
About this episode
This episode explores the evolution of normal human subjects in NIH research during the 1960s and the implications of their experiences.
Last time on The Normals, we learned that in the 1950s, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) wanted to recruit many healthy volunteers for basic research. Two peace churches, the Mennonites and the Church of the Brethren, had an excess of healthy human volunteers. The “Normals” recruited from these Anabaptist churches were surprisingly happy, even as they went through sometimes painful procedures. In this follow-up episode, we hear about how the sources of normal human subjects changed in the 1960s and why NIH researchers felt they needed to expand their search for normal people. We also learn about the first death in the program and the shifting motives on the parts of the researchers and volunteers. Final episode drops next Tuesday, April 21. All Normals episodes In this episode: Laura Stark, history professor at the Center for Medicine, Health, and Society at Vanderbilt University Ken Naas, former Normal patient Cindy Jansen, former Normal patient Dale Horst, former Normal patient Sarah Crespi, Science Podcast senior host and producer Additional resources: The Normals: A People’s History of Modern America in Five Human Experiments by Laura Stark Learn more about your ad…
People in this episode
Host: Sarah Crespi
Guests: Laura Stark, Ken Naas, Cindy Jansen, Dale Horst
Topics covered
- human subjects
- medical research
- NIH history
- Anabaptist churches
- volunteer experiences
Keywords
- NIH
- normal human subjects
- medical ethics
- Anabaptist
- research volunteers
Mentioned in this episode
Organizations: National Institutes of Health, Mennonites, Church of the Brethren
Books & works: The Normals: A People’s History of Modern America in Five Human Experiments
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