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Rising Above: From Runaway Kid to Green Beret, Cop, and CreatorThis week’s Team Never Quit episode brings you a raw, unfiltered, and deeply inspiring conversation with Sean Rogers - a man who has lived several lifetimes’ worth of adversity, discipline, transformation, and impact.From a desert town to the global stage, Rogers’ story is one of resilience forged under pressure. Born in California and raised in Phelan, his early years were marked by chaos and instability. After running away from home as a teenager, he refused to let hardship dictate his future. He finished high school on his own terms and made the bold choice to enlist in the military, setting into motion a journey that would change everything.While on active duty, Sean began his formal education and pushed himself academically with the same intensity he brought to training. He earned a master’s degree in organizational leadership—all while pursuing the grueling path to become a U.S. Army Special Forces Green Beret. Two deployments later, he transitioned to a new mission: serving his community as a police officer. What he witnessed on the streets during the riots following the death of George Floyd would reshape his understanding of leadership, culture, communication, and human behavior.But Sean’s story didn’t stop there.Driven to help the next generation of warriors, he founded The FNG Academy, an online platform designed to prepare aspiring Special Forces candidates for the mental, physical, and emotional challenges of selection. What started as a simple resource has grown into a thriving YouTube community, a robust online store, and a dedicated team committed to equipping others to step into their potential with confidence.He later chronicled his incredible life journey in his autobiography, Rising Above, a book that captures the honesty, grit, and self-discovery that have shaped his path.Sean Rogers embodies what it means to overcome circumstances, own your story, and turn pain into purpose. Whether you’re chasing personal growth, preparing for a demanding path, or simply looking for motivation to push through your own challenges, this is an episode you won’t want to miss.In this episode you will hear:• Recently, I finally figured out that God is what I needed to be chasing. (5:27)• I got a Master’s Degree. I ran marathons. I ran ultra marathons. Trying to fill that void. I got Special Forces; I went police officer. Everything I thought would help – none of it helped. (6:49)• They develop this fear in you that if you get found out by CPS, you’re gonna get separated from your siblings. So, you start learning how to hide what’s going on at home. (11:06)• I used to run away constantly – to all my family member’s houses, and the cops would go get me and bring me back. (18:03)• [I wanted to die] I had one of two directions to go: either get worse, and then she’s gonna look back one day and say she made the right decision, or I can get better and I can look back one day and say that was the best thing that ever happened to me. (38:59)• I had to make a decision. I don’t want this to define me that someone got to choose my fate. (39:53)• If I can’t get my act together enough to follow through on a plan, maybe the Army will be the place where they will let me be kinda wild and refine me a little bit. (44:56)• At 67:12 to 70:30, Sean speaks about an awful mistake he made in a gunfight.• Writing books. Of all the things I’ve done, I’ve hated that the worst. (78:00)• I trust people that talk about God now. A lot of SF guys idolize. We say “Look at me.” (78:06)• What stoked my fire with God was the show “Chosen.” (80:29)• I’m claiming to be Christian, and I don’t even know how cool Jesus is. (80:57)• At some point you have to say. “I’m buckling down, this is where God wants me. I’m here – thick or thin, and we’re gonna get through this.” (104:52)• [Marcus] from 0-40 it’s an opinion; 40-60 it’s perspective; and 60+ is wisdom.• Self-help books are broken people talking to broken people to give you some temporary encouragement. Treat them as what they are. (109:16)Support Sean: - IG: seanbuckrogers - Website - https://www.thefngacademy.com/ - Link to his book "Rising Above" --> https://amzn.to/48FTGpF - Link to his book "Better Broken" --> https://amzn.to/48OHkff Support TNQ - IG: team_neverquit , marcusluttrell , melanieluttrell , huntero13 - https://www.patreon.com/teamneverquitSponsors: - Tractorsupply.com/hometownheroes - Navyfederal.org - masterclass.com/TNQ - Prizepicks (TNQ) - mizzenandmain.com [Promo code: TNQ20]- Dripdrop.com/TNQ - ShopMando.com [Promo code: TNQ] - meetfabiric.com/TNQ - cargurus.com/TNQ - armslist.com/TNQ - PXGapparel.com/TNQ - bruntworkwear.com/TNQ - Groundnews.com/TNQ - shipsticks.com/TNQ - stopboxusa.com {TNQ} - ghostbed.com/TNQ [TNQ] - kalshi.com/TNQ - joinbilt.com/TNQ - Tonal.com [TNQ] - greenlight.com/TNQ - PDSDebt.com/TNQ - drinkAG1.com/TNQ - Hims.com/TNQ - Shopify.com/TNQ

The Trident: Leadership Lessons from the Battlefield to the BoardroomThis week, Marcus, Melanie welcome an extraordinary warrior, leader, and encourager—Jason Redman, retired Navy SEAL, bestselling author, and one of the most respected voices on resilience and overcoming adversity.Jason served 21 years in the U.S. Navy, including 11 years as an enlisted SEAL and 10 years as a SEAL officer, leading combat operations across the globe. His career is a study in grit, redemption, and relentless dedication—from early deployments in Central and South America to commanding SEAL teams in Iraq and Afghanistan.But Jason’s life shifted forever on September 13, 2007, when he was acting as Assault Force Commander during a mission in Iraq. An enemy ambush erupted. Jason was shot eight times, including a devastating gunshot wound to the face. His team fought through, secured the target, and saved his life.What followed was a recovery few could imagine: 40 surgeries, months in the hospital, and a battle not just for survival, but for identity, leadership, and purpose. Jason didn’t just recover—he returned to active duty and continued serving until retirement in 2013. His courage, valor, and leadership earned him the Purple Heart, Bronze Star with Valor, and the respect of warriors around the world. Why This Episode MattersJason Redman has become one of the most powerful voices in America on resilience. His life is proof that the human spirit can rise, rebuild, and lead again—no matter the setback. Whether you’re fighting through a personal battle, searching for purpose, or simply need a reminder of what true grit looks like, Jason’s story will challenge, encourage, and strengthen you.In this episode you will hear:• The very first book I bought about the SEAL teams - I was in a truck stop and there was a case of books you could buy for a buck. There was a book about SEAL operations in Vietnam. Four years later, I checked into SEAL Team 4. (6:22)• I was about 95lbs and 5’ tall at 15, and that recruiter took one look at me, and was like: “You are not what the SEALS are looking for.” (7:40)• There are way more operational opportunities for enlisted SEALS than there are for officers. (20:44)• Seaman to Admiral takes individuals who don’t have a degree. They send them to school. It’s an accelerated program. You’re part of the ROTC program. You commission out of that and you come back as a SEAL officer. (24:02)• We were all bleeding so bad, and it created this mist in the helicopter of blood. The entire inside of the helicopter was coated in blood. (43:06)• My recovery time took 4 years and 40 surgeries to put me back together. (43:38)• Be thankful for the hardships you have in life and for hard things that happen because I think they set you up for success in other things. (43:48)• Me failing as a leader was probably the hardest thing I’ve ever had to come back from. (43:56)• Lead yourself, Lead others, Lead always. (44:39)• [Marcus] When he was in the hospital, he wrote on a bright orange piece of paper and tacked it on the door. And he wrote this letter saying “Don’t come in here feeling sorry for me. I will overcome.” (48:48)• It’s amazing when you’re around Christians who have a appreciation for the world and a love of Christ and a love of humanity. (51:07)• These are questions I like to ask veterans: “What do you want to accomplish? What is your American dream? (53:52)• Whether you’re starting your own business, or you’re a leader in a business, we need you. This country needs you. (64:47)Support Jason Redman: - https://jasonredman.com/ - IG: jasonredmanwwSupport TNQ - IG: team_neverquit , marcusluttrell , melanieluttrell , huntero13 - https://www.patreon.com/teamneverquitSponsors: - Tractorsupply.com/hometownheroes - Navyfederal.org - Dripdrop.com/TNQ - ShopMando.com [Promo code: TNQ] - mizzenandmain.com [Promo code: TNQ20] - meetfabiric.com/TNQ - masterclass.com/TNQ - Prizepicks (TNQ) - cargurus.com/TNQ - armslist.com/TNQ - PXGapparel.com/TNQ - bruntworkwear.com/TNQ - Groundnews.com/TNQ - shipsticks.com/TNQ - stopboxusa.com {TNQ} - ghostbed.com/TNQ [TNQ] - kalshi.com/TNQ - joinbilt.com/TNQ - Tonal.com [TNQ] - greenlight.com/TNQ - PDSDebt.com/TNQ - drinkAG1.com/TNQ - Hims.com/TNQ - Shopify.com/TNQ

From the Skies Over Vietnam to the Power of Healing — The Story of Mike Penn This week’s Team Never Quit guest, Mike Penn, embodies courage, resilience, and grace under pressure. A Navy fighter pilot who served in Vietnam over 50 years ago, Penn’s life took a dramatic turn on August 6, 1972, during his 85th combat mission off the USS Midway. Shot down and captured by enemy forces, he endured eight harrowing months as a POW in Hanoi, facing starvation, torture, and isolation. Losing 60 pounds and battling injuries from the crash, he survived where many did not.Upon returning home, Penn continued to serve his country before transitioning to a long and successful career as an airline pilot. Yet, his greatest battles weren’t fought in the skies—they were fought within. Like countless Veterans, Penn wrestled with PTSD and alcoholism, learning that even the strongest warriors can’t always go it alone.Penn credits his recovery and renewed purpose to sheer determination, the support of fellow Veterans, and the care he received through the Houston VA, which later discovered a life-threatening cancer during a routine scan—saving his life once again.Today, Penn continues to inspire others through motivational speaking, encouraging Veterans to seek help, share their stories, and lean on one another. His outlook remains deeply positive: despite his suffering, he still calls it “an honor to serve.”Join us as we hear Mike Penn’s incredible journey—from fighter pilot to prisoner of war to survivor and mentor. His story is a testament to resilience, faith, and the healing power of community.Thank you, Mike Penn, for your honorable service—and for reminding us that healing begins when we choose to reach out.In this episode you will hear:• [Marcus] If you’re struggling in college, get your butt in the military for4-6 years, come back, and you’ll scream right through it. (6:54)• To get on the Blue Angels demo pilot team, they vote on you. It’s a good ol’ boy system. If any one guy says no, you’re done. (9:30)• Out of nowhere this Marine Corps Master Gunnery Sergeant shows up right in my face. And he starts yelling at me, and honestly, I thought I was in the wrong place. When he gets through yelling at me, he says “You got anything to say for yourself you smart ass college boy?” I put my hand on his shoulder, looked him in the eyes, and I called him “sarge,” I said “Sarge, I really think I’m in the wrong place, because I cam down here to be a Navy jet pilot.” Boom! He threw me on the ground. I’ve never done so many push ups in my life. (12:21)• He got me in such good officer shape; I ended up becoming the Regimental Commander. (13:19)• Landing at night is so difficult, because in the daytime you have depth perception. You’re looking at the “Meatball,” the optical landing system. Line up with the ship, and your air speed. At night you can’t see anything. (19:00)• [When missiles are fired at you] you see it lift off, you see it coming at you. You build up speed. When it gets to be about ¾ of a mile away from you, you do a high G roll into it. It tries to track on you, but it’s going so fast, it can’t. (29:00)• They were firing 3 from behind that we never saw, so when I tried to get more speed, one from behind hit me. Boom. Engine quit. Stated shaking like crazy. Immediately 8I turned toward the beach. (29:26)• When I got hit, I knew it was over. (30:14)• I reached up to fire the ejection seat. I pulled it, and nothing happened. Never quit. (31:10)• Once I hit the ground, I was in about a foot of water, and the bullets were hitting the water all around me. (34:02)• [Melanie: Q: What happens to the plane?”] A: It blew up right after I ejected. (34:49)• At 36:22, Mike tells the story of his treatment when he was taken by the enemy.