About this episode

Suze Dowling discusses the critical DTC math that founders often overlook and shares insights from her experience managing multiple brands.

Suze Dowling has seen the inside of more DTC brands than almost anyone. As co-founder of Pattern Brands, a multi-brand home goods portfolio she's been building since 2018, she doesn't just run one brand. She runs five at once on a shared services team, which means she watches the same mistakes play out across categories, price points, and growth stages, over and over again. The biggest one: founders who scale before the math works. In this episode of Unfinished Business, Alex and Lee sit down with Suze for one of the most honest DTC conversations they've had. She talks about what she actually looks for when acquiring a brand, why she's shut down companies that were still profitable, and why the DTC equation most founders ignore is the thing that determines whether your brand survives. In this episode: - The DTC math equation Suze uses to diagnose any brand: revenue = AOV x conversion x sessions, and why most founders try to scale before all three are working - Why profitability was Pattern's non-negotiable when the rest of the industry was chasing growth at all costs - How she decided to shut down profitable brands, and why she calls it opportunity cost, not failure - The thing…

People in this episode

Hosts: Alex, Lee

Guest: Suze Dowling

Topics covered

• DTC brands
• entrepreneurship
• profitability
• scaling
• business strategy

Keywords

• DTC math
• founders
• profitability
• Pattern Brands
• business mistakes
• scaling
• product-market fit

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Pattern Brands

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