The Bandwich Tapes

On this episode of The Bandwich Tapes, I sit down with John Cowan, a musician whose voice has been part of my own musical memory since I first heard New Grass Revival as a kid at the Georgia Mountain Fair in Hiawassee, Georgia.John and I talk about his early influences, from Paul McCartney and Duck Dunn to Leon Russell, and how he developed as both a singer and a bass player. We also dig into the specific challenge of singing lead while holding down the low end, especially when the bass part and vocal line are moving in different rhythmic directions.The conversation moves through John’s years with New Grass Revival, his deep admiration for Sam Bush’s rhythm, and the way bluegrass taught him the power of simplicity. John also reflects on finding his own voice after years of being able to imitate other singers, and how joining New Grass Revival forced him to become himself as a vocalist.We also talk about his work with The Doobie Brothers, his respect for Tiran Porter’s bass lines, singing harmony, working with Andrea Zonn, Luke Bulla, and The HercuLeons, and the gratitude that comes from a life spent standing beside remarkable musicians.Key Takeaways • John reflects on the impact of New Grass Revival and how joining the band helped him discover his own voice. • He talks about the challenge of singing lead while playing bass, especially when the bass line is syncopated. • Paul McCartney, Duck Dunn, Leon Russell, Little Feat, Stevie Wonder, and Gregg Allman all shaped John’s early musical world. • Playing bluegrass taught John the beauty and power of simplicity. • John describes Sam Bush as one of the greatest rhythmic forces in bluegrass music. • His role with The Doobie Brothers gives him the chance to honor Tiran Porter’s melodic and highly musical bass parts. • John speaks openly about recovery, community, discipline, and the work of becoming a better person over time.Music from the Episode Georgia Rhythm - John CowanDevil Woman - John CowanHold to a Dream - New Grass RevivalYou Plant Your Fields - New Grass RevivalTake Me to the Alley - The HerculeonsI'm Just Not Ready - John Cowan About the PodcastThe Bandwich Tapes is a music interview podcast hosted by Brad Williams. Each episode features thoughtful conversations with musicians, songwriters, composers, producers, and artists about craft, collaboration, creative process, musical identity, and the way music actually gets made.Connect with the ShowEmail: contact@thebandwichtapes.com

On this episode of The Bandwich Tapes, I sit down with pianist, composer, producer, and sound designer Dave Mackay for a thoughtful conversation about musical identity, touring life, and the creative possibilities that live between composition, improvisation, and sound.Dave reflects on the strange rhythm of life on the road, especially after years of near-constant touring. We talk about the physical and emotional shift from playing for massive audiences to suddenly being home, and how that quiet space can bring a different kind of reflection. He speaks honestly about performance, nerves, and why playing the piano can feel natural while speaking into a microphone can still feel unnerving.We also trace his musical path, from early piano lessons in England to his studies in London and at Berklee College of Music in Boston. Dave shares how a perceptive childhood teacher encouraged him not just to learn music, but to develop his own voice. That thread carries through the entire conversation, from his improvisational instincts as a child to the way he builds sounds, writes records, and approaches collaboration now.A major part of our conversation centers on Dave’s remarkable body of original work, including his Three trilogy: L.A., Nashville, and Utopia, and his album The Looking Chamber. We talk about the influence of the Esbjörn Svensson Trio, the creative chemistry of working in a trio format, and how sound design and composition constantly inform one another in his music. Dave also shares why he prefers creating his own keyboard patches rather than relying on presets, and how his relationship with Nord keyboards grew out of that sonic curiosity.We close by talking about his work touring with Brandi Carlile, how that opportunity came together through Lucius, and why he remains passionate about live music that breathes naturally rather than being locked to click tracks and playback. It’s a conversation about artistry, listening, taste, and learning how to trust your own instincts, both on stage and in the studio.Key TakeawaysDave talks candidly about the physical and emotional reality of life on tour, and why the transition back home can feel just as intense as the touring itself.He shares how improvisation has been part of his musical voice from the very beginning, even as a young piano student.Dave reflects on the importance of great teachers and how one early mentor helped him develop his own sound rather than imposing someone else’s.We discuss the origin of his Three trilogy — L.A., Nashville, and Utopia — and how those records grew out of improvisation, friendship, and experimentation.Dave offers a fascinating look at sound design, explaining how creating his own patches and textures is integral to his compositional identity.He talks about touring with Brandi Carlile and why live music feels most alive to him when musicians listen and respond in real time.The conversation becomes a broader meditation on trust: trusting your ears, your collaborators, and the artistic choices that feel most like you.Music from the EpisodeAll the Same - Dave MackayHere in the Vastness - Dave MackayImpulse - Dave MackayProphecies - Dave MackayTrust Goddess - Dave MackayAbout the PodcastThe Bandwich Tapes is my chance to sit down with musicians, composers, songwriters, and creative artists I admire for honest conversations about craft, collaboration, career, and the deeper musical ideas that shape their work. It’s a show about process, perspective, and the stories behind a life in music.Connect with the ShowEmail: contact@thebandwichtapes.com

On this episode of The Bandwich Tapes, I sit down with bassist Tim Lefebvre for a conversation about groove, adaptability, tone, and what it really means to serve the music. Tim has built one of the most distinctive and wide-ranging careers in modern bass playing, with credits spanning jazz, rock, pop, experimental music, and singer-songwriter projects. From David Bowie’s Blackstar to Tedeschi Trucks Band, Wayne Krantz, and countless sessions in between, Tim has become one of those rare players whose sound is unmistakable yet fits almost anywhere.We begin by talking about his 2026 so far, which includes recording work, short touring runs, a date with Nate Smith and Jason Lindner, upcoming shows in Italy with Tiziano Ferro, and a tour with Melissa Etheridge. From there, we get into one of the central tensions of a working musician’s life: how to bring your own identity to a project while still honoring the artist, the songs, and the original recordings. Tim has strong instincts here, and he speaks with great clarity about choosing simplicity, resisting overplaying, and understanding what the music actually needs.One of my favorite parts of this conversation is hearing Tim talk about some of the landmark experiences in his career. We discuss the Bryan Adams tour, the joy of playing huge songs in front of large crowds, and then spend time on David Bowie’s Blackstar, including how Tim approached the sessions, how much of the rhythmic language was already implied in Bowie’s demos, and how some of the bass textures on songs like “Lazarus” emerged naturally in the room. Tim also reflects on the creative freedom and trust inside Tedeschi Trucks Band, and what it felt like to be part of a band that could take real improvisational chances in front of thousands of people.Along the way, we talk gear, compression, pedals, picks, strings, remote recording, favorite drummers, the differences between New York and Los Angeles, sobriety, and some of the bass players who shaped his ear early on, including James Jamerson, Paul McCartney, Darryl Jones, Marcus Miller, Victor Bailey, Jaco Pastorius, and Tony Levin. This is a conversation about craft, but also about judgment, restraint, and learning to make the right choice in the moment.Key TakeawaysTim Lefebvre talks about balancing personal identity with the responsibility of serving the artist, the arrangement, and the song.He shares stories from the making of David Bowie’s Blackstar, including how parts of “Lazarus” developed in the studio.Tim reflects on the musical and emotional intensity of playing with Tedeschi Trucks Band and the freedom that the group allowed onstage.He discusses his early path from saxophone to bass, his father’s influence, and learning on real gigs at a young age.The conversation explores how bass playing varies with the drummer and what Tim listens for when locking in with someone new.Tim also gets into gear, including pick playing, flats versus rounds, bass compression, distortion, reverb, and how pedals can shape creative ideas.We talk openly about sobriety, professional growth, and how life experience changes the way a musician shows up on and off the bandstand.Music from the EpisodeAnyhow - Tedeschi Trucks BandShake Loose - Donny McCaslinIt's No Fun Not to Like Pop - Krantz/Carlock/LefebvreHanging On - KnowerBlackstar - David BowieAbout the PodcastThe Bandwich Tapes is a podcast where I sit down with musicians, songwriters, producers, and creative people for thoughtful conversations about craft, collaboration, career, and the experiences that shape a life in music. It is a show about process, perspective, and the human side of making art.Connect with the Showcontact@thebandwichtapes.com

On this episode of The Bandwich Tapes, I sit down with singer and songwriter Lila Forde for a conversation that feels like it’s unfolding mid-song, equal parts instinct, craft, and heart. I actually discovered Lila in the most “Bandwich” way possible: while preparing for my episode with Larry Goldings, I heard her voice in a video and immediately texted a few musician friends saying, “You need to hear this singer.” That moment led to this conversation.Lila shares how her collaboration with Larry Goldings has been developing, and the creative process behind it: record everything, follow the spark, and build outward from the accidental moments that feel alive. Hearing her describe that approach, trusting discovery instead of forcing results, made me even more excited about what they’re creating together.We spend a lot of time talking about voice, not range or technique, but identity. Lila recalls a powerful moment from John Legend during her time on The Voice: "Don’t try to out-sing anyone… just be Lila." That idea opens up a deeper conversation about influence versus imitation, the pressure to fit into genre boxes, and the constant temptation to chase whatever sound the internet is rewarding in the moment.Lila’s musical roots run deep, from classical piano at home to years in the Seattle Girls Choir, and later jazz studies that reshaped how she hears harmony and melody. She explains how ear training and solfege still influence her songwriting today, and why understanding just a little bit of theory can unlock creative freedom for singers.We also talk honestly about the gig-life reality that many musicians know well: some of your biggest growth happens when nobody is paying attention. For Lila, that meant years of hotel-lobby gigs, four hours a night, five nights a week, where she learned to experiment, take risks, and build a durable musical voice. We close by talking about her debut album Vessel, recorded live with the band in just three days, and how she’s stepping into a bigger creative leadership role as she works on her next record.Key TakeawaysAuthenticity defines artistic voice — the goal isn’t to out-sing others, but to sound like yourself.Creative discovery often comes from accidents — capturing and following spontaneous musical moments can lead to powerful ideas.Influence is different from imitation — artists grow by absorbing influences while protecting their own identity.Musical training builds creative vocabulary — ear training, harmony, and theory can open doors for singers.Gig experience shapes real musicianship — long, quiet gigs often provide the space to experiment and grow.Recording live captures energy — tracking Vessel with the band in three days preserved the immediacy of the music.Leadership evolves with each project — Lila is stepping further into the creative driver’s seat with her next record.Music from the EpisodeTemptation - Lila FordeAll I Expected - Lila FordeBrick by Brick - Lila FordeAbout the PodcastThe Bandwich Tapes is a podcast hosted by Brad Williams, featuring conversations with musicians, composers, producers, and creative thinkers about their musical journeys. Each episode explores the influences, decisions, and experiences that shape a life in music—one conversation at a time.Connect with the ShowEmail: contact@thebandwichtapes.com