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Don't listen to this podcast for breaking AI news
Apr 17, 2026
38m 12s
Guardrails, Guts, and AI at the Pool
Mar 26, 2026
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We're baaaaaack! And more chaotic than ever
Mar 5, 2026
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Colleen & Michele are back on the mics! (For today, at least)
Feb 22, 2025
35m 43s
Side Projects as Insurance Policies
Dec 5, 2023
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4/17/26 | ![]() Don't listen to this podcast for breaking AI news✨ | AI toolstech conferences+3 | — | Geocodio CLIClaude Code+3 | — | AI toolsGeocodio CLI+6 | — | 38m 12s | |
| 3/26/26 | ![]() Guardrails, Guts, and AI at the Pool | We get into the messy reality of putting guardrails around AI tooling across a team: shared skills repos, documenting design decisions, and why Claude still needs to be managed like a very smart intern. We swap stories about AI taking over every conversation (yes, even bachelorette parties in Austin), debate whether junior devs should learn without AI first, and Colleen talks about hiring a sales coach who teaches her exactly what she teaches others. Plus: why we're so bullish on in-person events right now, and Michele talks about the why they waited 8 years to hire anyone, and why you can't separate feelings from good decision-making. | 1h 01m 23s | ||||||
| 3/5/26 | ![]() We're baaaaaack! And more chaotic than ever | Michele and Colleen are back on the mics! We talked about our recent lives, burnout recovery, AI tooling, and the evolving landscape of content creation and marketing automation. Oh, and Colleen lets the power guy in halfway through. | 1h 01m 59s | ||||||
| 2/22/25 | ![]() Colleen & Michele are back on the mics! (For today, at least) | After two years off-air, Michele and Colleen finally sit down together in front of the mics.Links:SaaS Marketing GymTinySeed Tales with Colleen are being released every Thursday on Startups for the Rest of Us! | 35m 43s | ||||||
| 12/5/23 | ![]() Side Projects as Insurance Policies | Michele chats with Kevin Griffin about how she sees side projects not only as a way to earn extra money but as insurance policies against losing your job or other unexpected life events. Subscribe to Multithreaded Income! | 52m 59s | ||||||
| 11/21/23 | ![]() ADHD + Entrepreneurship: A Conversation with Jesse J. Anderson, aka ADHD Jesse | Michele chats with Jesse J. Anderson, aka ADHD Jesse, about finding out one has ADHD as an adult, entrepreneurship as people with ADHD, parenting an ADHD child, and more. Get Jesse's book "Extra Focus: The Quick-Start Guide to Adult ADHD" and join his newsletter: https://adhdjesse.com/+ Recommended book on parenting kids with ADHD: ADD Superparenting | 50m 45s | ||||||
| 1/3/23 | ![]() What 2023 Brings for Colleen, Michele, and This Show | Colleen and Michele talk about their hopes and plans for 2023, and make an announcement about this show. | 36m 47s | ||||||
| 12/27/22 | ![]() The Forcing Function Episode: Launch Christian Genco's New SaaS | Michele talked to Christian Genco on December 1 about what he needed to do to launch his new SaaS, TheVideoClipper, with a deadline of having it done before this episode was released. So... did he do it? | 38m 31s | ||||||
| 12/20/22 | ![]() Reflecting on 2022 | Michele and Colleen reflect on the year. | 35m 33s | ||||||
| 12/13/22 | ![]() Culture + Feedback = ??? | Michele shares her takeaways from the book The Culture Map and what it might mean for getting product feedback and building products across countries. | 30m 22s | ||||||
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| 12/6/22 | ![]() TinySeed, TinyConf | Colleen recaps her learnings from her first TinySeed meetup/MicroConf: Local Austin. | 26m 41s | ||||||
| 11/29/22 | ![]() Listing on MicroAcquire | Colleen is ready to go all-in on Refine... and that means moving on from Simple File Upload. | 28m 59s | ||||||
| 11/22/22 | ![]() The Hammerstone Podcast is back | Colleen and her business partner Aaron give an update on Hammerstone (Refine) in this crossover episode. | 28m 43s | ||||||
| 11/15/22 | ![]() Qualitative and Quantitative Data | Talking to other entrepreneurs made Michele realize that she hasn't talked about interplay of qualitative *and* qualitative data enough. Michele and Colleen talk about what that means in the context of feature requests and high-touch sales. | 34m 45s | ||||||
| 11/8/22 | ![]() TinySeed! | Colleen's company was accepted to TinySeed, which means she now gets to work on Refine full time. That means she can finally make some hard decisions and push. (Note: Colleen and Michele were actually in the same place last week, so that's why the audio quality is different than normal!) | 32m 11s | ||||||
| 11/1/22 | ![]() Getting Into Public Speaking as a Developer | Michele chats with indie developer Benedicte Raae about getting into public speaking through streaming. | 40m 19s | ||||||
| 10/25/22 | ![]() Sick Leave for Indie Founders? | Should indie founders take sick leave? Michele and Colleen discuss. | 29m 43s | ||||||
| 10/18/22 | ![]() Competitive Advantage and Moats for Small SaaSes, Part 2 | Michele continues her chat with Summit founder Matt Wensing about ways indie SaaS founders can think about moats and competitive advantages. This episode: cost advantages, size advantages (big and small), and false moats. | 34m 51s | ||||||
| 10/11/22 | ![]() Talking Competitive Advantage and Moats for Small SaaSes, Part 1 | Michele chats with Summit founder Matt Wensing about intangible assets, switching costs, and network effects, and how they apply to indie software companies. | 54m 16s | ||||||
| 10/4/22 | ![]() Refine Update with Aaron and Colleen | Aaron Francis, Colleen's co-founder, swings by to chat about Refine. | 35m 03s | ||||||
| 9/27/22 | ![]() Super Pumped (aka The Saturday Edition) | Four things Colleen is super pumped about... and one thing she's not. | 38m 07s | ||||||
| 9/20/22 | ![]() Sprinting a Marathon | Colleen and Michele both have a lot going on. | 52m 03s | ||||||
| 9/13/22 | ![]() Hairy Projects and Heat Waves | Michele's trying to figure out how to approach charging sales taxes, and Colleen finally pushes to prod despite a challenging week. | 32m 22s | ||||||
| 9/6/22 | ![]() Distribution vs Marketing | Colleen's in go mode for Refine. | 56m 47s | ||||||
| 8/30/22 | ![]() One Weekly Win | Colleen shares the secret to her recent productivity. | 45m 07s | ||||||
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