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After spending more than a decade at SLED, Ryan Kelly took a position running the Office of Professional Standards at the Charleston County Sheriff’s Office. Internal affairs. The unit that investigates other officers. On June 8, 2026, he was terminated following allegations of harassment, unbecoming conduct, improper procedures, and unsatisfactory performance.Kelly was a Senior Special Agent at SLED during the Murdaugh investigations. He led the probe into the September 2021 roadside shooting — the staged incident where Alex Murdaugh arranged for Curtis Smith to shoot him so his son Buster could collect life insurance. At the 2023 murder trial, Kelly testified as one of the state’s closing witnesses, detailing Murdaugh’s failure to identify Smith and the investigative steps that exposed the scheme. Prosecutors used Kelly’s testimony to argue that Murdaugh’s deception after the roadside shooting mirrored his lies about the night Maggie and Paul were killed.His firing arrives at a precarious moment for the prosecution. The South Carolina Supreme Court overturned Murdaugh’s convictions after finding that court clerk Becky Hill committed jury interference. Hill later pleaded guilty to perjury and obstruction. Lead SLED investigator David Owen admitted to giving inaccurate grand jury testimony about blood evidence. Both Owen and fellow SLED captain Ryan Neill quietly retired after the trial.The retrial’s first hearing is June 29 before Judge Debra McCaslin. Dick Harpootlian has said publicly the investigation has “more holes than Swiss cheese.” When asked about Kelly’s firing, he told reporters his team needs time to investigate what has happened since the trial. The prosecution is heading into a second attempt to convict Alex Murdaugh with fewer credible witnesses than it had the first time.Links:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.Hashtags:#AlexMurdaugh #RyanKelly #TrueCrimeToday #MurdaughRetrial #SLED #TrueCrime #SouthCarolina #MurdaughTrial #DickHarpootlian #MaggieMurdaugh

On February 4th, the Guthrie children posted a video on Instagram begging for their mother’s safe return. That same day, Derrick Callella of Hawthorne, California sent two text messages to Annie Guthrie and Tommaso Cioni: “Did you get the bitcoin were waiting on our end for the transaction.” The FBI arrested him the next day. He used a consumer VOIP app linked to his personal Gmail. The IP address traced to his home. He admitted everything — he had no connection to the case, no information about Nancy. He watched the news and decided to see if a grieving family would pay. FBI Special Agent in Charge Heith Janke called him a total imposter. Callella now faces federal charges with a trial set in Tucson. And the other ransom notes follow the same pattern. No proof of life. Deadlines that pass. Demands for far less than the 1.2 million dollar reward. One sender told TMZ Nancy was dead, then said she was alive in Mexico — same sender, back-to-back messages. Former FBI hostage negotiator Chuck Vecchi explained that real kidnap-for-ransom cases are private and always include proof of life. These notes match opportunism, not kidnapping. Tony Brueski examines the full evidence behind the ransom theory in the final episode of a five-part series.Links:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.Hashtags:#NancyGuthrie #NancyGuthrieUpdate #TrueCrimeToday #FindingNancy #TrueCrime #GuthrieCase #NancyGuthrieRansom #TrueCrimePodcast #SavannahGuthrie #NancyGuthrieAlive

According to the internet — yes. Savannah went back to television. Annie stopped posting. Camron stayed quiet. And the strangers watching from their phones decided that meant the Guthrie family had given up on their 84-year-old mother. That they’d stopped fighting. That the grief was over and nobody even noticed.Except Savannah went on camera and said the opposite. She said she thinks about her mother every single day. She said there isn’t a moment she’s not carrying it. She told Jenna Bush Hager: “Did she forget? No. Never.” And then she explained that she goes to work every morning knowing NBC has a code word to pull her off the air if her mother’s case breaks — and she shows up to that desk anyway because her mother would’ve told her to keep going.Annie Guthrie can’t go on television and defend herself. She doesn’t have a national platform. She had dinner with her mother the night before Nancy vanished — an ordinary, unremarkable evening — and strangers turned that fact into a conspiracy so loud that law enforcement had to increase patrols around her home. Not to investigate her. To protect her from the people following the case.The Pima County Sheriff cleared this entire family. Every sibling. Every spouse. He called the speculation cruel. The accusers never stopped. The clearance became part of their theory. And Savannah — carrying all of it, for all of them — sat across from Hoda Kotb and said the only word she had left for what the internet had done to her family: “Unbearable.” Tony Brueski says what the Guthries can’t. And what the audience doesn’t want to hear.Links:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#NancyGuthrie #SavannahGuthrie #TrueCrimeToday #GuthrieFamily #TrueCrime #NancyGuthrieMissing #GriefShaming #TodayShow #PimaCounty #HiddenKillers

