The 4th Wave in Therapy

Dr Carol Look In this engaging conversation, Dr. Carol Look, a founding EFT master, shares her journey from traditional psychotherapy to energy psychology, emphasising the transformative power of EFT tapping and gratitude. The discussion explores the concepts of healing, anxiety, resistance, and family patterns, while highlighting the importance of finding one's own 'yes' and the scientific benefits of gratitude practices. Carol's insights provide valuable tools for therapists and clients alike, showcasing how tapping can facilitate emotional healing and personal growth. Dr Carol Look is a psychotherapist, Founding EFT Master, international speaker, and best-selling author of 2 books: The Yes Code: Transforming Sabotage into Success. and Yes, Thank You: Tapping Into the Superpower of Gratitude. Carol combines her traditional training as a psychotherapist with clinical hypnosis and advanced applications of EFT Tapping for unprecedented results with her clients. Known for her laser-like focus and state-of-the-art approach, Carol has used EFT Tapping for over 25 years to help clients release their limiting beliefs and emotional conflicts so they can enjoy lives of exceptional success and fulfilment. Carol is a world-renowned EFT workshop presenter and has taught workshops in England, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Ireland, Canada, Australia, and all over the United States. She is a regularly featured energy medicine expert on leading global tele-summits, and is featured as a top expert in the field’s leading documentaries. For more on Carol’s programs, visit www.CarolLook.com. Websites: www.carollook.com www.theyescode.com https://www.carollook.com/blog/ https://www.carollook.com/abundance-store/  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-carol-look 

Dr Lorne Brown In this engaging conversation, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Lorne Brown, exploring the intersection of acupuncture and tapping therapies like EFT. They discuss how emotions are stored in the body, the importance of daily tapping for emotional regulation, and the impact of cosmetic procedures on acupoints. The conversation delves into specific acupoints, their significance, and how understanding these can enhance the effectiveness of tapping therapies. In this enlightening conversation, Lorne Brown and Dr. Peta Stapleton delve into the intricate relationship between acupuncture, EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques), and emotional health. They explore how tapping therapies can facilitate emotional release, the importance of understanding acupuncture points, and the potential contraindications in therapy. The discussion emphasizes the integration of EFT and acupuncture for a holistic approach to healing, highlighting the significance of staying present with emotions during the process. Dr. Lorne Brown is the Clinical Director of Acubalance Wellness Centre, and the of Founder Pro D Seminars, Medigogy, and the Integrative Fertility Symposium. After a career as a Chartered Professional Accountant (CPA), Lorne received his Doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine at Vancouver’s International College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Lorne has extensive postgraduate training in gynecology, obstetrics, and reproductive medicine. In 2012, Lorne published the Acubalance Fertility Diet which is made available for free through the Acubalance website. Dr. Brown has successfully integrated his entrepreneurial skills and background as a CPA with his passion for Chinese Medicine establishing a very successful fertility practice (Acubalance.ca) and pioneering online continuing education through Pro D Seminars and Medigogy.com as well as the Integrative Fertility Symposium for Chinese Medicine Practitioners worldwide. I am passionate about helping my patients harness their inner healer and become active participants in their own healthcare. I strongly believe in the importance of an integrative approach to health, which led me to establish the Acubalance Wellness Centre in 2000. I continually seek out and obtain certification in various energy psychology / belief change modalities – including clinical hypnotherapy, Neuro-Linguistic Programming, PSYCH-K Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) and Rapid Transformational Therapy (RTT) – and I incorporate these belief change modalities in my acupuncture & laser sessions with my patients. My aim is to empower them to take the reins of their physical and emotional well-being. In addition to my role as Clinical Director at Acubalance Wellness Centre, I founded Healthy Seminars to provide acupuncturists and functional medicine practitioners with access to a comprehensive selection of online continuing education courses. In 2015, I founded the Integrative Fertility Symposium, which is the largest conference focusing on treating reproductive health issues using an integrative approach. Website: https://lornebrown.com/  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-lorne-brown 

Dr Hayley Kelly In this episode, Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Hayley Kelly, a clinical psychologist, discussing the challenges within the mental health system, the burnout faced by therapists, and the disconnect between therapy practices and business skills. They explore the evolving expectations of clients and the need for innovation in therapy to better serve the community. We delve into the evolving landscape of therapy practices, exploring the critical need for innovation and adaptation in the field. As societal challenges and technological advancements reshape the way we approach mental health, therapists are called to embrace new methods and tools to enhance their practice. Join us as I chat with Dr Hayley Kelly and discover how innovation is not just an option but a necessity in the future world of mental health care. Dr. Hayley Kelly is a clinical psychologist, speaker, and founder of Therapists Rising. With over a decade in the therapy room and a PhD in psychology, Hayley now helps therapists expand their impact beyond one-to-one work through her Mental Health 3.0 framework — a future-ready model for thriving in a digital-first, ethically complex mental health landscape. Her work bridges evidence-based clinical excellence with innovation, equity, and accessibility, equipping therapists to adapt, lead, and create change in a system that’s struggling to keep pace with the world around it. Website: https://therapistsrising.com/  Show notes and resources are available here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-hayley-kelly 

Marcus Pearce  In this engaging conversation, Dr Peta Stapleton and Marcus Pearce explore the themes of longevity, life design, and the cultural practices of blue zones that contribute to exceptional aging. They discuss the importance of purpose, connection, and active learning in fostering a fulfilling life. The conversation emphasizes the need to shift beliefs about aging and the significance of shared meals and mindfulness in enhancing quality of life. Marcus shares insights from his research and interviews with centenarians, highlighting the simple yet profound practices that can lead to a longer, healthier life. No matter your family history or your genes, Marcus Pearce believes that it’s not all downhill from here and that your best years are in front of you, not behind you. Marcus Pearce is a longevity and life design strategist and host of 100 Not Out, Australia’s longest running podcast on ageing well and longevity. He is the author of the best-selling book Your Exceptional Life and each year takes small groups to the European Blue Zones of Sardinia and the Greek Island Ikaria - known as the island where people forget to die. Marcus has spent the past decade interviewing and researching more than 200 of the world’s centenarians, graceful agers, health professionals and icons of humanity. Website: www.marcuspearce.com.au Email: marcus@marcuspearce.com.au Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/marcus-pearce 

Dr Larry Burk In this episode of the Fourth Wave in Therapy podcast, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Larry Burk, a holistic musculoskeletal radiologist, about the mind-body connection, particularly focusing on frozen shoulder and the emotions associated with it. They discuss Larry's personal journey into holistic healing, the role of emotions like anger and grief in physical ailments, and various healing modalities including EFT and expressive writing. The conversation also touches on the medical field's evolving perspective on mind-body healing and the significance of dreams in understanding our emotional health. Larry Burk, MD, CEHP, is a retired holistic musculoskeletal radiologist who now works as an online health coach and Certified Energy Health Practitioner. He trained in hypnosis in 1990. Dr. Burk did his medical school and radiology residency training at the University of Pittsburgh and a fellowship at the University of Pennsylvania. He was an associate professor of radiology and head of the musculoskeletal section at Duke University. He was co-founder and education director of Duke Integrative Medicine and took the UCLA Acupuncture for Physicians course in 1998. Larry learned Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) in 2002 and has taught tapping at Duke Integrative Medicine since 2016. His EFT mentors are Carol Look and  Margaret Lynch Raniere. He facilitates the monthly Dream Study Group for the Rhine Research Center on Zoom. He has published three books, Let Magic Happen: Adventures in Healing with a Holistic Radiologist in 2012, Dreams That Can Save Your Life: Early Warning Signs of Cancer and Other Diseases in 2018, Frozen Shoulder Healing: Diagnostic Methods and Treatment Options in 2025. Details about his coaching practice, newsletters, blogs, and videos can be found on his website. Website: https://letmagichappen.com/.  Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-larry-burk 

Dr Philip Friedman Peta and Dr Phil have the most extraordinary conversation here. They actually share about how Phil trained under the Cognitive Behavioural Therapy giants and greats, when CBT was just emerged and considered quackery and ridiculous. Phil shares that he has seen many therapies be rejected and then embraced - this was a refreshing conversation! It also gave me great hope in the 4th wave approaches. Part of what has driven Phil all these years, is searching for the tools that would help his clients - he found the 4th wave approaches well before we did! Phil has contributed so much in the area of developing psychological measures and therapy tools (links below) - he is truly a giant in the psychology field.  Note: about 3 months after this interviewed was recorded, I (Peta) received news that Phil had passed. He was still seeing clients from his nursing home and positively impacting the lives of those he touched. I was quietly devastated but eternally grateful I was able to have this conversation and record Phil's journey through the decades.  About Dr Phillip Friedman Philip H. Friedman, PhD, was a licensed psychologist and Director of the Foundation for Well-Being, in Lansdale, Pennsylvania. He is the author of “The Forgiveness Solution” and “Creating Well Being” in addition to the Friedman Assessment Scales on Well-Being, Beliefs, Quality of Life, Affect, Life Balance, Spiritual Awakening and the Mini-5 Factor Personality Scale. Dr. Friedman has published many articles in professional journals. He is also the developer of the ICBEST model of psychotherapy and strongly influenced by the spiritual disciplines of A Course in Miracles and Siddha Yoga. Dr. Friedman was an adjunct professor on the faculty of Sophia Univ. (formerly the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology). He is the founder of Integrative Forgiveness Psychotherapy (IFP), the Positive Pressure Point Techniques (PPPT), the Practice Based Evidence Approach (PBEA) and the Digital Assessment and Tracking Approach (DATA) to assessment and change. Dr. Friedman is trained in EFT, ART, CBT, GIT, EMDR, HYPNOSIS and many other techniques. His websites are: https://www.wikiphilipfriedman.com https://www.friedmanscales.com/ 

Brad Yates In this conversation, I interview EFT pioneer (and YouTube Tapping star) Brad Yates about his experience with EFT(Emotional Freedom Techniques). We discuss how Brad discovered EFT, the evolution of his practice, and the common issues that people seek EFT for. Brad shares his vision for the future of EFT and the impact it can have on individuals and society as a whole. He also shares a personal story of how EFT helped him overcome resistance and tap into his creativity.  You will love this conversation! Brad Yates is known internationally for his creative and often humorous use of Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT), also known as Tapping. Brad is the author of the best-selling children's book "The Wizard's Wish," the co-author of the best-seller "Freedom at Your Fingertips," and a featured expert in the film “The Tapping Solution.” He has also been a presenter at a number of events, including Jack Canfield's Breakthrough to Success, has done teleseminars with “The Secret” stars Bob Doyle and Dr. Joe Vitale, and has been heard internationally on a number of internet radio talk shows.  Brad also has over 1200 videos on YouTube, that have been viewed over 50 million times.  More info is available at www.tapwithbrad.com    Visit the podcast episode page for transcripts, show notes and more here  https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Brad-Yates 

Tapas Fleming  In this episode, Tapas Fleming, a pioneer in the energy psychology field, shares her journey of developing the Tapas Acupressure Technique (TAT). She was inspired to create a simpler, faster, and cheaper way to help her clients overcome allergies. Through her exploration, she discovered specific acupuncture points that, when touched, improved the effectiveness of her treatments. This led her to develop the TAT pose, which involves touching specific points on the face and head. TAT is a powerful tool for healing emotional trauma and updating outdated beliefs and emotions. It can also be used to address intergenerational trauma. For show notes, transcripts and more visit the podcast page here https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Tapas-Fleming About Tapas Fleming After facilitating personal growth for many years, Tapas Fleming became interested in physical and energetic healing. She became a Licensed Acupuncturist and began her practice in 1987, specializing in the treatment of allergies. Searching for a simple, effective treatment, Tapas developed TAT in 1993. She soon realized that in addition to relieving her patients' allergic reactions, TAT was clearing the effects of their past stressful or traumatic experiences in an easy, gentle way. Now one of the most celebrated leaders in energy psychology, Tapas has taught TAT to hundreds of thousands of enthusiastic people worldwide. The TAT Story -  https://tatlife.com/what-is-tat/the-tat-story-by-tapas-fleming/ Website:  https://tatlife.com Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/tatlifehome YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/user/TATLifeVideos Tiktok:  https://www.tiktok.com/@tatlife_

Dr Bob Schwarz In this conversation, Peta Stapleton and Dr. Bob Schwartz discuss the concept of the fourth wave in therapy and the role of energy psychology. They explore the importance of integrating the body into therapy and the connection between energy psychology and polyvagal theory. They also discuss the challenges of acceptance in the traditional field of therapy and the need for more research and understanding. Their vision for the future includes the widespread use of energy psychology for self-regulation and the treatment of adverse childhood events. For show notes, transcripts and more visit the podcast page here  https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Bob-Schwarz   Robert Schwarz, PsyD, DCEP has been a licensed psychologist for over 35 years. Since 2008, Bob has been the executive director of the Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology (www.energypsych.org).  Dr. Schwarz has organized over 30 conferences on Ericksonian hypnosis, brief therapy, trauma treatment, and energy psychology training over 18,000 therapists. He organized ACEP’s Science of energy healing online programs attended by over 5000 people.  He co-developed ACEP’s online EFT training program.  Dr. Schwarz has been a leading force for integrating EFT/EP with trauma informed treatment, interpersonal neurobiology and polyvagal theory.   He has authored 3 books: Tools for Transforming Trauma (2002) and PTSD: A clinician’s Guide (1991) and We’re No Fun Anymore: Guiding Couples to a Joy Filled Marriage Through the Power of Play (2011), as well as numerous articles and papers, including Energy Psychology as a Polyvagal Intervention for Trauma (2018).   Bob presents workshops and keynotes internationally on EFT and energy psychology, trauma treatment, panic and anxiety. He is known for his ability to provide specific clinical skills within an integrative model. Participants consistently comment that his workshops are engaging and entertaining, full of humor as well as deeply moving demonstrations.     He attempts to balance his life with his passion for songwriting singing and playing guitar.  His music can be found on his band’s website Liftstreetmusic.com  and his studio album can be found on any streaming service (Lookup Lift Street).  

Dr Kim D'Eramo Dr. Kim D'Eramo, a physician and practitioner of mind-body medicine, discusses the concept of miraculous healing and the importance of taking science one step further. She emphasizes the connection between emotional distress and physical symptoms, highlighting the role of fear and shame in suppressing the body's natural healing abilities. Dr. D'Eramo shares her personal journey of healing from a severe autoimmune disease and explains the power of awareness, breath, and movement in facilitating healing. She also discusses the emergence of the fourth wave of therapy, which focuses on the mind-body connection and the role of consciousness in healthcare. In this conversation with Dr Kim, you will learn the 3 steps to take and ask when you are looking for the answers - whether this be for a physical illness, pain or other issues, these questions are worth learning! The show notes, transcripts and more are on the podcast page here  https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Kim-D'Eramo  About Dr Kim Dr Kim D'Eramo is a Physician, Best-Selling Author of The MindBody ToolKit, & Founder of the American Institute of MindBody Medicine. She is a conscious physician who shares MindBody Medicine for resolving fatigue, pain, anxiety, autoimmue illness, and more.  Visit Kim here https://drkimd.com/  Dr Kim's podcast Mind Body TV is here https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mindbody-tv-podcast-with-dr-kim-deramo/id1382800189?mt=2 

Dr Christine McKee Dr Peta talks with Dr Christine McKee in this episode - about relationships and relational health. They discuss the role of the autonomic nervous system in deep connection, and intimacy, and the different tools that can be used to regulate (oneself and in a couple).  Chris discusses her approach to working with couples in therapy, focusing on somatic and relational health. She emphasizes the importance of regulation and attachment in relationships, and how these factors impact the ability to be present and connected. Dr. McKee explains her step-by-step process, starting with self-regulation and then moving to co-regulation, where couples practice techniques such as eye contact, light touch, and non-distracted space. She also highlights the significance of tempo and pacing in therapy, ensuring that the slowest person's needs are met. The goal is to create a safe and regulated environment where vulnerable conversations can take place. For show notes, transcripts, resources and more visit the podcast episode page here https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/Dr-Christine-McKee Christine discusses a guide she created just for our listeners - An Orienting to Now Tools Guide What you get inside the Guide:  6 x quick tips to self-regulate prior to and during a session, as a practitioner  5 x practical Orienting to Now tools to share with client  Free download is available here https://www.drchristinemckee.com/Orienting_to_Now_Tools_Guide  About Dr Christine McKee Christine is a a New Zealand born, Aussie-raised, Canada living psychologist (Australia), master practitioner in clinical counselling (Canada), with 20 years of hands-on clinical and corporate experience. She has had the pleasure of working alongside amazing individuals, couples, families, leaders, and teams across diverse industries and countries and her passion has always been people. Chirtsine is especially focussed on helping people to thrive in healthy relationships - be it partner, parent, family, work, or friendships.  Visit Christine and her work https://www.drchristinemckee.com/home