
Rock That Doesn't Roll: The Story of Christian Music
by Andrew Gill and Leah Payne
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- 🇺🇸US · Music History#44100K to 300K
- 🇦🇺AU · Music History#8430K to 100K
- 🇨🇦CA · Music History#1225K to 30K
- 🇸🇪SE · Music History#1211K to 10K
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Exvangelical Folk Punk Recorded in a Warzone (ft. Emperor X)
Jun 24, 2026
Unknown duration
The Supertones' Progressive Neighbor (ft. Jewly Hight)
Jun 10, 2026
1h 17m 18s
Drag as Folk (ft. Flamy Grant)
May 27, 2026
1h 02m 57s
Making the Invisible Visible (ft. Flamy Grant)
May 27, 2026
Unknown duration
Only Visiting This Punk Planet via Germany (ft. Nina Hagen)
May 13, 2026
53m 23s
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| 6/24/26 | ![]() Exvangelical Folk Punk Recorded in a Warzone (ft. Emperor X) | Chad Matheny is better known by his folk punk band name, Emperor X. His 12th full length album, Unified Field, is out on June 26 and features a single called "Praise Jesus! Hail Reagan!" Much of the album was recorded in Ukraine during the war with Russia. Chad has lived in Berlin, Germany since 2012.Chad also happens to be a friend of Andrew Gill's since they attended public middle school and high school together in Jacksonville, Florida.This episode includes discussion of Chad's megachurch upbringing, his thoughts on the "trad cath" trend, why more leftists need to call themselves Christians and what Andrew was like in high school.Emperor X's playlist of CCM bangers--Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)If you'd like to make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here.Do you like coffee? Try Larry's Coffee and support the show. The first time you spend $15, we get $30. | — | ||||||
| 6/10/26 | ![]() The Supertones' Progressive Neighbor (ft. Jewly Hight)✨ | music journalismChristian rock+4 | Jewly Hight | NPR MusicNashville Public Radio+1 | — | Jewly HightChristian rock+4 | — | 1h 17m 18s | |
| 5/27/26 | ![]() Drag as Folk (ft. Flamy Grant)✨ | Christian musicdrag culture+3 | Flamy Grant | PatreonRock That Doesn’t Roll+1 | — | Christian drag queenFlamy Grant+5 | — | 1h 02m 57s | |
| 5/27/26 | ![]() Making the Invisible Visible (ft. Flamy Grant) | Flamy Grant may be the world's only Christian drag queen songwriter. She's one of the few queer artists to ever top the Christian music category in the iTunes Store. She's also a guest we've wanted to have on the show since before season one launched. We get an update on whether Flamy and Amy Grant have met yet, manifest a few dreams and get to the heart of what keeps Flamy performing in churches. Also, we consider the possibility of approaching drag as a folk art form. Flamy also answers questions posed by members of our Patreon community.--Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)If you'd like to make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here.Do you like coffee? Try Larry's Coffee and support the show. The first time you spend $15, we get $30. | — | ||||||
| 5/13/26 | ![]() Only Visiting This Punk Planet via Germany (ft. Nina Hagen)✨ | German PunkChristian Music+3 | Nina Hagen | Rock That Doesn’t RollPatreon+4 | — | Nina HagenGerman Punk+3 | — | 53m 23s | |
| 5/13/26 | ![]() The World's Most Outrageous Jesus Freak (ft. Nina Hagen) | Nina Hagen is a true legend. She's considered an icon of German culture. And she's known as "the Godmother of German Punk." But our interview with her revealed that she also should be considered a longtime Jesus Freak. Her latest album, "Highway To Heaven" was released earlier in 2026.--Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)If you'd like to make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here.Do you like coffee? Try Larry's Coffee and support the show. The first time you spend $15, we get $30. | — | ||||||
| 4/29/26 | ![]() The Reverse CCM Crossovers of 1985 (ft. Tim Dillinger)✨ | Christian music1985 music history+3 | Tim Dillinger | God's Music Is My LifeRock That Doesn’t Roll+2 | — | Christian music1985+5 | — | 54m 32s | |
| 4/15/26 | ![]() When The Songs Aren't Enough (ft. Rosie Thomas)✨ | Christian musicsinger-songwriter+4 | Rosie Thomas | Sub Pop RecordsVelour100+1 | — | Rosie ThomasChristian music+5 | — | 1h 26m 37s | |
| 4/1/26 | ![]() The Normals Approach to Christian Music (ft. Andrew Osenga)✨ | Christian music historyband dynamics+3 | Andrew Osenga | WhiteheartForeFront Records+3 | — | Christian musicThe Normals+5 | — | 55m 46s | |
| 3/18/26 | ![]() What's Funny About Failing at Christian Rock? (ft. Jeremy Alder)✨ | Christian rockcomedy+4 | Jeremy Alder | NinevehChristians Who Don't Suck+2 | — | Christian rockcomedy+5 | — | 1h 04m 50s | |
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| 3/4/26 | ![]() Sneaking D'Angelo Riffs Into Worship (ft. Sam Sanders)✨ | Christian musicworship+4 | Sam Sanders | The Sam Sanders ShowKCRW+2 | — | Christian rockD'Angelo+5 | — | 59m 38s | |
| 2/18/26 | ![]() Season 4 Trailer✨ | Christian musicpodcast trailer+3 | — | Rock That Doesn't RollPatreon+2 | — | Christian rockpodcast+4 | — | 2m 15s | |
| 1/28/26 | ![]() Jason Martin of Starflyer 59 (From Transmissions with Jason Woodbury)✨ | dream popChristian music+4 | Jason MartinAndrew Horton | Starflyer 59Joy Electric+5 | — | Jason MartinStarflyer 59+5 | — | 1h 06m 39s | |
| 1/7/26 | ![]() Big Freedia: Is Twerking Next to Godliness? (From The Sam Sanders Show)✨ | gospel musicbounce music+4 | Big Freedia | KCRWRock That Doesn't Roll+2 | — | Big Freediagospel album+6 | — | 49m 23s | |
| 12/19/25 | ![]() The Christmas Special 2025 (ft. Kelsey McGinnis and Daniel Gill)✨ | Christmas musicholiday celebration+3 | Kelsey Kramer McGinnisDaniel Gill | — | — | Christmas specialmusic playlist+3 | — | 1h 02m 39s | |
| 12/10/25 | ![]() John Darnielle of The Mountain Goats on Sound Opinions✨ | Christian musicinterview+3 | John Darnielle | Sound OpinionsThis Year: 365 Songs Annotated: A Book of Days+1 | — | John DarnielleMountain Goats+4 | — | 1h 06m 03s | |
| 11/26/25 | ![]() Introducing: When We All Get To Heaven✨ | LGBTQ+ communityfaith and sexuality+3 | — | Metropolitan Community Church of San Francisco | — | Christian musicLGBTQ++5 | — | 27m 19s | |
| 11/19/25 | ![]() Solid Rock's Great Lost Album (ft. Steve Scott and Charles Norman) | In our season three finale, we tell the full story of Steve Scott's lost records that Larry Norman produced in 1978, but never released. Moving Pictures (and its companion Close Ups) were victims of short-sighted Christian music industry executives and a myriad of bad circumstances after being recorded and they have lived in lore among frustrated record collectors for decades. Now they are close to finally being released. As Larry Norman was dying in 2008 he made a last request of his brother, who goes by Charles Normal, to ensure that the Steve Scott records be released someday. Charles has digitized the original tracks and mixed them for the first time and now he and Steve are raising money on Kickstarter to give the albums a proper release. Steve and Charles join us today to tell the full story and play some of the never-before-published songs. The Steve Scott Kickstarter---Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Want to contribute to our Christmas Special? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)Or make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here. | — | ||||||
| 11/12/25 | ![]() The Art of Not Having an Endgame (ft. Todd Fadel) | Todd Fadel is our guest this week. He is an individual whose life experiences defy easy categorization. He was the lead singer of a Star Wars-themed side project to Tooth and Nail grunge band Sometime Sunday. He was a worship leader at a non-traditional church in Portland, Oregon. He helped run TOMFest. He's also a big fan of Evie. Most of our conversation in this episode is about his work running Meow Meow, an all-ages venue in Portland that straddled the Christian and secular music worlds in the early 2000s. Adam Voith's novel in progress that is mentioned in this episode. The film adaptation of Don Miller's best-selling book, Blue Like Jazz, is mentioned in this episode. It was directed by the legendary Steve Taylor. ---Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)Or make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here. | — | ||||||
| 11/5/25 | ![]() The Prayer Trade Apocalypse (ft. David Dark) | David Dark is a life-long Nashvillian and an admitted member of what he calls "The Prayer Trade" as a professor of religion and the arts at Belmont University. In 2002 he published his first book, "Everyday Apocalypse: The Sacred Revealed in Radiohead, The Simpsons, and Other Pop Culture Icons." At the time he was involved in The Art House along with Leah and Charlie Peacock. Now David has reissued the book as "Everyday Apocalypse: Art, Empire, and the End of the World" or if you're a Swiftie "Everyday Apocalypse (David's Version)." Hosts Andrew Gill and Leah Payne welcome David back to the show to discuss both editions of the book, his relationships with musicians inside and outside the Christian music industry and his depiction in the book "Body Piercing Saved My Life."---Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)Or make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here.--PROMO SWAP: "When We Were on Fire" is a full-cast audio drama podcast based on the faith deconstruction memoir by Addie Zierman. Created by Lizzie Goldsmith, the podcast stars Aria Sivick as Addie, and features original music by Frank Sheffield. | — | ||||||
| 10/29/25 | ![]() Delirious vs Nirvana (ft. Gabriel Wilson) | The English worship band Delirious (technically Deliriou5?) certainly changed church music and probably influenced a young Chris Martin of Coldplay, but was their lasting impact on music bigger than Nirvana's? That's the case made in a social media video by our guest today, Gabriel Wilson. Wilson is a veteran of worship bands both as a musician and producer. He once toured with Delirious and has produced Delirious singer Martin Smith in the studio. He also has a deep respect for Nirvana. Andrew and Leah dig into his case for Delirious having a larger impact on music writ large than Nirvana. Gabriel's Video---Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)Or make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here. | — | ||||||
| 10/22/25 | ![]() The CCM to Ska Pipeline (ft. Aaron Carnes) | Aaron Carnes is an expert on ska, but is self-aware enough that his book (and podcast) are called In Defense of Ska. Like Christian rock, when folks admit to liking ska they often brace for being mocked. Aaron knows something about both worlds since he was only allowed to listen to CCM growing up. This conversation is wide-ranging, covering the roots of ska (Madness didn't invent it), the waves of reinvention it has survived and how it was put to use by Christians to good effect (Five Iron Frenzy, The Israelites, Runforyerlife) and questionable effect (The OC Supertones, B.O.B.). Plus a little story about Sonseed.----Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)Or make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here. | — | ||||||
| 10/15/25 | ![]() Music at the Charlie Kirk Memorial (ft. David Gate and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis) | The Charlie Kirk Memorial in Arizona was a singular event that blended religion and politics in powerful ways. It featured a lot of Christian music. Brandon Lake, Chris Tomlin, Phil Wickham, Kari Jobe Carnes, Cody Carnes and Tiffany Hudson all led the 100,000 people in the stadium and estimated 20 million watching online in worship songs. To analyze what it means that these artists performed at this event and how their music functioned in the event, we're joined by Kelsey Kramer McGinnis and David Gate. Kelsey Kramer McGinnis is a musicologist, worship music correspondent for Christianity Today, and co-author of The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Failed a Generation of Evangelicals.David Gate is a poet, writer and visual artist who used to lead worship in England, Ireland and the American South. His collection of poems and essays is called A Rebellion of Care.----Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)Or make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here. | — | ||||||
| 10/8/25 | ![]() Live From The Trenches: Leah and Andrew Check In | After 15 weekly episodes in season 3, Leah and Andrew chat about what else they've been up to this fall, what episodes they've especially enjoyed this season, and what they're looking forward to in upcoming episodes.--Register for Theology Beer Camp with our promo code RTDR for $75 off.Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)Or make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here. | — | ||||||
| 10/1/25 | ![]() The Discourse Meets Carman (ft. Chris DeVille) | Chris DeVille wrote the book on the indie rock boom (Such Great Heights: The Complete Cultural History of the Indie Rock Explosion), but before he became a self-confessed "indie snob" he was a willing listener of Christian rock. In this conversation we discuss the influence of Pitchfork on musical tastes and how specific signifiers could have an outsized impact on critical coverage in the blog era. Artists discussed include 4Him, Stavesacre, Sufjan Stevens, Pedro The Lion, Cameron Winter, Neutral Milk Hotel and, of course, Carman. ---Register for Theology Beer Camp with our promo code RTDR for $75 off.Do you have a Christian rock story to tell? Want to respond to this episode? Leave us a message at (629) 204-4264.If Rock That Doesn’t Roll is important to you, support us on Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/rtdr (join via the website, not the iOS app for a 30% discount)Or make a one-time donation: https://coff.ee/rtdrIf you can't afford a donation, please tell five friends about the show.You can connect with us on Instagram or by emailing RTDRpod@gmail.comSign up for our Substack to keep up with show developments.Buy RTDR merch here. | — | ||||||
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