The Good, The Bad & The Rugby: Australia & New Zealand

The All Blacks lost the second test in Cape Town but were they actually that bad? Andy Rowe is joined by former All Blacks captain and two-time Rugby World Cup winner Kieran Read to break down a game that turned on two minutes at the start and an aerial battle the All Blacks still can't win. Read explains the untidy exit that had New Zealand seven points down inside two minutes, why the Springboks changed their defensive picture (14 in the line, nobody hunting the ruck) and what that means for the way the All Blacks attack. Plus the accuracy numbers: South Africa took 4.8 points from every 22 entry, New Zealand just 2.8 from nine. There's the 2009 parallel (Matfield, box kicks and the series that changed how New Zealand played the game) and why the All Blacks are still catching high balls the old-school way. Pieter-Steph du Toit's 100th test. Then there's Rassie. The suit and tie, the team sheet handed over half an hour before kickoff, the F-bombs in the press conference and the complaint that the All Blacks are planting seeds in the media (from the man who put out an hour-long video on the referees during the Lions series). Read's take: "coaches have been doing this for a long time, but Rassie is the absolute king of it." Plus the scrum row it all came from: "we're not walking around, we're scrumming." And what changes for the third test, including Sam Darry, a six-two bench and where Rieko Ioane fits. Over the Tasman, the Wallabies win 27-21 in Argentina, Les Kiss loosens the structure, and Joseph-Aukuso Suaalii starts on the bench — would you put him on the All Blacks wing to catch our high balls? This episode is brought to you by Gallagher Insurance, your trusted insurance broker. The Gallagher Fearless Player of the Week goes to Leroy Carter. Subscribe for weekly rugby chat from Justin Marshall, Kieran Read, Jeremy Paul and Andy Rowe. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Justin Marshall joins us live from Pretoria, three tour games deep, one week out from Ellis Park and the mood in South Africa is exactly as cocky as you'd fear. Andy, Kieran Read and Marshy get into the arrogance ("if the All Blacks draw the series, that's a result for THEM"), why South African rugby is booming from schoolboy level up, and the recruitment problem that's got them worried about 13-year-olds on retainers. Then the serious business: how the All Blacks are actually tracking after three from three, the injury watch on Will Jordan, Cam Roigard and Damian McKenzie, the loose forward puzzle, whether lineout height should be driving selection, why Argentina handed us the blueprint for beating the Boks and why a Springbok side that's short of minutes might be more vulnerable at altitude than anyone's saying. Plus the Gallagher Fearless Player of the Week ───────────────────────────── 📑CHAPTERS 00:00 Intro — Marshall live from Pretoria 01:28 "Can the All Blacks beat the Springboks?" — the arrogance question 03:09 Cape Town to the Highveld: what the crowds are like 03:45 The Crusader who reckoned altitude was no problem 04:59 Why South African rugby is absolutely fizzing 06:58 What NZ can learn — NPC crowds and grassroots passion 08:41 The lost art of the tour 09:22 Is South Africa now ahead of us on depth? 11:33 13-year-olds on retainers: South Africa's recruitment worry 13:11 Three from three — how are the All Blacks tracking? 13:26 Injury watch: Will Jordan, Cam Roigard, Damian McKenzie 14:40 Managing a 44-man squad, and Rennie's "not satisfied" message 16:56 Finding the width: the attacking blueprint 18:24 Beating the blitz — why unpredictability is everything 20:35 The loose forward puzzle: Segner, Lakai, Tupou Vaa'i at 6 22:06 6-2 bench, and three wingers for two spots 24:13 Should lineout height decide selection? 25:52 Gallagher Fearless Player of the Week: Ruben Love 29:58 Kolisi out — who jackals for the Boks now? 30:40 Segner's answer to the Kirifi debate 33:01 Are the Springboks undercooked? 35:25 The prep gap — and why Read isn't buying it 36:25 Argentina handed us the blueprint 37:48 Altitude, fatigue and the hurt locker 40:28 The mental side of altitude: "your body says you can't go on" 42:39 Slowing the game down, and what a captain can do about it 44:17 Final word: "This All Blacks team can beat the world champions" 46:17 Outro ───────────────────────────── 📩 GOT A QUESTION FOR THE LADS? Email the team at: [email protected] ───────────────────────────── 📲 FOLLOW THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE RUGBY AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND YouTube: ⁨@GoodBadRugby⁩ANZ IG: https://www.instagram.com/goodbadrugbyanz TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@goodbadrugby Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/goodbadrugbyanz Linktree: https://linktr.ee/goodbadrugbyanz ───────────────────────────── #GBR #TheGoodTheBad&TheRugbyANZ #RugbyUnion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The All Blacks squad to tour South Africa is out and the boys have questions. Seven wingers but no out-and-out fullback, only three halfbacks, five injury-prone locks, and Damian McKenzie named at first five but destined for the back field. Justin Marshall and Kieran Read drop into what it's actually like touring the Republic: altitude, boot parties, beer cans at the bus, and why four Tests in a row is like playing four finals. Plus: Ethan Blackadder back from the wilderness, how to build the loose trio around Ardie Savea, the unlucky ones (Du'Plessis Kirifi, Noah Hotham), what happens if Richie Mo'unga gets the call, and how you even prep a squad for games every three days. ───────────────────────────── 📑CHAPTERS 00:00 Intro 00:31 First reactions to the squad 02:31 Seven wingers — so who plays fullback? 04:12 Only three halfbacks: Ratima on the bench all tour? 05:02 George Bell and the fourth hooker call 06:31 The lock stocks: injury concerns 08:04 Bench impact — matching the Bomb Squad 10:20 6-2 split or backline flexibility? 15:18 Ethan Blackadder back from the wilderness 17:44 We need our best ball carriers carrying 20:13 Harvey Norman Next Gen Moment: Timoci Tavatavanawai 22:07 The unlucky ones: Kirifi & Hotham 25:44 What the selectors want from their loose forwards 30:54 Building the game plan around Ardie Savea 34:05 The Josh Jacomb surprise 36:48 What if Richie Mo'unga gets the call? 37:58 Playing in South Africa: altitude & atmosphere 41:46 Touring the Republic: boot parties & hospitality 44:52 Games every three days — how do you prep? 46:48 Where should the Test team play? Tour strategy 49:11 First Test excitement & why the timing is perfect 50:26 Wrap-up ───────────────────────────── 📩 GOT A QUESTION FOR THE LADS? Email the team at: [email protected] ───────────────────────────── 📲 FOLLOW THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE RUGBY AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND YouTube: ⁨@GoodBadRugby⁩ANZ IG: https://www.instagram.com/goodbadrugbyanz TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@goodbadrugby Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/goodbadrugbyanz Linktree: https://linktr.ee/goodbadrugbyanz ───────────────────────────── #GBR #TheGoodTheBad&TheRugbyANZ #RugbyUnion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Justin Marshall, Jeremy Paul & Andy Rowe are joined this week by Springbok captain & centurion Jean de Villiers & Wallaby fly half James O'Connor. We dissect the All Blacks humiliation at the hands of the Springboks and then unpick what went wrong for the Wallabies in Sydney. Plus, James O'Connor gives us an update on his chances of playing in the Bledisloe Cup. Chapters 00:02:00 New Zealand's reaction to the All Blacks humiliation 00:12:50 Harvey Norman Next Gen Moment of the Week 00:34:00 Jean de Villiers joins the show 00:51:00 Unpacking the Wallabies loss to Argentina 01:00:00 James O'Connor joins the show Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week on GBRANZ, Jeremy Paul pork chops himself early and it only gets spicer from there. We break down the Wallabies performance against the Lions, pick our Lions/Wallabies XV and ask the big questions - should Bundee Aki have started at 12? Are the Springboks a step up from the Lions? And where are the Wallabies at right now. Plus we talk a look at the All Blacks squad for the Rugby Championship. This episode is brought to you by HSBC Australia's Everyday Global Account. One account. No fees.* Multiple currencies. *T&Cs apply https://www.hsbc.com.au/accounts/offers/campaigns/travel-account/ CHAPTERS 00:04:00 Jeremy Paul pork chops himself 00:08:00 The Wallabies performance against the Lions 00:12:00 Harvey Norman Next Gen Moment of the Week 00:16:00 Our Combined Lions / Wallabies XV 00:24:20 Should Bundee Aki have started at 12 for the Lions? 00:26:30 HSBC Australia's "Rugby's Best Exchange" 00:30:32 Our assessment of where the Wallabies are at 00:33:50 Are the Springboks a step up from the Lions? 00:45:00 The All Blacks squad for The Rugby Championship Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices