You Won’t Just Cry When They Die with Liz Deacle | 404

You Won’t Just Cry When They Die with Liz Deacle | 404

From This Is Woman's Work with Nicole Kalil by Nicole Kalil + Airwave Media

April 20, 2026 · 39 min

About this episode

Nicole Kalil and Liz Deacle discuss the complexities of grief and loss in this candid episode.

Grief is not neat, linear, inspiring, or cured by a casserole dish and a “take your time” platitude. In this episode of This Is Woman’s Work, Nicole Kalil sits down with author, podcaster, and storyteller Liz Deacle—author of You Won’t Just Cry When They Die—for an honest conversation about grief, loss, healing, identity, and the brutal reality of what happens when someone you love dies. Liz shares what losing both of her parents taught her about the physical and emotional reality of grief—experiences she writes about in You Won’t Just Cry When They Die—including how it can dismantle identity, disrupt the body, and leave a person wondering who they even are now. Together, they unpack why grief does not follow a timeline, why healing is not about getting back to who someone used to be, and why being “strong” often has a whole lot less to do with holding it together and a whole lot more to do with telling the truth. They also explore the complicated overlap between grief and midlife, especially for women navigating perimenopause, parenting, caregiving, work, and all the other crap life keeps throwing on the pile. Liz offers deeply human insight into what it means to be held, heard…

People in this episode

Host: Nicole Kalil

Guest: Liz Deacle

Topics covered

  • grief
  • loss
  • healing
  • identity
  • midlife
  • perimenopause

Keywords

  • grief
  • healing
  • identity
  • loss
  • midlife
  • support

Mentioned in this episode

Products: Gusto, You Won’t Just Cry When They Die

Books & works: You Won’t Just Cry When They Die with Liz Deacle |, This Is Woman’s Work, You Won’t Just Cry When They Die

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