
The Pursuit of Health: a podcast on health policy for a free and modern society.
by Center for Modern Health
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Illuminating the PBM maze, with Jessica Dobrinsky
Jun 18, 2026
24m 54s
CPOM Laws Disarm Doctors Against Private Equity
Jun 11, 2026
29m 46s
Corporate practice of medicine laws disarm independent doctors
Jun 11, 2026
29m 46s
The Right to Healthcare That We do Have, by Jared Rhoads
Jun 4, 2026
8m 23s
Physician-owned hospitals: subsidy-seekers or market disruptors?
May 29, 2026
38m 21s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
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| 6/18/26 | ![]() Illuminating the PBM maze, with Jessica Dobrinsky | Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) are blamed for making prescription drugs more expensive for profit. Yet, PBMs play a necessary role in navigating a complex third-party payer system. In this episode, Jessica Dobrinsky argues that adding more regulations onto PBMs will simply contribute to the complexity and inflexibility that has distorted the drug benefit market to begin with. Instead, we should be looking to increase the freedom to contract to better serve patients.Check out two of Jessica's Dobrinsky's articles on PBMs on her Substack here and here.Please like, share, and subscribe to our show. To support our show, and the Center for Modern Health, you can make a tax deductible donation here. | 24m 54s | ||||||
| 6/11/26 | ![]() CPOM Laws Disarm Doctors Against Private Equity✨ | health policycorporate control+3 | — | Corporate Practice of Medicineprivate equity | — | CPOM lawsphysicians+3 | — | 29m 46s | |
| 6/11/26 | ![]() Corporate practice of medicine laws disarm independent doctors | Corporate Practice of Medicine (CPOM) laws were intended to protect physicians from corporate control. But in practice, CPOM laws disarm physicians against corporations, including private equity backed takeovers. In this episode, we argue that doctors should embrace business, not insulate themselves from it, if they want to regain their professional autonomy.Please like, share, and subscribe to our show. To support our show, and the Center for Modern Health, you can make a tax deductible donation here. | 29m 46s | ||||||
| 6/4/26 | ![]() The Right to Healthcare That We do Have, by Jared Rhoads✨ | healthcare rightsfree markets+3 | Jared Rhoads | Center for Modern Health | — | healthcarefree markets+3 | — | 8m 23s | |
| 5/29/26 | ![]() Physician-owned hospitals: subsidy-seekers or market disruptors?✨ | healthcare policyphysician-owned hospitals+3 | — | Affordable Care ActMedicare+1 | — | physician-owned hospitalsAffordable Care Act+3 | — | 38m 21s | |
| 5/22/26 | ![]() Fixing the FDA: a two-track plan to end regulatory chaos✨ | FDA reformdrug approval+3 | Jared Rhoads | FDABringing a drug to market versus approving a drug for a program: a proposal | — | FDAdrug market+3 | — | 30m 00s | |
| 5/15/26 | ![]() Why Health Insurance Pays for ‘Sickcare’, with Tina Marsh Dalton✨ | health insurancesickcare+4 | Tina Marsh Dalton | Center for Modern Health | — | healthcarewellness paradox+4 | — | 52m 55s | |
| 5/8/26 | ![]() The No Surprises Act fails at arbitrating fair healthcare prices✨ | healthcare pricingNo Surprises Act+3 | — | No Surprises Act | — | healthcaresurprise bills+3 | — | 41m 09s | |
| 4/30/26 | ![]() Fighting Certificate of Need Law with Jessica Dobrinsky✨ | Certificate of Need lawshealthcare competition+3 | Jessica Dobrinsky | Center for Modern HealthCardinal institute+1 | — | Certificate of Needhealth systems+3 | — | 29m 17s | |
| 4/23/26 | ![]() Policy and Pluralism in the Age of Modern Medicine✨ | health policypersonalized care+3 | — | Center for Modern Health | — | health policypluralism+3 | — | 11m 20s | |
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| 4/16/26 | ![]() Stop healthcare fraud by liberating honest providers✨ | healthcare fraudhealth policy+3 | — | Trump administration | — | healthcare fraudreform+3 | — | 41m 10s | |
| 4/9/26 | ![]() Fund the patient, not systems, with Terry Wilcox✨ | healthcare dollarspatient control+3 | Terry Wilcox | Fund the Patient | — | healthcarepatients+3 | — | 44m 12s | |
| 3/25/26 | ![]() Disrupting healthcare beyond challenging vested interests✨ | healthcare disruptionpayment models+3 | — | — | — | healthcaredisruption+3 | — | 33m 54s | |
| 3/20/26 | ![]() Cutting out health insurance to shop for healthcare✨ | healthcare paymenthealth insurance+3 | — | — | — | healthcareinsurance+3 | — | 35m 13s | |
| 3/13/26 | ![]() Our fight to remove barriers for direct-pay medical facilities✨ | direct-pay healthcarehealth policy+3 | Jared Rhoads | Center for Modern Health | New Hampshire | direct-payhealthcare+5 | — | 33m 39s | |
| 3/6/26 | ![]() Our fight to break down barriers for foreign-trained doctors✨ | foreign-trained doctorshealthcare reform+3 | Jared Rhoads | Center for Modern Health | Vermont | foreign-trained doctorshealthcare access+5 | — | 39m 39s | |
| 3/3/26 | ![]() Breaking up Big Medicine won't free up Patients and Providers✨ | healthcare policycompetition+3 | — | Colleen Smith's article | — | healthcarecompetition+5 | — | 43m 41s | |
| 2/20/26 | ![]() Reviving the American Healthcare Debate (and the Case for Freedom) | American healthcare is in crisis. Yet the debate about how to fix American healthcare has not fundamentally changed. In this episode of the pursuit of health, Jared Rhoads, Colleen Smith, and Reinier Schuur expose the hidden assumptions behind how we debate our healthcare, and how a new view of health as a value can move us to a freer pursuit of health on a free market.You can read Jared's article on reshaping the American healthcare debate here. You can support our show, and the Center for Modern health, by donating here. | 53m 13s | ||||||
| 12/12/25 | ![]() The real injustice of unaffordable healthcare | The un-affordability of healthcare is not merely an economic issue, but an issue of justice and what we have a right to in healthcare. In this episode, Colleen Smith and Reinier Schuur argue that the view that we have a right to healthcare without consideration of cost is unjust and leads to its un-affordability. What we do have a right to is the freedom to have a relationship with doctors that does consider cost, which justly rewards doctors and drives down costs. | 21m 48s | ||||||
| 12/10/25 | ![]() Moving beyond Obamacare's false promise | A real alternative to the ACA enhanced subsidies, let alone Obamacare itself, remains elusive. Why? In this episode we expose how Obamacare represents a failure to move beyond the false promise of having insurance pay for most of healthcare while preserving our freedom. To develop a real alternative to Obamacare requires fully embracing freedom as our moral ideal. | 39m 38s | ||||||
| 11/27/25 | ![]() Who will save American healthcare? | Healthcare reform is back in the national spotlight. But what are the prospects that the broken American healthcare system will be reformed in a way that not only preserves the little freedom that remains within it, but actually expands it? In this episode Reinier Schuur, Colleen Smith, and Jared Rhoads expose the shortcoming of both the progressive and conservative approaches to reforming American healthcare and present their pro-freedom alternative. | 44m 57s | ||||||
| 10/31/25 | ![]() The Profit Motive and Loss of Freedom in Medicine | The profit motive is often blamed as the reason for why medical professionals have lost their freedom to practice medicine as they see fit in American healthcare. In this episode of rethinking American healthcare, Drs. Colleen Smith and Reinier Schuur argue that the exact opposite is the case; medical professionals have lost their freedom to practice precisely because they are not free to pursue profits as they see fit. | 28m 21s | ||||||
| 9/18/25 | ![]() Amesh Adalja on Private Versus Public Health | A free market in healthcare is based on the recognition that your health is your own. Yet there is a legitimate role of government in the realm of public health. In this episode, Reinier Schuur discusses with Dr. Amesh Adalja the crucial distinction between private and public health, and what the legitimate and illegitimate roles of government are in the realm of public health. | 41m 08s | ||||||
| 8/29/25 | ![]() The Socialization of American Healthcare | In this episode of Rethinking American Healthcare, Drs. Colleen Smith and Reinier Schuur expose how American healthcare has been socialized from its very inception and discuss how liberating American healthcare requires Americans to rethink and reclaim freedom in medicine. | 24m 15s | ||||||
| 8/14/25 | ![]() Jared Rhoads on training the next generation of free market health policy advocates | Academic programs in health policy have a bias against free-market ideas, leaving students who want a market-oriented perspective with no real alternatives in academia. In this episode, Jared Rhoads shares how he came to launch the Center for Modern Health, which aims to fill that gap and help train the next generation of health policy advocates for free markets. | 45m 48s | ||||||
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