Conversation 2 with Lisa Barrett, Ben Lyons, and Karen Quigley

Conversation 2 with Lisa Barrett, Ben Lyons, and Karen Quigley

From Thoughtforms Life by Michael Levin

March 24, 2026 · 59 min

About this episode

This episode features a second conversation with experts discussing concepts related to Relational Realism and its implications on mind, body, and behavior.

This is a second conversation with Lisa Barrett ( Karen Quigley ( and Benjamin Lyons ( about Relational Realism, allostasis, and questions of mind/body/behavior. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Rethinking emotion universals (09:34) Brain evolution and allostasis (17:25) Predictive processing and signaling (30:05) Objectivity and first-person science (38:45) Flexible body-world boundaries (45:46) Relational meaning in perception (52:06) Embodiment, morphospace and realism PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin Blog: https://thoughtforms.life The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org

People in this episode

Guests: Lisa Barrett, Ben Lyons, Karen Quigley

Topics covered

  • Relational Realism
  • allostasis
  • mind/body/behavior
  • emotion universals
  • brain evolution
  • predictive processing
  • objectivity
  • first-person science
  • body-world boundaries
  • perception
  • embodiment
  • morphospace
  • realism

Keywords

  • emotion
  • science
  • psychology
  • behavioral science

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