Psychedelic Medicine Podcast with Dr. Lynn Marie Morski

In this episode of the Psychedelic Medicine Podcast, Katie Fassbinder, MD joins to explore how to choose the right ketamine clinic. Dr. Fassbinder is the Faculty Medical Lead for ketamine-assisted psychotherapy training at Elemental Psychedelics and a practicing psychiatrist based in Wisconsin with over 20 years of experience. She also directs mental health and KAP programming at Promega and has worked extensively in public-sector mental health systems. In this conversation, Dr. Fassbinder explores how patients can make informed decisions when choosing a ketamine clinic, emphasizing that safety, therapeutic support, and personal fit should guide the process. She discusses the differences between medical ketamine treatment and ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, highlighting how factors such as trauma history, treatment goals, medical complexity, and access to integration support can influence the most appropriate model of care. The conversation also examines the strengths and limitations of various routes of administration, including IV, intramuscular, sublingual, and at-home ketamine programs. Throughout, Dr. Fassbinder stresses the importance of preparation, integration, set and setting, and finding a treatment environment that feels safe and supportive, noting that ketamine's benefits are often maximized when paired with meaningful therapeutic relationships and ongoing psychological support. In this episode, you'll hear: Key factors to consider when evaluating the safety of a ketamine clinic How medical and psychological needs influence the type of ketamine treatment that may be most appropriate The differences between ketamine-assisted psychotherapy and more medically oriented ketamine treatment models How IV, intramuscular, sublingual, and at-home ketamine approaches compare Why set, setting, preparation, and integration are critical components of successful treatment Who may be a good candidate for at-home ketamine programs and what risks to consider The distinction between psycholytic and psychedelic ketamine dosing and how each supports different therapeutic goals Resources and community-based options for psychedelic integration when ongoing therapy is not available Quotes: "[Ketamine] is one of those medicines that's very much a shape shifting medicine and it can meet people for different types of concerns or goals at different levels and different routes. So it's so good we have such a breadth of options—and very complicated if you're a patient trying to figure out where to begin." [7:55] "Those challenging psychedelic experiences, when well integrated, typically provide even more benefit for the person than the sort of bliss journeys that we all hope everybody gets to have, you know? So having a challenging journey, if well supported and integrated, is also a gift that's very potent for somebody that's really ready to do that work." [21:52] "Ego dissolution or that sort of loss of concept of self can be extremely liberating for some people. For others, coming back from that can be very discombobulating and even traumatic. So this really comes down to patient selection and helping people make a safe choice for what they're looking to do in their recovery and also what they're bringing in as risk factors for helping choose that safe dose range." [31:15] "While we don't have clarity about cognitive impacts of ketamine in the long run, it seems like when done therapeutically in pulses it's pro-cognitive. … But when done daily, what we've seen in recreational ketamine use—or misuse—is that it does have some cognitive impairment that's perhaps difficult to reverse." [42:58] "The dose of ketamine has so much to do with the preparation of your system more than the number of milligrams. … If you've done the at home course and you're not getting the sustained benefit or you're not journeying, it might be that that's a cue that you need more support for your actual sessions." [45:01] "Psychedelics and ketamine included, create a nonspecific amplification of everything. Everything feels bigger. And part of meeting with the ketamine provider is for them to really assess: Is this a good time in your life? Do you have the outside support, the inner resourcing to do this work safely?" [47:09] Links: Elemental Psychedelics website Elemental Psychedelics on LinkedIn Promega website Healing Maps website Fireside Project website ACER Integration website Journey Clinical website Usona Institute website "Psilocybin vs. Ketamine Training: Which is Right For Your Practice?" blog by Shannon Hughes and Dori Lewis Previous episode: Fireside Project: The World's First Psychedelic Hotline with Joshua White and Hanifa Nayo Washington Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

