Two Plus Two: The Swinger Podcast for Couples

Do women really want sex as much as men? Or have men and women been taught to think about sex so differently that we never really question the assumptions behind that question?Zack and Josie take a surprisingly deep dive into the gender-specific messages they received growing up and discover how those messages may still be shaping their experiences in the lifestyle today. Girls are taught that boys just want sex and will do anything to get it—and that it's their job to protect themselves and not “give it up.” Boys, meanwhile, are taught that wanting sex is natural and that they have to “get it” from girls.That creates a fundamental imbalance: one gender is taught to pursue sex while the other is taught to control access to it. And those messages don't necessarily disappear when people enter a committed relationship—or even when they enter the lifestyle.Zack and Josie explore how those early lessons, along with the messages reinforced by television, movies and popular culture, can create expectations that men will always want sex and women won't. But what happens when you build a sexual relationship on that assumption?As they challenge their own beliefs, Zack and Josie realize they may experience and think about sex very differently—not simply because they're a man and a woman, but because they were programmed with very different ideas about what sex means, who should want it, who should initiate it and what it says about you when you do.The conversation gets raw, personal and unexpectedly revealing, with plenty of “aha” moments for both hosts. More importantly, they come away with new perspectives that could help them—and other couples—approach the lifestyle with more understanding, excitement, fulfillment and perhaps even more success.If you've ever wondered why you and your partner seem to experience desire differently, this conversation may give you a completely different way to look at it—and help you understand what your partner may be thinking but never quite saying.Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(00:00:00) Messaging about sex is gender specific(00:03:45) Girl on girl play(00:06:49) Sex is penetrative sex to achieve male ejaculation(00:09:27) Only have sex if you’re in love and if not, you’re a slut(00:11:31) Biology won out over fear of judgment and shame(00:17:17) Sex and the lifestyle(00:21:03) Protection vs pursuit mindset(00:26:35) Men want it more than women(00:29:34) Sexual evolution(00:32:46) Porn vs erotica(00:36:14) Women like to be dominated(00:39:57) Gender roles and sex(00:44:40) How you navigate the lifestyle may determine your success(00:50:34) Men and women view sex, even in the lifestyle differently(00:55:53) A helpful change of perspective(01:00:30) Differences between general society and the lifestyleWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:⁠⁠[email protected]⁠Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves!https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ResourcesBook Your Trip to Temptation or Desire⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠

Zack and Josie are back with Drew and Suzie—and this time, the conversation dives into the dynamics of new vs. repeat play.They kick things off with a bold question: what’s the perfect size? Josie and Suzie quickly find themselves in agreement—and their reasoning sets the tone for a fun, unfiltered conversation.From there, the conversation turns to what really drives desire. Zack says all he needs is mutual attraction, but Josie pushes back, arguing that context, energy, and connection play a much bigger role. While Zack and Josie admit they’re often open to new, in-the-moment opportunities, Drew and Suzie lean toward repeat experiences—where trust, comfort, and deeper exploration can take things further.That leads to a conversation about the “script.” Zack jokes that most couples stick to a familiar playbook, while Drew and Suzie are working with a much more expansive “menu.” They share how curiosity, communication, and a willingness to explore have shaped their experiences—and how they even help others expand theirs.And in the end, Zack shares the mindset shift that’s helped him enjoy it all more: letting go of expectations and simply being present for whatever unfolds.So… is it better to chase something new, or deepen something familiar?Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(00:00:00) AWG: The perfect penis(00:04:01) It there’s mutual attraction, I’m good to play(00:06:49) Context and novelty vs familiarity(00:10:54) Exchange of energy plays a big role in interest(00:12:02) Familiarity is more important than novelty(00:16:30) Voyeurism, compersion and Easy Bake Ovens(00:19:10) Going ‘off script’ and keeping things spicy(00:24:04) It’s exciting to help other people explore their sexuality(00:25:54) I don’t know what I don’t know(00:27:42) Vulnerability creates opportunities for new experiences(00:28:58) Sounding…are you into it?(00:32:05) How do you broaden your sex menu(00:35:29) Regretting the things you did do vs the things you didn’t do(00:36:29) Expanding our sex menu(00:39:53) Prescheduled weekend dynamics(00:42:53) Making the best of every situation(00:45:18) Letting go of anticipation to enjoy the moment you’re in(00:47:32) Expanding your sex menu(00:49:56) Finding other couples with extensive sex menus(00:53:10) We’ve had some amazing play experiencesWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2⁠Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:⁠⁠[email protected]⁠Want to be a guest? Start with our guest application and tell us all about yourselves!https://twoplustwopodcast.com/guest/ResourcesSuzie Webster Author Pagehttps://amzn.to/4rXPfOx

Zack and Josie kick off a new chapter of Two Plus Two with a subtle shift in format before welcoming back fan-favorite guest co-hosts Drew and Suzie (formerly known as Luke and Rickie from Episode 41).Together, they dive into their pre–Bliss Cruise adventures in Fort Lauderdale—starting with their first visit to Trapeze and the high-energy hotel meet ‘n greet. From the moment they walk in, they break down what makes Trapeze unique: the electric dance floor, the layout, the vibe, and how the space creates opportunities for both connection and exploration.They discuss expectations vs. hopes, what it’s like to go into a shared experience together but come away with completely different perspectives, and why the best moments are often the ones that aren’t planned.Zack and Josie also share highlights from a couple of memorable connections, offering just enough detail to help listeners decide if Trapeze—or a pre-cruise meet-up—is right for them.They wrap with thoughts on connecting before events, Telegram group dynamics, and why they would absolutely attend the meet ‘n greet again.Please support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(00:00:00) Two Plus Two transition(00:02:53) Welcome Drew and Suzie (FKA Luke and Rickie)(00:05:40) First Trapeze experience was a complete chapter(00:10:49) Organic experiences are the best experiences(00:12:25) Experiences are different even in shared experiences(00:13:58) Sometimes the best experiences are the once that stretch us(00:15:17) Trapeze layout(00:20:17) We went in together…but not everyone played(00:23:28) Expectations vs hopes(00:26:21) We did more of the things we enjoy doing(00:28:01) Enjoy all the layers and meet new people(00:31:48) Zack explored an incredible connection(00:37:56) It got so hot, we triggered the fire alarm(00:40:34) Connecting ahead of the cruise on Telegram chat(00:42:02) We would do the Meet ‘n Greet again(00:45:26) The shorter M-F cruise was great(00:47:00) Telegram chats and rejectionWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2⁠⁠⁠Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:⁠⁠[email protected]⁠ResourcesSuzie Webster Author Pagehttps://amzn.to/4rXPfOx

In this episode, Zack, Josie, Brad, and Brittany dive into what a “successful” play experience really means — and why that definition looks different for each of them. They unpack what matters most in play sessions, the changes they’re intentionally making to increase their enjoyment of the lifestyle, and whether build-up enhances the experience or creates unrealistic expectations — or if there’s a sweet spot somewhere in between.The crew explores the idea that fantasy will almost always outshine reality, and why sex with other people rarely compares to the connection you have with your partner. At the same time, they highlight the unique experiences the lifestyle offers that simply aren’t possible without other people involved.They also introduce the “scale” they use to measure play experiences — with sex with their partner sitting at a 10, most lifestyle encounters landing in the mid-5s to 6s, and truly great sessions reaching a 7 or 8. More importantly, they break down the things within their control that can shift those numbers upward and lead to more fulfilling, enjoyable play.It’s an honest, thoughtful conversation about expectations, communication, and finding satisfaction in the lifestyle beyond chasing a perfect fantasy.Support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(00:00:00) A successful swap is when nobody poops!(00:02:11) Is an orgasm the benchmark for success?(00:03:48) For Brad endurance equals is success(00:07:09) Zack breaks the play experience into separate parts(00:08:39) Should you expect mediocre sex because it’s new?(00:12:07) Letting go on vacation(00:13:00) Asking your play partner what they like before you play(00:16:06) Our experiences are similar but our scales are different(00:21:00) Experiences can be mind blowing even if the sex is not(00:22:14) Identifying things to enjoy aside from your play partner(00:23:44) Brittany’s spider monkey move(00:25:27) Build up is important(00:26:30) Asking questions may be better than assuming(00:28:23) Having an orgasm is not important to some of us(00:30:13) No compensating factors is an issue(00:31:51) Methods and preference for kissing are very personal(00:33:50) Is more communication better?(00:36:04) Somebody typically takes the dominant role in kissing(00:40:21) Fantasy vs reality(00:46:41) Average, above average or below average(00:50:17) It’s impossible to judge what a play session will be like beforehand(00:54:02) What you focus on impacts your enjoyment of the experience(00:57:00) Tongue punching and other kissing techniques We'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2⁠⁠Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:⁠⁠[email protected]⁠

This isn’t a replay of past episodes—it’s a deeper look at the conversations that didn’t end when the recording stopped. After hearing how certain topics landed with listeners, the crew reflects on what stirred discomfort, curiosity, and strong reactions—and why those responses matter.Zack, Josie, Brad, and Brittany unpack listener feedback ranging from opinions about Brad’s penis and uncut men (including one listener’s candid personal experience), to the polarized reactions following their conversation with Roger and Jessica—a committed couple exclusive with another couple who don’t identify as poly. When some female listeners admitted they couldn’t even finish that episode, the group explores what may have made it so uncomfortable and encourages a second listen with fresh perspective.The episode also includes a sincere apology to Tharen and Aussie listeners everywhere for mistakenly calling Hugh Jackman British (he’s Australian—lesson learned).Finally, Josie shares the full story of the conversations she had with her two oldest daughters about the lifestyle, the podcast, and Peaches’nCream. Their very different reactions reinforce a key truth first discussed in Episode 59: when it comes to hard conversations, approach matters—sometimes more than the topic itself.JOIN US at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(00:00:00) Looping back on episode 41 with Luke and Rickie(00:04:12) Maybe it’s more bi-situational(00:06:04) We had to analyze why we had an aversion to the idea(00:07:28) Is MM sex a turn on?(00:10:51) Three questions for Luke (and Rickie)(00:13:26) Reactions to Brad’s uncut penis(00:16:00) Here’s little Brad!(00:20:17) We apologize to all our Aussie listeners(00:23:26) And we’re back to glory holes(00:24:20) My OB/GYN has a podcast called The PGSpot(00:27:11) What is considered ‘lifestyle’?(00:28:38) Our feelings can be a product of insecurity(00:32:28) Using the ‘L’ word is controversial(00:35:00) If your partner announced they loved a play partner(00:37:14) Playing with fire(00:40:16) Overthinking things is what this podcast is all about(00:40:43) Josie told her 29 year old daughter about the lifestyle(00:46:12) Setting the stage for the next conversation(00:47:22) Josie’s 34 year old daughter’s response was somewhat surprising(00:51:07) She said I was more self aware than before(00:53:03) Your approach matters(00:56:13) Zack wasn’t there for either conversation but felt good about them(00:57:18) Our conversations about the lifestyle has deepened our connection(00:58:42) Exposing ourselves our kids through the podcastWe'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2⁠Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:⁠⁠[email protected]

A listener’s message sparks one of the most emotionally loaded conversations we’ve ever had as lifestyle parents. After receiving a text from her adult daughter that read, “I know about you and dad’s extracurricular activities,” we’re forced to confront a question many couples quietly avoid: What happens when your kids know… or might know… about your life?We unpack the initial wave of fear, embarrassment, and panic, but quickly move beyond the shock to something deeper—what it actually means to live openly and honestly when you’re confident in your choices. While none of our children know yet, Zack and Josie share why they’re preparing to tell their oldest daughters, answering the question Brad and Brittany posed: Why tell them at all?This episode isn’t about justifying the lifestyle or asking for permission. It’s about being grounded in your “why,” trusting yourself, and showing up without defensiveness. We talk about how being “out” can bring relief, clarity, and stronger boundaries, and why authenticity often matters more than perfect timing or flawless delivery.We also explore the realities parents wrestle with—how different kids may react very differently, how siblings can complicate things, and why the real conversation often isn’t about sex at all. It’s about values, honesty, and modeling what it looks like to live a full, intentional life.If you’ve ever wondered whether openness could bring peace—or if staying silent is really protecting anyone—this episode sits right in that uncomfortable, powerful space between fear and freedom.JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(00:00:00) MrsCaliente Cookies’ question(00:02:36) Your parents’ sex life(00:04:28) Initial reactions to the message(00:06:35) How did she find out and is it relevant?(00:09:14) A cautionary tale about text messages(00:12:50) Some children can handle it and others may not be able to(00:14:23) Your own opinion of the lifestyle can drive the conversation(00:16:27) Siblings may share the news with one another(00:18:01) Walking in on your parents(00:21:18) I’ve got a secret!(00:22:34) We’re planning to tell our kids soon(00:26:11) Disclaimer: it’s not just about having sex with other people(00:28:31) One couples’ son decided to get in the LS after ‘the conversation’(00:29:44) Focus on being authentic(00:30:25) Is this possible given recent struggles?(00:36:07) Relief can come from being ‘out’(00:37:41) Why the qualifiers?(00:42:15) Request to not play in her daughter’s town(00:46:16) Get to the bottom of the real concerns and address those(00:48:59) Readdressing the conversation after your initial reaction(00:52:44) You don’t need to convince anybody(00:54:00) Living your life for yourself and not your kids We'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2⁠Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:⁠⁠[email protected]⁠

In this candid — and hilariously honest — conversation, all four hosts tackle a topic that rarely gets talked about openly: uncircumcised penises. Brad opens up about growing up uncut in a world where it wasn’t common, including the insecurity, teasing, and the unforgettable childhood nickname “Snuffleupagus.” We explore real-world differences between circumcised and uncircumcised penises — sensitivity, oral sex, comfort in underwear, hygiene myths, and the realities of sex and play.Brad shares the story of the moment he thought he “broke” his penis as a teenager (spoiler: he didn’t — but his foreskin was never the same). Josie and Brittany reflect on what it was like the first time they experienced Brad’s body, and we unpack the stigma some couples still have about playing with uncut men — where it comes from, and how it affects confidence and connection.With lots of laughs, vulnerability, and plenty of good-natured teasing, we also talk about whether — and how — someone might disclose being uncut to new play partners… including a few fun and sexy ways to say it. This episode is equal parts educational, compassionate, and delightfully irreverent — and definitely one you won’t forget.JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(00:00:00) I was different(00:04:16) Kids are cruel(00:05:44) What women should know(00:07:46) The tip is really sensitive when the skin is pulled back(00:08:48) I thought I broke my penis(00:10:49) Blowing one for the first time(00:13:53) The foreskin and using lube(00:15:13) New partners(00:19:15) Hygiene(00:20:46) Most women are receptive(00:21:59) I view it as a positive(00:23:35) Why some have ‘no uncut’ in their profiles(00:25:22) Ignorance(00:26:17) Things can get funky(00:27:50) Zack Stats(00:29:28) To circumcise or not to circumcise(00:34:17) Brad is in good company(00:35:48) Pulling it back(00:38:45) Suck it!(00:40:24) Sharing information ahead of playing(00:42:41) Not many women are forward(00:44:59) They come in all different shapes and sizes We'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2⁠Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:⁠⁠[email protected]

As we get older, our bodies, our priorities, and even the way we experience the lifestyle begin to shift. In this episode, all four hosts are back at the table to talk honestly about aging, self-image, and how time changes our perspective on play, connection, and identity.Brad and Josie — both in their 50s — share what it feels like to realize they’re past the halfway point in life, while Brittany reflects on approaching that milestone, and Zack talks about only recently turning 40. Together, we ask: Is 50 really a turning point? When do you start to feel your mortality… or your freedom? And is the lifestyle a young person’s game, or does age bring its own kind of power?We explore body confidence, the “I don’t give a f***” stage of life, the pressure some of us feel to “live bigger now” while we still can, and whether urgency, opportunity, and time shape our choices. We also talk about the strengths that come with age — experience, perspective, emotional maturity, and success — and how those benefits can sometimes feel at odds with the expectations of the lifestyle.Of course, we keep it real with plenty of humor too… including joking about when we finally get to “give up,” skip the gym, eat whatever we want, and go off the rails. 😉We wrap with a reminder that pleasure, connection, and adventure don’t expire — and that the lifestyle can be meaningful, fun, and fulfilling at any age.JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠(00:00:00) Insecurities about age(00:05:09) Perception of age is changing(00:09:25) The lifestyle is a young person’s game(00:10:35) You’re never too old to have sex(00:11:38) Times have changed and society is shifting(00:15:33) Age bursts(00:20:39) At what age will we no longer be attractive to younger people(00:23:16) Not disclosing your age(00:25:40) Carpe diem(00:29:16) Aging can feel limiting(00:31:58) Aging is also a blessing(00:33:45) It’s a 50’s thing(00:35:10) I don’t want the clock to run out(00:37:17) I thought the lifestyle is a short term project(00:39:54) Times have changed and so has the lifestyle(00:43:48) Stages and cycles of the lifestyle(00:45:24) Age plays into sexual liberation(00:48:38) Our perspectives changed in less than an hour(00:51:13) My journey isn’t about age although aging is part of the journey(00:52:34) The age when you stop giving a fuck(00:55:24) Not giving a fuck We'd love to connect with you!Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://web.peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠INVITE CODE: 2PLUS2⁠Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with Zack and Josie.Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at:⁠⁠[email protected]⁠RESOURCESThe Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck by Mark Manson