A note arrived at a Tucson television station after Nancy Guthrie vanished from her home. It didn't demand money. It didn't make threats. Investigators believed it was real — and kept its contents quiet for months. Now that what it appears to say is public, it may be the most consequential development in the entire case.It's a legal breakdown with defense attorney Eric Faddis and retired FBI special agent Robin Dreeke.Tony Brueski digs into the legal weight of that note and what it means for a prosecution that still has no one in custody. Can a message sent anonymously, through a server designed to hide the writer, be used as evidence that a crime ended the way the note describes? What does a prosecutor have to do to turn words on a page into proof in a courtroom?This is the state's side of a brutally difficult case: no remains, no arrest, and her family still waiting. Tony walks through how circumstantial evidence builds the body of the crime without a body, why felony-murder law could change what prosecutors must prove, and why experts say a case this visible won't wait for a perfect set of facts before someone is charged.He also lays out the evidence the state already controls — the blood, the pacemaker timestamp, the doorbell footage, the backpack traced to one retailer — and which single piece a smart prosecutor builds the rest of the case around.The note may be the thread that holds it all together. Or it may be the thread a defense attorney pulls first.Listen now.END_LINKS:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.Hashtags: #NancyGuthrie #SavannahGuthrie #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #NoBodyHomicide #FelonyMurder #Tucson #PimaCounty #RansomNote #ColdCase

Taylor Parker Maternal Instinct Netflix — a state trooper found her on a Texas highway, covered in blood, cradling a dying baby that wasn't hers, selling the story that she'd just given birth. At the hospital, blood work confirmed she had never been pregnant. She couldn't have been. She'd had a hysterectomy. Reagan Simmons-Hancock — twenty-one years old, eight months pregnant — was found dead in her home with over a hundred stab wounds.This is the full three-part conversation between Tony Brueski and psychotherapist Shavaun Scott on the Taylor Parker case featured in Netflix's Maternal Instinct. All three segments. All three lanes. Uncut.The first segment examines Taylor's pattern of deception — fabricated illnesses going back years before the fake pregnancy, the fixation on a friend's pregnancy that forced Taylor to relocate and start over, and the question of whether the person people thought they knew ever actually existed.The second segment puts Wade Griffin's responsibility on the table. Multiple people warned him the pregnancy was impossible. He chose Taylor. He cashed fake checks. He went into debt. He said out loud that things were moving too fast. And he kept going. His community has its own verdict. Reagan's widower has his.The third segment examines the system that failed. The doctor who knew and couldn't speak. The father who watched the gender reveal in silence. The mother who assumed the truth would surface on its own. The privacy laws and pandemic restrictions that ensured it wouldn't.Three segments, three lanes, one conversation that covers more ground than the documentary.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#MaternalInstinct #TaylorParker #TrueCrimeToday #ReaganHancock #ShavaunScott #Netflix #WadeGriffin #TrueCrime #DeathRow #FakePregnancy

Taylor Parker Maternal Instinct Netflix — five people knew Taylor Parker's pregnancy was a lie. Her doctor. Her mother. Her father. Her aunt. Her ex-husband. Between them, they had every fact needed to prevent what happened to Reagan Simmons-Hancock. Not one of them was able to stop it.The doctor who performed Taylor's hysterectomy — and who watched her post stolen ultrasound images from his own office — testified he was legally prevented from disclosing her medical history to anyone. The best the clinic could offer was five words: "Just go with your gut."Taylor's father attended her gender reveal knowing the baby wasn't real. Her mother testified "we figured the lie would be exposed." Her aunt was blocked on social media after attempting to intervene. Her ex-husband reached out to Wade's brother and was dismissed.Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott takes on the systemic side of the Taylor Parker case. Privacy laws designed to protect patients protected a woman orchestrating a lie that would end in murder. Pandemic restrictions that were supposed to keep people safe gave Taylor unquestioned cover for nine months. And a family who all independently knew the truth all independently decided it wasn't their responsibility to act.Wade Griffin's friend Stephanie Ott made every call, found proof, and pushed against every wall the system put up. The lab wouldn't help. The clinic couldn't talk. Privacy laws had every door locked.This conversation examines the gap between what people believe they would do in this situation and what the system actually allows them to do. The answer is harder than anybody watching the documentary wants to hear.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#MaternalInstinct #TaylorParker #TrueCrimeToday #ReaganHancock #ShavaunScott #Netflix #GenderReveal #TrueCrime #WadeGriffin #SystemFailure

Taylor Parker Maternal Instinct Netflix — she told Wade Griffin she was heir to an oil fortune worth millions. She told him her mother was blocking the inheritance out of spite. She had him making offers on a four-million-dollar Oklahoma ranch, financing a ninety-two-thousand-dollar truck, and buying a car for his own mother — all with money that did not exist and never had.Then she handed him an eight-million-dollar check and he walked into a bank and tried to cash it. The bank flagged it. Wade's response under oath: "I had never received or dealt with anything that large."Psychotherapist Shavaun Scott takes on the Wade Griffin question in this conversation — the question that has split the Maternal Instinct audience right down the middle. Was Wade a victim of a master manipulator, or was he a man who wanted to believe the fantasy so badly that he let himself be used?Taylor's ex-husband tried to warn Wade's brother. His mother Connie told him directly. His friend Stephanie tracked down proof. Taylor's own aunt called to sound the alarm. Wade chose Taylor every time. People in his town avoid him. Reagan's widower holds him partly responsible. And Wade himself admitted something was off — said the words "this is all happening way too fast" — and kept right on going.This segment of the three-part Shavaun Scott interview puts the responsibility question front and center. The psychology behind why some people feel the warning and override it is more complicated than the documentary lets on.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#MaternalInstinct #TaylorParker #TrueCrimeToday #WadeGriffin #ShavaunScott #Netflix #DeathRow #TrueCrime #ReaganHancock #FakePregnancy

Asa Ellerup was married to Rex Heuermann for twenty-seven years while he killed eight women. She filed for divorce after his arrest. But she kept visiting. She kept calling. And after he personally confessed to her — told her the number, told her seven happened in their basement — she went home and moved into the room where he said he did it.Then she told a documentary crew something about their phone calls that no one was prepared to hear. It was not a confrontation. It was not anger. It was a woman still managing a relationship on the other person’s terms — thirty years in, eight confessions later, from the room where the evidence was found.The imprisoned Rex Heuermann cannot disappear. He calls on a schedule. He needs her. And for a woman who spent her life holding onto someone who was never fully there, that might be exactly what she wanted.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#GilgoBeach #RexHeuermann #AsaEllerup #GilgoBeachKiller #TrueCrime #TrueCrimeToday #TrueCrimePodcast #GilgoBeachMurders #SerialKiller #TrueCrimeCommunity

Three days after Nancy Guthrie disappeared, a podcaster with a large following said on her show that her law enforcement sources identified son-in-law Tommaso Cioni as the prime suspect. That claim detonated across the internet. Within hours, a full conspiracy had been constructed — Cioni had opportunity, motive was assumed, and his bandmate Dominic Evans was identified as the masked figure on the doorbell camera based on a vague physical resemblance. Less than three weeks later, on February 16th, Sheriff Nanos cleared the entire Guthrie family publicly. All siblings. All spouses. He called the accusations not only wrong but cruel. The family had cooperated fully — interviews, devices, DNA. The FBI processed everything. The clearance was definitive. But the damage was already done. Evans, a 48-year-old elementary school teacher, had strangers showing up on his street. He told the New York Times he hid in his bedroom with his wife and kids while it happened. Sources close to the family told reporters that Savannah was heartbroken by the accusations. Tony Brueski traces the full chain — from a podcast claim to an internet conspiracy to real people hiding in their homes — and asks why the accusation videos are still online after the family was definitively cleared.Links:Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodDisclaimer:This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.Hashtags:#NancyGuthrie #NancyGuthrieUpdate #TrueCrimeToday #FindingNancy #TrueCrime #GuthrieCase #NancyGuthrieFamily #TrueCrimePodcast #SavannahGuthrie #NancyGuthrieCleared

Keefe D spent years claiming Sean Combs placed a million-dollar bounty on Tupac Shakur and Suge Knight. He said it in police interviews. He put it in a memoir. It ended up in court filings that reportedly reference Combs seventy-seven times. Combs has denied any connection to the murder. And now Keefe D’s defense team wants Combs to say that denial under oath, in front of the jury that will decide whether Keefe D spends the rest of his life in prison.The reasoning is deliberate. If Combs testifies he never offered a bounty, it does not implicate him. It destroys Keefe D’s credibility. Every interview, every recorded confession, every page of the book prosecutors are treating as a roadmap to the murder — all of it becomes the output of a man who fabricates stories for attention and money. The defense is not building an alibi. It is asking a jury to disbelieve their own client so thoroughly that the prosecution’s case falls apart.Combs is serving a fifty-month federal sentence on unrelated Mann Act convictions. Whether he would appear in a Las Vegas courtroom is an open question. But his name is already woven through both the criminal case and a new wrongful death lawsuit filed by Tupac’s stepbrother Mopreme Shakur, which names Keefe D and one hundred unnamed defendants. The trial is set for August 10. Keefe D has no lawyer. A Nevada Supreme Court petition could end the case before it begins. Tony Brueski lays out the full picture of where things stand in one of the most consequential murder cases in American music history.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#TupacShakur #SeanCombs #TrueCrimeToday #KeefeD #Diddy #TupacMurderTrial #TrueCrime #LasVegas #MannAct #ColdCase

The kennel video was the prosecution’s kill shot the first time. Paul Murdaugh’s phone captured his father’s voice at the Moselle property minutes before two people were shot to death. Alex denied being there. Witnesses proved he was. He took the stand and admitted the lie. The jury didn’t need long after that.Now Dick Harpootlian is saying publicly that his team has a strategy for it. He won’t say what, but the fact that he’s signaling confidence on national television tells you the defense thinks they can neutralize the one exhibit that sank their client. They’re also hiring new forensic cell phone experts to pick apart the prosecution’s timeline and challenging whether anyone actually knows when the killings happened relative to Alex’s movements.Jim Griffin added another layer — unknown male DNA under Maggie’s fingernails that was collected during the investigation and never submitted to the national crime database. That’s evidence from the murder victim herself that nobody followed up on. The defense wants it run through CODIS. If it comes back with a match, everything about this retrial changes. Bob Motta on what the defense is building. Tony Brueski, Robin Dreeke, and Bob Motta.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspodX Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#AlexMurdaugh #DickHarpootlian #MurdaughRetrial #KennelVideo #BobMotta #DefenseDiaries #MaggieMurdaugh #PaulMurdaugh #CODIS #TrueCrime

Three cases the audience has been living inside. The questions they’ve been asking for months. One conversation where Robin Dreeke, retired FBI behavioral analyst, answers every one of them.Nancy Guthrie has been missing for five months. A listener flagged a neighbor with a walk-in gem vault and a Google Maps pin that reportedly overlaps with Nancy’s property. The wrong-house theory hasn’t been publicly addressed by law enforcement. The masked suspect was inside the house for forty-five minutes with the camera disabled and the back doors propped open. Robin examines what that timeline and that preparation tell us about whether the target was Nancy — or someone else entirely.Rex Heuermann pleaded guilty to eight murders. His ex-wife gutted the room where he confessed to killing seven women, redecorated it, and sleeps there. She told cameras it’s spiritual. She’s visited Rex twelve times since his confession. The Ellerup family reportedly collected seven figures from a documentary. Robin addresses the behavioral meaning of that kind of proximity and the legal gap that made the payout possible.Mackenzie Shirilla and her mother built a coded language to beat prison call monitoring. Prosecutors cracked it. Steve lost his teaching job. Natalie called the Russos evil. Mackenzie worried about her stuff. Robin addresses who is actually running this family’s defense and whether Mackenzie can ever reach accountability with these parents in the picture.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#NancyGuthrie #RexHeuermann #MackenzieShirilla #AsaEllerup #NatalieShirilla #RobinDreeke #FBI #TrueCrimeToday #TrueCrime #ListenerQA

They knew the calls were recorded. So Mackenzie Shirilla and her mother Natalie built their own language. A private code designed to say things on a monitored jail phone line that the system wouldn’t catch. Prosecutors cracked it. They introduced what they found at trial. The content of those decoded conversations tells you more about the Shirilla family than anything Steve said on Netflix or anything Natalie said about the Russos.Listeners have been tracking this family since the conviction. They watched Steve defend his daughter’s innocence on camera and lose his teaching position. They heard Natalie call the family of a murdered twenty-year-old “evil.” They listened to Mackenzie worry about her belongings from a jail cell while two families grieved. And they came back with one question: who built this person?Robin Dreeke, retired FBI Special Agent and former chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, joins Tony Brueski to address that question directly. He walks through what coded communication on a monitored line tells you about the parent-child dynamic, what the documented absence of remorse language means, and whether the family’s ongoing public defense is protecting Mackenzie or preventing her from ever facing accountability. Everything discussed is drawn from the public record.Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8-vxmbhTxxG10sO1izODJg?sub_confirmation=1 Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/TrueCrimePodThis publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice.#MackenzieShirilla #NatalieShirilla #SteveShirilla #TheCrash #Netflix #DominicRusso #DavionFlanagan #RobinDreeke #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime