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Deep sea explorer Edie Widder will never forget her first dive into the deep ocean. The second she turned off the lights on her submersible, she was met with a light show, “like the Fourth of July.” She couldn’t believe her eyes as blue sparks, swirls, and flashes filled her vision. The lesson was one she would bring through years of her career: the deep ocean is not a barren wasteland; it’s a vibrant world teeming with life and light. This week on Say More, Widder talks to co-host Anna Kusmer about the inner-explorer within each of us, and the ways curiosity can trump fear. Email us at saymore@globe.com.

Liz Walker made her mark in Boston as the first Black woman to co-anchor a TV newscast. But now, her impact is much deeper. After leaving the TV host chair, Walker became the pastor of Roxbury Presbyterian Church, a historic church in Boston. While working at this church, Reverend Walker realized the true power of talking. She launched a group project called, “Can We Talk…” which mixes the community power of church with the power of talking. On this episode of Say More Rev. Walker talks to host Anna Kusmer about how she ended up back at church, her childhood in Little Rock, and what music is inspiring her right now. Email us at saymore@globe.com.

What does justice mean when a mentally ill person takes a life? Before Lindsay Clancy killed her three children in Duxbury, there was another case. In 2018, a mother in Brockton, Latarsha Sanders, killed her two young sons while in the midst of a psychotic episode. But the tragedy didn’t end with their deaths. A dubious interrogation and a jury trial portraying Sanders as “evil” resulted in a first degree murder verdict. Boston Globe columnist Yvonne Abraham revisits the trial with an overflowing reporter’s notebook. She shares her findings with Say More’s Shirley Leung. Email us at saymore@globe.com. To read Yvonne’s 7-part series from the Boston Globe, start here.

Freddy Guevara has been in exile for more than 5 years. As a leader of a major opposition party in Venezuela, he was targeted and jailed by the Maduro government. Now, he and many other Venezuelans are watching as Maduro faces charges in a US court. This week on Say More, Guevara talks to opinion page editor Jim Dao about how Venezuelans are feeling about Trump’s moves in their country, and other thoughts about the so-called international order. An expert on authoritarianism, Guevara offers some wisdom on what Americans can do to avoid an autocratic backslide. Email us at saymore@globe.com.

From whistleblowing corporate malfeasance to tackling a mass shooter, courage takes many forms. What do we need to be our boldest selves? Is courage innate or can it be learned? This week on Say More, host Shirley Leung digs into the research with Harvard Business School professor Ranjay Gulati. His new book is called, “How to Be Bold: The Surprising Science of Everyday Courage.” Email us at saymore@globe.com.

Globe business columnist Larry Edelman says if we do have a recession in 2026, it won’t be a crash - more like air leaking out of a big balloon. This week on Say More, host Shirley Leung gets a vibe check on the economy with the author of the Globe’s popular Trendlines newsletter. Larry says consumer spending is up, the numbers are not bad, but the vibes are not great. Email us at saymore@globe.com. Sign up for Trendlines here.