• When we got there, we were just beat up and tied up. We had about 3 weeks of that. (41:25)• We had 24” concrete slabs on either side. That’s what we slept on. (42:57)• We got no rice. The Vietnamese ate it all. (43:35)• My grandfather, who was an Army vet in Japan, when I went to war, he told me 2 things: Take care of your men, and don’t ever give up.(44:36)• [Melanie: Q: How long were you in there as a POW”] A: 8 months. (47:27)• When I got to Oakland, I made beer milkshakes. (55:03)• When I was at Clark, first thing I did – I sat in the shower for 2 hours. (55:28)• Guess where I git [a new car]? I won it on Hollywood Squares. (71:19)• If I can save 1 life from [writing] that book, it’s worth it. (80:53)Support Mike: - www.hopeandcourage.usSupport TNQ - IG: team_neverquit , marcusluttrell , melanieluttrell , huntero13 - https://www.patreon.com/teamneverquitSponsors: - Tractorsupply.com/hometownheroes - Navyfederal.org - Dripdrop.com/TNQ - ShopMando.com [Promo code: TNQ] - mizzenandmain.com [Promo code: TNQ20] - meetfabiric.com/TNQ - masterclass.com/TNQ - Prizepicks (TNQ) - cargurus.com/TNQ - armslist.com/TNQ - PXGapparel.com/TNQ - bruntworkwear.com/TNQ - Groundnews.com/TNQ - shipsticks.com/TNQ - stopboxusa.com {TNQ} - ghostbed.com/TNQ [TNQ] - kalshi.com/TNQ - joinbilt.com/TNQ - Tonal.com [TNQ] - greenlight.com/TNQ - PDSDebt.com/TNQ - drinkAG1.com/TNQ - Hims.com/TNQ - Shopify.com/TNQ

More Than the Uniform: Greg Froelick’s Pursuit of PurposeThis week on the Team Never Quit Podcast, Marcus and Melanie sit down with former Navy SEAL and private aviation businessman*, Greg Froelick—a man who has dedicated his life to excellence, discipline, and service both on and off the battlefield.Greg’s journey began after college, when he chose to serve his country and earned his place among the elite ranks of the U.S. Navy SEAL Teams. His time in special operations sharpened his perspective on resilience, teamwork, and intentional living—lessons he now carries into every corner of his life.After leaving the military, Greg transitioned into the medical sales industry, where he quickly proved himself in a competitive arena. His combination of grit, professionalism, and mission-focused thinking eventually opened the door to his next chapter with EMCJET, a premier group in the private aviation space. Today, he plays a key role on the EMCJET team, helping deliver world-class service with a warrior’s level of precision and accountability.Greg recounts his experience aiding in the recovery efforts following the July 4th Camp Mystic flood disaster. He and Marcus reflect on their immediate decision to head to the affected area, coordinating the logistics required to make a meaningful impact—joining forces with several fellow Navy SEALs to provide help where it was needed most.Greg’s story is a reminder that your mission doesn’t end when one chapter closes. Whether in uniform or in business, he continues to serve — helping others live with intention.In this episode you will hear:• We shouldn’t be on no defense - Department of Defense. This is the Department of War. We don’t go on defense. You step up, and we’ll come in and crush the shit out of you. (19:02)• Got into private aviation. It’s like a real estate agent for private jets. (22:46)• [The gate at Camp Mystic] was twisted. You can’t talk about it and do it justice – the way it was twisted steel. (34:46)• We’re not by any means a search and rescue outfit, but we knew that we could help. (36:31)• We’re this close to being signed up to be a care coalition. It’s a safe place to land. (36:51)• You’re at that point where “I hope I don’t find anything” [and at the same time] “I hope I find it.” (41:01)• When the cadaver dogs showed up and the backhoe maintainers showed up – Game Changers. (41:16)• The one’s that’ll never get any attention or no one will ever know who they are the drivers of the maintainers. (41:51)• How many times did we walk on somebody before we even found ‘em, because they were buried under the dirt from the Cypress trees. (43:30)• This is why it was key to have the cadaver dogs because of everything else that was dead around it: horses, pigs, deer, dogs. (44:02)• Everything aside from the situation – A lot of good came from all that. (46:55)• The more people sometimes – the harder it becomes. Everybody just wants to help. We were fortunate to get in the way we got in. (48:27)• No one was there yet. It was just us. (48:40)Support Greg:https://300justiceroad.com/ Support TNQ - IG: team_neverquit , marcusluttrell , melanieluttrell , huntero13 - https://www.patreon.com/teamneverquitSponsors: - Tractorsupply.com/hometownheroes - Navyfederal.org - meetfabiric.com/TNQ - masterclass.com/TNQ - Prizepicks (TNQ) - Dripdrop.com/TNQ - cargurus.com/TNQ - armslist.com/TNQ - PXGapparel.com/TNQ - bruntworkwear.com/TNQ - Selectquote.com/TNQ - Groundnews.com/TNQ - shipsticks.com/TNQ - strawberry.me/TNQ - stopboxusa.com {TNQ} - ghostbed.com/TNQ [TNQ] - kalshi.com/TNQ - joinbilt.com/TNQ - Tonal.com [TNQ] - greenlight.com/TNQ - PDSDebt.com/TNQ - drinkAG1.com/TNQ - Shadyrays.com [TNQ] - qualialife.com/TNQ [TNQ] - Hims.com/TNQ - Shopify.com/TNQ - Aura.com/TNQ - TAKELEAN.com [TNQ] - usejoymode.com [TNQ]

From SEAL to Studio: The Art of Grit with Justin HughesIn this week’s episode of the Team Never Quit Podcast, Marcus, Melanie, and Hunter sit down with Justin Hughes — former Navy SEAL turned professional oil painter — whose journey from the battlefield to the art studio embodies the essence of transformation, discipline, and creative courage.Based out of Charleston, South Carolina, Justin has redefined what it means to serve and to create. As a self-taught representational artist, he channels the lessons, emotions, and intensity of his time in the SEAL Teams into his paintings, merging the warrior spirit with the sensitivity of the fine arts. His mission is to bridge two seemingly distant worlds — the world of combat and the world of creativity — revealing that both demand vision, perseverance, and heart.Listeners will hear how Justin’s childhood in Southeast Asia, and a fateful encounter with Lone Survivor sparked a dream that would change his life forever. His story takes us through the rigors of SEAL training, moments of doubt and triumph, and the eventual transition from military service to artistry — a path shaped by struggle, purpose, and redemption.Through his brushstrokes, Justin explores what it means to be a modern warrior — one who fights not only on the battlefield but also in the soul. Drawing comparisons to the renaissance genius Leonardo da Vinci, Hughes uses his art to express the beauty within discipline and the strength found in vulnerability. In this episode you will hear:• My dad was a Huey pilot. (8:44)• I grew up all over Southeast Asia (9:20)• I was thinking: Whatever is gonna be the hardest thing to do in the military; wherever that realm is, those are the people that want to be in those jobs the most. That’s gotta be where my people are at. (14:41)• One of the biggest misconceptions of BUDs is you can’t just show up and not quit. You still have to be a good team guy. You still have to do the work. You gotta be a performer. You gotta be a pro. We’re looking for the whole man. (21:05)• For those of you who don’t know what pool competency is. It’s the hardest single test in BUDs. (37:55)• When I first started painting, I didn’t know any artists. I didn’t know anything about art. (62:48)• [Melanie] Q: What’s your goal with art? A: Just to be better every day. And continue to provide paintings that are meaningful to people. To glorify the Lord through whatever work I’m doing. (74:30)• I’m still saying “Hooyah! like turrets. (75:25)• It takes a lot of bad work. You’ve gotta be patient with the process. Sometimes a really good thing will look really bad for a long time for a long time before you can polish it up and make it into something beautiful. So… don’t quit. (86:43)Support Justin:www.justinhughesart.com - IG: justin_hughes_art Support TNQ - IG: team_neverquit , marcusluttrell , melanieluttrell , huntero13 - https://www.patreon.com/teamneverquitSponsors: - Tractorsupply.com/hometownheroes - Navyfederal.org - meetfabiric.com/TNQ - masterclass.com/TNQ - Prizepicks (TNQ) - Dripdrop.com/TNQ - cargurus.com/TNQ - armslist.com/TNQ - PXGapparel.com/TNQ - bruntworkwear.com/TNQ - Selectquote.com/TNQ - Groundnews.com/TNQ - shipsticks.com/TNQ - strawberry.me/TNQ - stopboxusa.com {TNQ} - ghostbed.com/TNQ [TNQ] - kalshi.com/TNQ - joinbilt.com/TNQ - Tonal.com [TNQ] - greenlight.com/TNQ - PDSDebt.com/TNQ - drinkAG1.com/TNQ - Shadyrays.com [TNQ] - qualialife.com/TNQ [TNQ] - Hims.com/TNQ - Shopify.com/TNQ - Aura.com/TNQ - TAKELEAN.com [TNQ] - usejoymode.com [TNQ]

The Crawl: How Jake Schmitt Survived a Mountain Crash — Thanks to His DogIn this week’s Team Never Quit Podcast, Marcus & Melanie sit down with Utah hunting guide Jake Schmitt to hear his incredible story of survival in the Uintah Mountains. What began as a summer scouting trip for mule deer turned into an 11-hour crawl for his life — with only his dog, Buddy, by his side.Jake shares how he went from releasing an elk calf from a trap to being crushed in a UTV rollover, and how his knowledge of self-rescue, grit, and an extraordinary bond with his German shorthaired pointer helped him make it out alive. What You’ll Learn in This Episode:• How a routine scouting trip in the Uintah Mountains went horribly wrong• The split-second decisions that led to the UTV rollover and Jake’s devastating injuries• Why his dog Buddy became the key to his survival — providing motivation & warmth• Field-tested self-rescue skills every outdoorsperson should know• Jake’s recovery process, and how he’s preparing to return to the mountains and the buck he first spottedKey Moments:• The Hunt: Scouting for a velvet mule deer buck in remote country• The Rescue: Freeing an elk calf from a trap moments before disaster struck• The Crash: A UTV rollover shattering bones and gear — but not Jake’s resolve• The Crawl: 11 hours of crawling, crossing creeks, and following Buddy’s promptings to safety• The Recovery: Rods, screws, and staples — but a plan to guide hunters again this fallThis episode is more than a survival story. It’s about preparedness, mindset, and the unbreakable bond between a hunter and his dog. Whether you hunt, hike, or just love hearing how ordinary people survive extraordinary situations, this conversation will stay with you.In this episode you will hear:• In between normal life and sports, I always was hunting. (7:12)• Welding funds my guiding addiction. (8:54)• The incredible story of Jake’s accident and subsequent crawl for his life starts here. (22:03• [Jake’s dog, Buddy] went with it. He came up and found me. (26:40)• So, what I ended up doing was grabbing this and summersaulting down. It doesn’t sound like that far, but it was like 100 feet. It was a good tumble, and I’m just screaming. (31:25)• I’ve been guiding way up north where I’ve seen a German Shepherd get baited into the woods by wolves and they rip him to shreds. (33:12)• The first thing I thought was I have no light. How the hell am I gonna do this? I don’t even know where I’m going. (33:33)• I’m dragging the leg, and I’m going so far downhill that if I try to turn around, I start to tumble, but if I go the other way I drag and drag, but you’re going up and over this, up and over that, you’re going under this log, you’re going over that log, so I’ve gone maybe a third of a mile in 3 hours. And I’m like I’m gonna die out here. (36:53)• Jake’s explanation of flipping over on his knee and break his leg again, and Buddy finally gets it. (38:19)• It was 4 miles of straight rock. (44:34)• At the time mentally, I am just gone. But the dog as there and I felt obligated. (45:54)• At some point I just got it out of my head: Whatever’s gonna happen is gonna happen. At that moment, something changed in me. (58:10)• The best PT for me is doing the same damn thing that I was doing. (64:34)Support TNQ - IG: team_neverquit , marcusluttrell , melanieluttrell , huntero13 - https://www.patreon.com/teamneverquitSponsors: - Navyfederal.org - meetfabiric.com/TNQ - masterclass.com/TNQ - Prizepicks (TNQ) - Dripdrop.com/TNQ - cargurus.com/TNQ - armslist.com/TNQ - PXGapparel.com/TNQ - bruntworkwear.com/TNQ - Selectquote.com/TNQ - Groundnews.com/TNQ - shipsticks.com/TNQ - strawberry.me/TNQ - stopboxusa.com {TNQ} - ghostbed.com/TNQ [TNQ] - kalshi.com/TNQ - joinbilt.com/TNQ - Tonal.com [TNQ] - greenlight.com/TNQ - PDSDebt.com/TNQ - drinkAG1.com/TNQ - Shadyrays.com [TNQ] - qualialife.com/TNQ [TNQ] - Hims.com/TNQ - Shopify.com/TNQ - Aura.com/TNQ - TAKELEAN.com [TNQ] - usejoymode.com [TNQ]

Exposing Big Food, Big Pharma, and the Path to True HealthIn this week’s episode, Marcus, Melanie meet with Calley Means — entrepreneur, healthcare reform advocate, and co-founder of TrueMed. Calley has been making waves in the national conversation about health, nutrition, and the systems driving chronic disease.As a former consultant to some of the largest food and pharmaceutical companies in the world, Calley offers a rare insider’s perspective on how financial incentives can prioritize profits over people. Now, through TrueMed, he’s working to flip the script — helping Americans use tax-free health savings accounts to pay for food, exercise, wellness coaching, and other preventative health measures.Calley is also the co-author (with his sister) of the bestselling book Good Energy, which explores the connection between metabolism and health, and he’s an investor in companies tackling metabolic health, mental health, and longevity. A graduate of Stanford University and Harvard Business School, Calley also co-founded Anomalie, a custom bridal brand later acquired by David’s Bridal.In this powerful and eye-opening conversation, Calley shares:•How his insider view of Big Food and Big Pharma shaped his mission to reform healthcare•The shocking incentives that drive the chronic disease crisis in America•How TrueMed empowers people to use HSAs and FSAs for healthy living•The link between metabolism, mental health, and performance — and why it matters for every American•Why systemic change requires both personal responsibility and policy reformWhether you’re a health professional, a parent trying to improve your family’s nutrition, or simply curious about the future of healthcare, this episode will challenge assumptions and offer practical solutions.Don’t miss this episode with Calley Means — a candid, informed, and inspiring discussion on how we can take back control of our health.In this episode you will hear:• [Marcus] We turned a vegan into a meat-eater. A vegetarian was working at our house and smelled [Mama Holly’s Prime Rib] and said “What is that?” And I said that’s prime rib and said “I’m a vegetarian.” I said “I don’t know man. I think you might give this one a whirl.” (3:20)• Pharmaceutical is about 50% of TV advertising. (5:50)• The 2 ways you get researchers money is just research grants (that’s their life blood) and direct bribes. (7:10) • Anxiety was created as a sub-category of medicine in the 1970s, explicitly by pharmaceutical companies who had Valium to sell. (8:21)• If you can make obesity a national standard and tell people it’s not you fault and jab them for a lifetime – that’s a profitable patient. (18:33)• 25% of women are on some kind of psychiatric drugs, That produces reoccurring appointments and prescriptions. (20:01)• A doctor is a medical drug doctor. They’re a drug prescriber. Who made that rule? That’s not how it is in other countries. (22:51)• [Marcus] If you tell yourself your body is a racecar, or a fighter jet, or a monster truck, what kind of fuel are you putting in that sucker? (36:40)• If you can get seed oils, processed sugar and processed grains out of you house, that gets you about 80% there [the single most important thing a household could do.]• I think people should be more scared. I think we should have apps and blood tests and doctors telling people “You’re not gonna make it through your life to meet your grandkids.” (41:57)• [Farmers] have low prices, high input costs, more weather challenges, trade issues that aren’t their fault. They’re taking it from all fronts. (59:05)• The system is built for drugs, not medicine right now. Drugs are profitable, healing is not profitable. Thriving is not profitable. (65:56)Support Calley: Book --> https://a.co/d/8T7DaqJ Support TNQ - IG: team_neverquit , marcusluttrell , melanieluttrell , huntero13 - https://www.patreon.com/teamneverquitSponsors: - Navyfederal.org - meetfabiric.com/TNQ - masterclass.com/TNQ - Prizepicks (TNQ) - Dripdrop.com/TNQ - cargurus.com/TNQ - armslist.com/TNQ - PXGapparel.com/TNQ - bruntworkwear.com/TNQ - Selectquote.com/TNQ - Groundnews.com/TNQ - shipsticks.com/TNQ - strawberry.me/TNQ - stopboxusa.com {TNQ} - ghostbed.com/TNQ [TNQ] - kalshi.com/TNQ - joinbilt.com/TNQ - Tonal.com [TNQ] - greenlight.com/TNQ - PDSDebt.com/TNQ - drinkAG1.com/TNQ - Shadyrays.com [TNQ] - qualialife.com/TNQ [TNQ] - Hims.com/TNQ - Shopify.com/TNQ - Aura.com/TNQ - TAKELEAN.com [TNQ] - usejoymode.com [TNQ]