all our concern with representation (seeing YOURSELF on screen or whatnot) is dwarfed by the existential gulf between individuals. Mary discusses her non-binary identification through the medium of Doctor Who. All this prompts another scene with us doing weird accents at the Feminist Café, Mark relating the history of his vocal training (including a brief clip of the actual recording of voice lessons from 1990), a scene about an aging child pop star, and discussion of how an audience relates to changes in what a performer does over time (like, say, when a podcast you like gets a new co-host…). Finally, what is philosophy, and have you been doing it already in some form throughout your life, even if you never took a class with that name? The image used here reflects the new era. Instead of shamelessly stealing child’s drawings off the Internet, in Season Five here, I am getting up with the times and instead telling AI to create graphics in the style of children’s drawings and watching it fail miserably. In this case, the result looks like a beginner user of Corel Draw instead of a child using crayons, but this is what Claude AI delivered, and you can be sure that I am not putting child artists out of work by creating it this way. I ask you to contemplate the hair styles here, from the lefty’s jaunty beret-style hair to the righty’s yellow clam-shell style hat a la Dumb Donald from Fat Albert. Magnifique! Hear more PvI. Support the podcast! You can choose to watch this unedited on YouTube:

Nessa teaches philosophy at Lone Star Community College and writes on the philosophy of humor. We’ve amazingly never had an episode specifically about this, so we thought we should get this on the table before we wrap our season (and Bill’s regular participation) and reach 100 episodes. We go through the main theories (superiority, incongruity/surprise, unconscious triggering, i.e. funny because it’s true on some level we don’t necessarily want to admit). Then Nessa (fictionally) becomes our podcast format consultant. Is there room for pugilism in philosophy? Is King of the Hill too real? Is the hilarity of a joke 90% in its delivery and details? We wrap up by considering the appeal of various stand-up comedians. Here’s the Dana Carvey clip by Colbert that Nessa refers to about Waiters Nauseated by Food. The image here is swiped from Instagram. As long-time readers here know, I try to find child drawings relevant to the title/topic, and have more or less despaired in finding good ones, so I am tentatively planning to shift strategies for the new season (as I’ve already done for some recent episodes). This one was a result of an image search for “child’s drawing comedian,” and I found this Instagram and misread it as being by the child, as opposed to being apparently a comedian’s self-portrait “with random marks by my son.” But given that it displays the drawing competence of a child (as would be anything I would personally attempt), it stays! Hear more PvI. Support the podcast! You can choose to watch this on YouTube:

LA comedienne and Second City faculty member Mary (whom you no doubt already met in the Prelude to this episode), joins us to act out a pet sitting job interview, talk about sharing our public spaces with animals, and finally return to Empty Street to see if we can get some animal action going in the convenient mart/Taco Bell/Subway. In the post-game (which we’re including on this public episode because we’re so nice), we talk about Bill’s new academic studies and Mark’s upcoming Gen Con trip. (If you’re going to be at Gen Con Indy and want to connect, email me; maybe we can organize a lunch for anyone interested.) Yes, the fish peep dome is a real thing. Hear more PvI. Support the podcast! Sponsors: Don’t wait until the next bite—protect your home with Bzigo. Go to bzigo.com/discountBUZZ10 to save 10% off. Go to surfshark.com/improv or use code IMPROV at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN! You can choose to watch this on video.

Mark Schiff is a legendary stand-up (watch him on Carson) who currently podcasts with friend-of-PEL and philosophy enthusiast, Daniel Lobell (check out his YouTube channel) as We Think It’s Funny. These gents join Mark and Bill to talk about stand-up vs. improv (hear our prior treatment of the topic), comedy LPs, waterless urinals, bad press, the path to enlightenment, and how to get rid of syphilis. We run a scene on hiring entertainment for the company party, and engage in some riffs that can only be called improv. If you want an ep. of WTIF to start with, Mark mentions Brian Regan. The image here is the horrific Zoom background I used for the call. Hear more PvI. Support the podcast! Sponsor: Go to surfshark.com/improv or use code IMPROV at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN! You can choose to watch this on video.

Kolby is the founder/editor of After Dinner Conversations, which curates short stories about philosophy. He’s also been a “producer” of improv shows. We talk about what makes a story philosophical, Kolby tells some stories, and we run some scenes about teleporter shenanigans and guidance counseling. Finally, Kolby (fictionally) makes an INDECENT PROPOSAL to the podcast. In the post-game, Bill and Mark reflect on the episode and talk a bit more about job selection and the sunk cost fallacy. Hear more PvI. Support the podcast! Sponsor: Go to surfshark.com/improv or use code IMPROV at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark VPN! You can choose to watch this on unedited video: