The Dr. Peter Breggin Hour

We were delighted to welcome Seth Holehouse, host of the popular podcast Man in America, to The Breggin Hour. With over a million listeners dedicated to uncovering the forces reshaping our nation, Seth brings a thoughtful, big-picture perspective that resonates deeply with our own work exposing global predators. This wide-ranging conversation touched on the Epstein files, MKUltra, satanic ritual abuse, compromised elites, spiritual warfare, and the practical steps each of us can take to live freely in an upside-down world. As always, we encourage you to listen to the full episode for the complete exchange. The Epstein Files: A Crack in the Veil Seth first encountered the Epstein story years ago amid early discussions of Pizzagate, the Podestas, disturbing artwork, and high-profile figures like Bill Clinton. The more recent document releases struck a chord, especially with younger people encountering the horror on TikTok. “There are a lot of people that… look around and just have this sense that something’s just not right with the world.” These awakening moments—whether from 9/11, COVID, or the Epstein revelations—pierce the illusions. Seth urges us to step back and take the broader view rather than getting lost in distractions or narrow slices of the truth. This aligns with our own experience: the more we step back and examine the complete picture, the clearer the patterns of predation become. MKUltra, Survivor Testimony, and the Pyramid of Control Seth has conducted powerful interviews with survivors of MKUltra and satanic ritual abuse, including a dedicated series exploring these dark networks. These accounts reveal how compromise, blackmail, and ritual abuse serve as tools to control those who rise in elite circles. He draws on important works, including Fritz Springmeier’s Bloodlines of the Illuminati, Jim Marrs ‘ Behold a Pale Horse, and especially Andrzej Łobaczewski’s Political Ponerology. Łobaczewski, a Polish psychiatrist who survived both Nazi and Communist regimes, studied how pathological personalities—particularly psychopaths and character-disordered individuals lacking conscience and empathy—infiltrate and corrupt institutions. This leads to pathocracy, or “rule by evil,” where a small minority of disordered people seize power, distort ideologies, and promote their own kind. The process, called ponerization, gradually transforms normal groups into pathological ones through infiltration, blackmail, and twisted moral justifications (paramoralisms). Visible politicians, celebrities, and CEOs often serve as puppets in a modern Allegory of the Cave, while real power lies higher up within protected bloodlines and networks. Compromise—frequently involving the abuse of children—ensures loyalty. This framework helps explain the spread of evil at the highest levels and why left-right political theater so often distracts from deeper systemic pathology. As Seth’s survivor interviews illustrate, these mechanisms are not abstract—they destroy lives and souls. Facing this kind of evil is not easy. Ginger noted how confronting the Epstein files broke her heart and made it difficult to continue looking for a time. Peter connected it to his lifelong reform work protecting children and the vulnerable from institutional and psychiatric abuse. Spiritual Warfare and the Choice Before Us We see these issues as fundamentally spiritual—a testing ground where individuals and societies must choose virtue, love, and truth over base appetites and predation. Seth, raised in a Christian home with an emphasis on simply being a good person, describes a predator-prey dynamic operating at elite levels. Peter and I shared reflections on our partnership, including the challenges of Peter’s stroke and his remarkable recovery through hyperbaric oxygen therapy and other supports. After decades together fighting for patients and human freedom, we know the sustaining power of love and mutual commitment in the face of darkness. Spotting Contr

Pamela Garfield-Jaeger is a clinical social worker who may be little known to many of us, but with this interview, she earns a place of leadership in the health freedom movement for her work. She opposes the highly abusive transgender ideology, which takes advantage of confused young people, alienating them from traditional values and their families, and subjecting them to life-changing drugs and mutilating surgeries. She has the ultimate medal of honor in our group for having lost her job over refusing to take or to promote the COVID vaccines in 2021. She is an extraordinarily positive warrior who thrives on doing what is right and serves as a role model for all of us. We have a fascinating conversation about how we both have moved toward emphasizing the family in our clinical practices of psychotherapy, as well as promoting spiritual values that strengthen individuals and families in dealing with this too often cruel world. You will find Pamela highly informative and very encouraging in her attitude toward professional work and in her solid attitudes on how to improve the mental health field. She is a very good writer and author of three books: A Practical Response to Gender Distress: Tips and Tools for Families- 2024 Parents’ Guide to Mental Health Froggy Girl. In her children’s book, Froggy Girl, a young girl struggles with frustration because she thinks she’s a frog, and everyone around her supports this self-destructive fallacy until she meets a wise old turtle who helps her appreciate herself as a wonderful little girl. Amazon describes A Practical Response to Gender Distress as follows: Transgender issues have become ubiquitous in schools, entertainment, medicine, etc., and many do not know how to approach this sensitive issue. Because of the dominance of a one-sided approach, parents are ill-equipped to discuss this topic with their children or to advocate effectively for their well-being. In this book, you will learn: The dark side of puberty blockers, hormones, and surgery clinics don’t want you to hear. How the internet has tremendous influence on young people. Why a child could choose to be transgender. How therapists are trained to emotionally blackmail parents. Practical tips: How to talk to a teen who suddenly believes they are transgender. How to help your child say no to the pronoun game. How to find a therapist who will work with your child as a whole person. This book is written with knowledge and compassion by a California-state licensed clinical social worker with over 20 years of experience. Pamela Garfield-Jaeger’s work can be found on a Substack column under the name Pamthetruthfultherapist. Her X account is @truththerapist. Pamela’s Instagram account is @the.truthfultherapist, and her website is www.thetruthfultherapist.org.

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