In this episode, Dmitry Repin, PhD joins to discuss the intersection of bodily movement and psychedelics. Dr. Repin is the co-founder of the Institute for Psychedelic Research at Tel Aviv University, holds a PhD in cognitive neuroscience, and is the producer and creative force behind the Everything Else Matters documentary. In this conversation, Dr. Repin explores how psychedelics may influence movement, proprioception, and motor learning, drawing from his background in neuroscience and his transformative experiences with dance practices like Gaga. He describes his team's innovative clinical study pairing psilocybin with guided movement training to investigate whether altered states can open temporary windows of enhanced plasticity for learning new movement patterns. Throughout the discussion, Dr. Repin reflects on why so many people feel inhibited in their bodies, how psychedelics might soften these constraints, and what traditional movement-based ceremonies can teach modern clinical research about embodiment, healing, and the relationship between perception and action. In this episode, you'll hear: How dance and Gaga inspired Dr. Repin's scientific interest in movement during psychedelic states Kinesiophobia and why many people experience fear, shame, or inhibition around movement Why Dr. Repin chose psilocybin for his study on psychedelics and movement How Dr. Repin's study measures movement changes using optical tracking and multi-dimensional metrics What makes Gaga movement practices unique compared to other approaches to dance and movement The structure of the psilocybin-plus-movement protocol developed at Tel Aviv University How psychedelics may temporarily enhance motor learning through shifts in proprioception and neuroplasticity What ritual and communal dance contexts reveal about the embodied dimensions of psychedelic experiences Quotes: "If we understand those [neurological] mechanisms, we can try to influence certain situations where people have deficits related to movement." [4:47] "For example, when I go to a dance training session [after a recent psychedelic experience], I find that I actually internalize movement patterns much faster than I do otherwise—and it's noticeable to my dance teacher." [8:56] "Part of the hypothesis that we have is that certain qualities or dimensions of movement might be affected more or less by psychedelics than others and that potentially, will give us some insights into the specific brain mechanisms because certain different types of movement sometimes require different circuits to engage in different parts of the body." [19:47] "Some initial wisdom, some anecdotes, or some best practices that have been developed within those non-clinical settings may be very useful to inform clinical—and maybe other—areas that use psychedelics." [27:03] Links: Everything Else Matters documentary The Institute for Psychedelic Research at Tel Aviv University Dr. Repin on LinkedIn Dr. Repin on X Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

In this episode Matthew Hicks, ND, MS joins to dive into the topic of psilocybin-assisted group therapy for depression. Dr. Hicks is a research Investigator at the National University of Natural Medicine as well as a Naturopathic doctor and licensed psilocybin facilitator at Synaptic Institute. In this conversation, Dr. Hicks shares findings from one of the first studies investigating psilocybin-assisted group therapy for depression, conducted in Oregon's new legal psilocybin framework. He explains how the high cost and labor-intensive nature of psychedelic therapy inspired him to explore a group model that could make treatment more financially accessible while preserving - and even enhancing - its therapeutic potential. Dr. Hicks describes the structure of the study and discusses how initial participant hesitancy about group work transformed into deep connection and shared healing. He also highlights the study's significant reductions in depression scores, improvements across quality-of-life measures, and the potential for group-based approaches to pave the way toward insurance reimbursement and broader access to psychedelic care. In this episode, you'll hear: Why affordability and accessibility were central motivations for developing a group-based psilocybin protocol The benefits and challenges of conducting psilocybin sessions in a shared group setting How Dr. Hicks' study balanced inclusion of low-income participants with safety and stability criteria The details of the group treatment structure for Dr. Hicks' study Why Dr. Hicks believes group formats may be inherently therapeutic in addition to their economic efficiency Dr. Hicks's vision for future efficacy and cost-effectiveness studies that could enable insurance coverage Quotes: "In terms of the group dynamic, almost everyone in the intake process was very reluctant. They were trepidatious. They were a little worried about the group part of it. And almost everybody at the end of it, when we did the follow ups at the group, was amazing. People made friends. They felt really supported. They felt really seen by the process of hearing other people's journeys and the growth that they went through—and seeing some other examples of transformation was really powerful and was really encouraging to me." [10:29] "So [there are] really positive aspects to doing this in a group format that's not just economic—it's not just cheaper to do this in group, it actually has therapeutic benefits that you miss out on when you only do this one on one." [11:12] "That was always my question in the follow up sessions: 'did your participation in this study change the way you engaged in psychotherapy? Did it change the relationship with your therapist?' And a lot of people reported that it did. They felt they were able to open up and engage more deeply, be more introspective. And it did, in many cases, not all, improve their psychotherapy outcomes as well." [18:24] "Some people reported that hearing someone else in the group crying for a bit really opened up something in them and they almost felt grateful for that. This other person is having a meaningful experience over there, and that's something they wouldn't have gotten on their own if they hadn't heard that person crying." [22:45] Links: Dr. Hicks on LinkedIn Synaptic Institute website Dr. Hicks' research at Synaptic Institute National University of Natural Medicine website Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

In this episode of the Psychedelic Medicine Podcast, Rick Strassman, MD joins to discuss the topic of endogenous DMT. Dr. Strassman is adjunct associate professor of psychiatry at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque and author of DMT: The Spirit Molecule and The Psychedelic Handbook. His DMT and psilocybin studies in the early 1990s initiated the renewal of human research with psychedelics in the U.S. In this conversation, Dr. Strassman discusses the finer details of DMT, from endogenous production in humans and animals, to visionary experiences and theological implications. Dr. Strassman also covers the research that's been done regarding endogenous DMT, clarifying what we do and don't know about the role of the pineal gland and how this might relate to what is reported during near-death experiences. He also discusses the personal and relational quality of psychedelic experiences induced by DMT, mentioning that unitive mystical experiences were actually rare in the trials he conducted, with more experiences having a personal quality, drawing upon the life experiences and interests of the participants. In closing, Dr. Strassman shares his thoughts on the origins of the visions that many report during DMT use. In this episode you'll hear: The overlap between psychedelic experiences and meditation techniques The relationship between fear, self-awareness, and difficult DMT experiences The placebo effect and psychedelic research Dr. Strassman's thoughts on non-hallucinogenic psychedelics DMT as a possible treatment for strokes to prevent damage and speed recovery Effects of microdosing in animals and humans Quotes: "I think the best term for these compounds is psychedelic, which means mind manifesting or mind disclosing, because only one of our fifty-five or so normal volunteers had what one might call a mystical unitive state. … Everybody basically had an experience that was totally dependent on them. It was not inherent in the drug." [9:45] "You could still speculate that to the extent that non-drug states resemble those brought on by giving DMT… that DMT plays a role in the production of those states. But the data aren't there yet. That's why we need more people doing this research." [24:16] "If psychedelics are super placebos and if we have a psychedelic drug in our brain, it's attempting to speculate that normally the placebo effect could be mediated by endogenous DMT." [27:42] "If you starve neurons of oxygen they start dying, but if you add DMT they survive much longer. So there seems to be some neuroprotective effect of DMT on ischemic damage to neurons, at least in the test tube." [32:27] Links: Dr. Strassman's website The Psychedelic Handbook by Dr. Strassman DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Dr. Strassman DMT and the Soul of Prophecy: A New Science of Spiritual Revelation in the Hebrew Bible by Dr. Strassman Dr. Strassman on FacebookPrevious episode: Exploring DMT Entities with Matthew Johnson, PhD Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

In this episode J. Ashley T. Booth, LCSW, MS joins to discuss the importance of long-term psychedelic integration. Ashley is a Los Angeles-based psychedelic therapist, IFS practitioner, and author of Quieting the Storm Within: An Illustrated Introduction to Your Parts Through Internal Family Systems and Beyond. With a background in research, education, and clinical work—including serving as a co-investigator on the MAPS MDMA trials—she specializes in helping clients integrate psychedelic experiences through compassionate parts work and Self-led healing. In this conversation, Ashley explores the nuances of psychedelic integration, discussing how this process can be supported through ongoing self-audits, somatic practices, and Internal Family Systems (IFS) work. She highlights the need to slow down, focus on one insight at a time, and anchor felt experiences into the body so they become lived behaviors rather than fleeting memories. The discussion also addresses challenges such as insufficient integration, psychedelic narcissism, and the pressure to "fix" oneself. In closing, Ashley stresses that even years after a journey, integration is possible if one revisits experiences with intention, and she underscores the central role of supportive communities in sustaining lasting transformation In this episode, you'll hear: What things are important to focus on in long-term integration How someone can discern when their integration process has been sufficient to pursue a subsequent psychedelic journey An overview of the internal family systems model of the psyche The downsides of insufficient integration Developing deeper relationships with the parts of one's psyche through IFS Why it's never too late to integrate psychedelic experiences from one's past What to do when integration seems to come into conflict with feeling well adjusted to society's expectations Quotes: "What I encourage clients to do is to take notes on everything that felt important and then separate them out into: 'I'm going to just focus on this one thing for like a month, and then maybe next month will be that second piece of it.' And so you're really allowing yourself to make particular practices and focus on one thing at a time." [6:21] "So whatever wound we're dealing with in our bodies, whether it's an extreme sort of big T trauma or little T trauma… there's a slowness that needs to happen. And so if there's parts of us that want to speed up that process, we need to be curious about that and see if there are ways that we can tend to that before the next journey." [13:59] "I think that part of the longer term questions are not just how we change our life but what kind of meaning are we making of our lives and how are we sitting more comfortably in that meaning in a way that is serving us and empowering us?" [25:52] Links: Ashley's website IFS and Beyond on Instagram IFS and Beyond website Quieting the Storm Within: An Illustrated Introduction to Your Parts Through Internal Family Systems and Beyond by J. Ashley T. Booth Aware Project: Southern California Psychedelic Society website Previous episode: Navigating Psychedelic Narcissism with Adam Aronovich Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

In this episode, Charmaine Husum joins to discuss how art therapy can be a powerful tool for psychedelic preparation and integration. Charmaine is a Registered Art Therapist, Somatic Counsellor and Kundalini Yoga Teacher with over 12 years of experience supporting psychedelic preparation and integration. Her courses train professionals globally using specifically developed protocols in trauma-informed, harm-reduction practices, with her book, Psychedelics and Art Therapy: A Trauma-Informed Manual for Somatic Self Expression (Routledge, 2025), endorsed by numerous experts in the field including Stan and Brigitte Grof. In this discussion, Charmaine distinguishes between art as therapy and art therapy, emphasizing that the latter involves clinically informed, trauma-sensitive practices that externalize inner experiences to support healing. She outlines structured protocols used before and after psychedelic experiences, including creating visual representations of inner strength, setting intentions, and integrating experiences through multi-phase art exercises. Throughout, Charmaine emphasizes choice, embodiment, and the historical roots of art in altered states, offering a rich alternative for those seeking non-verbal, experiential ways to work through trauma and transformation. In this episode, you'll hear: The types of art and materials employed in art therapy How art therapy can be employed to support preparation for a psychedelic experience Using art therapy for grounding and restabilization following an intense psychedelic journey Judith Herman's three stage model of healing trauma Why drawing a self portrait with one's non-dominant hand could be therapeutic Pursuing shadow work in art therapy Working with a client's perfectionism in art therapy Quotes: "[Art therapy] is not about making art, actually. It's about being in the present moment, about moving materials, about allowing for often a cathartic release, and giving expression to what we often don't have words for." [3:14] "Art therapy isn't just about making the art, it's about processing the art afterwards." [7:48] "Art therapy is very helpful when we're trying to express something that's ineffable—something without words—which is… at the heart of psychedelics. There's often no words to describe what our experience has been. And so using creativity can be a real help there." [29:06] Links: Centre of the HeArt website Centre of the HeArt on Instagram Centre of the HeArt on Facebook Charmaine on LinkedIn Charmaine's book: Psychedelics and Art Therapy: A Trauma-Informed Manual for Somatic Self Expression Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

In this episode, Monnica T. Williams, PhD, ABPP joins to discuss how psychedelics may help alleviate mental health impacts of racial trauma. Dr. Williams is a licensed clinical psychologist and professor at the University of Ottawa in the School of Psychology, where she is the Canada Research Chair in Mental Health Disparities. In this conversation, Dr. Williams begins by highlighting the daily stress and trauma experienced by people of color, likening it to PTSD. She discusses a survey her team conducted which revealed that many people of color use psychedelics to manage racial trauma, showing significant reductions in stress, depression, and anxiety. Additionally, Dr. Williams emphasizes the importance of a safe environment and culturally competent therapists. In closing, she discusses ongoing research at this intersection and the need for more funding and awareness in this field. In this episode, you'll hear: How racial trauma manifests as conditions like PTSD, depression, and anxiety The importance of an intersectional perspective Current treatments for mental health struggles stemming from racial trauma Results from Dr. Williams' research into psychedelic use amongst people of color The importance of safe and supportive settings for psychedelic experiences How shared life experiences between a therapist and client can strength the therapeutic alliance and improve outcomes Why bias training is particularly important in the context of psychedelic therapy Quotes: "People of color who live in these white dominated Western contexts are continually bombarded by subtle —and not so subtle—messages about their worth, about their standing in society, about their intelligence, their character, on and on and on and on. And so really the daily onslaught just wears and wears away at people, and the stress of that can actually become traumatizing." [1:49] "People heal from trauma when someone witnesses their pain, right? When people can compassionately witness your pain and join in it with you—this is the basis behind all therapeutic approaches for trauma treatment." [10:13] "We saw [from our survey study] that many, many people of color are using psychedelics to manage racism, often very quietly. But it seems for many people to be quite effective and quite helpful." [11:53] "We looked at some separate psychedelics where we had enough people who described a specific one like psilocybin or LSD or peyote in some cases. And so we were able to look at those psychedelics separately and we didn't actually find a difference. It didn't seem to matter which psychedelic it was. It seemed that they were all, more or less equally effective." [15:20] Links: Dr. Williams' website Dr. Williams on X Dr. Williams on Instagram Dr. Williams on LinkedIn Dr. Williams' study "Investigating the associations of acute psychedelic experiences and changes in racial trauma symptoms, psychological flexibility, and substance use among People with Racial and Ethnic Minoritized Identities in the United States and Canada" Behavioral Wellness Clinic - Connecticut Behavioural Wellness Clinic - Ottawa Masters Program in Psychedelics and Consciousness Studies at University of Ottawa Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui

In this episode, Dori Lewis, MA, MEd, LPC-S discusses the common myths and misconceptions surrounding psilocybin for healing. Dori is a psychotherapist, co-founder of Elemental Psychedelics, and owner of Reflective Healing in Fort Collins, CO, who specializes in psychedelic-assisted therapy, blending transpersonal psychology with spiritual practices. With experience facilitating ketamine sessions and training clinicians, she advocates for ethical standards in psychedelic medicine while championing a feminine-centered approach to facilitator training. The first myth that Dori addresses in this conversation is the idea that it is the psilocybin mushroom itself that does all the healing work. Contrary to this common misconception, Dori suggests that it is the client's own initiative working in tandem with the mushroom that really spurs healing. She also emphasizes that there are not any set protocols for how often psilocybin should be taken for healing, instead suggesting that clients should be guided to attune to their own internal intuition to determine when a psilocybin journey may be particularly helpful. Another misconception Dori addresses is that healing with psilocybin can occur without causing deep transformations in one's identity or shifts in one's worldview. She suggests facilitators must be very transparent about these possible impacts to best prepare clients for these kinds of major changes that psilocybin can catalyze. In closing, Dori reiterates that clients should be supported and prepared to encounter intense emotional experiences with psilocybin, as some of the most difficult psychedelic journeys can actually be the most healing. In this episode, you'll hear: The biggest myths and misconceptions Dori encounters working with clients in her practice The importance of a relational understanding of psychedelic healing The specific types of trauma where psilocybin may be a particularly effective healing modality The training for psilocybin facilitators in Colorado under the Natural Medicines Program and the importance of scope of practice Why some people's mental health gets worse before it gets better following a psilocybin experience What can cause lack of response to psilocybin therapy and how better preparation can often mitigate this Quotes: "Mushrooms are amazing and they can help us in our healing journey. But they are one tool in a mosaic of other tools that we can use to help ourselves heal and grow and change." [6:54] "I don't really know where this message came from—that mushrooms cure PTSD—but that is a huge myth. They can help—with certain types of trauma within the context of a healthy therapeutic relationship with a skilled provider, yes, at times when it is right. But ultimately the best medicine for trauma is going to be MDMA—and ketamine." [18:18] "It is the responsibility of providers and facilitators to inform clients of the realistic expectations they should have for their [psychedelic] journeys—and that is also an ethical need and something that facilitators need to consider through an ethical lens." [25:20] "There's a lot to be said about the unique ways that mushrooms express through our bodies and through our minds and through our hearts that give us information about where we are at and where we need to work or continue to work in order to access the healing we so desire." [37:34] Links: Dori on LinkedIn Elemental Psychedelics on LinkedIn Elemental Psychedelics website Previous episode: Integrating Challenging Psychedelic Experiences with Keith Kurlander, MA Previous episode: The Challenging Psychedelic Experiences Project with Jules Evans Previous episode: The Dangers of "Ayahuasca Told Me…" with Jerónimo Mazarrasa Psychedelic Medicine Association Porangui