
AI and the Future of Law
AI and the Future of Law is your essential podcast for understanding how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the legal industry. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, each episode delves into cutting-edge t...
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Also: Kirsten Talmage, John Nay, Nick Fleisher, Jen Leonard, Sharon Crane, Nikki Shaver, Daniel Schwarcz, Jae Um
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| 10/20/26 | AI Agents Are Reshaping Legal Work: What Lawyers Need to Know | AI agents are moving beyond answering questions to taking action. But what happens when AI can make decisions, complete tasks, and interact with other systems on its own? And what does that mean for lawyers?In this episode of AI and the Future of Law, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore the rise of agentic AI and its implications for legal practice. They share their experiences using Instinct, a personal AI assistant, discuss JEV and the possibility of AI verifying other AI systems, and examine how autonomous technology is changing the way lawyers work.From supervising AI agents like junior associates to managing AI training fatigue, Jen and Bridget consider the opportunities, challenges, and professional responsibilities emerging as AI becomes more autonomous.Key Discussion PointsHow AI agents differ from traditional chatbotsPersonal AI assistants and AI verification toolsSupervising AI agents and managing their actionsAI adoption, training fatigue, and law firm leadershipProfessional competence, ethics, and accountabilityAI and the Future of Law is hosted by Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack. A Creative Lawyers Podcast, sponsored by Clio.https://www.aiandthefutureoflaw.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 34m 26s | ||||||
| 10/6/26 | AI Agents Broke Out. What the Hugging Face Incident Means for Lawyers | Season 4 of AI and the Future of Law begins with one of the most unsettling AI stories of the year: the Hugging Face incident, involving reports that OpenAI agents escaped a training sandbox, coordinated with one another, and accessed external systems.In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack unpack what happened, why it captured so much attention, and what it reveals about the next phase of AI safety, cybersecurity, and governance. They discuss how autonomous agents can create new risks for courts, law firms, legal departments, and the clients lawyers advise.The conversation also explores why AI governance cannot be treated like a one-time software approval. As frontier models become more capable, legal institutions will need ongoing oversight, stronger vendor diligence, better documentation, and practical systems for managing risk.Key topics include:The Hugging Face incident and why it mattersAutonomous AI agents and cyber riskAI governance beyond one-time approvalWhat courts and law firms should be watchingVendor diligence, documentation, and accountabilityWhy lawyers have a role in shaping AI oversightThroughout the episode, Jen and Bridget move beyond the headlines to focus on what lawyers should be thinking about now: accountability, cyber risk, regulation, courts, governance, and the legal work ahead. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 46m 30s | ||||||
| 9/22/26 | Season 3 in Review: What AI Is Changing About the Future of Law | Season 3 of AI and the Future of Law explored a legal profession moving quickly from AI experimentation to real transformation.In this special recap episode, we revisit some of the season’s most memorable conversations about legal AI, agentic systems, law firm strategy, AI-native business models, professional competency, and the role human judgment will continue to play as the technology advances. Thank you to everyone who listened, followed, shared, and joined us throughout Season 3.AI and the Future of Law will return in October with Season 4 and more conversations about how artificial intelligence is reshaping the legal profession and the world around it.Subscribe on YouTube, follow the show on your favorite podcast platform, and leave a review if the conversations have been helpful to you. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 9m 27s | ||||||
| 9/1/26 | AI in lawjudicial workflows+3 | Justice Jerod Tufte | North Dakota Supreme Court | — | AIjudges+5 | — | 32m 02s | ||
| 8/18/26 | AI in lawjunior lawyer development+5 | Bridget McCormack | Kirkland & EllisBig Law+1 | — | Kirkland & EllisAI investment+5 | — | 28m 02s | ||
| 8/4/26 | AI competencylegal profession+4 | Farrah PepperKirsten Talmage | HarveyPractising Law Institute+1 | — | AI-ready lawyercompetency framework+5 | — | 35m 27s | ||
| 7/21/26 | AI-native law firmsagentic law+5 | John Nay | Norm AINorm Law+1 | — | AI-native law firmagentic law+6 | — | 27m 28s | ||
| 7/7/26 | AI in legal teamslegal operations+4 | Nick Fleisher | Sandstone | — | AIin-house legal teams+6 | — | 29m 54s | ||
| 6/23/26 | law firm transformationgenerative AI+5 | Jen LeonardSharon Crane | Practising Law InstituteUnprecedented: Designing a Human-Centered Law Firm When Everything Is Changing | — | law firmsAI+5 | — | 36m 18s | ||
| 6/9/26 | legal tech marketAI strategy+4 | Nikki Shaver | Legaltech Hub | — | legal techlegal technology+6 | — | 36m 44s | ||
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| 5/26/26 | AI in lawcontract law+4 | Bridget McCormack | Legal Context ProtocolPractising Law Institute | — | AI agentscontracts+5 | — | 38m 17s | ||
| 5/12/26 | AI in legal educationhuman legal reasoning+4 | Daniel Schwarcz | University of Minnesota Law SchoolFredrikson & Byron | — | artificial intelligencelegal reasoning+5 | — | 33m 28s | ||
| 4/28/26 | Am Law 100 power rankingsBig Law transformation+3 | Jae Um | Am Law 100Big Law | — | Am Law 100Big Law+5 | — | 53m 03s | ||
| 4/21/26 | Jason Barnwell on AI Agents, Contract Lifecycle Management, and the Future of Legal Work | Artificial intelligence is moving beyond tools and into systems—reshaping how legal work is performed and delivered.In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack speak with Jason Barnwell, Chief Legal Officer at Agiloft, about the rise of AI agents, contract lifecycle management, and what these shifts mean for legal practice.They explore how some professionals are able to extract exponentially more value from AI than others, the growing importance of structuring legal knowledge into reusable protocols, and how contract data is becoming a strategic asset inside organizations. The conversation also examines shifting incentives, emerging career paths, and how legal education and training may need to evolve in response.Topics discussed include:AI agents and the shift from tools to systemsWhy some professionals get exponentially more value from AIContract lifecycle management and the rise of contract data as infrastructureThe changing role of lawyers from executors to system architectsLegal education, training models, and new career pathways Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 36m 27s | ||||||
| 4/7/26 | Did AI Just Practice Law? The OpenAI Lawsuit + Legalweek 2026 | Artificial intelligence is beginning to test the boundaries of legal practice itself.In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack examine Nippon Life v. OpenAI, a lawsuit alleging that a chatbot engaged in the unauthorized practice of law by generating legal advice, drafting filings, and influencing litigation strategy. The case raises foundational questions about liability, regulation, and whether existing legal frameworks can meaningfully apply to AI systems.They also explore practical AI use cases and key takeaways from Legalweek 2026, including rising pressure to demonstrate ROI, rapid enterprise adoption, and the shift toward more advanced systems.Topics discussed include:The facts and legal theories in Nippon Life v. OpenAIUnauthorized practice of law vs. product liability frameworksThe limits of regulating AI through court decisionsLegalweek 2026: ROI pressure and adoption trendsPractical AI workflows using Claude Co-Work Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 34m 24s | ||||||
| 3/24/26 | How AI Is Changing Contract Law with Dave Hoffman | Artificial intelligence is beginning to reshape one of the most foundational areas of legal practice: contract law.In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Professor Dave Hoffman (University of Pennsylvania Law School) to explore how tools like Claude are influencing contract interpretation, legal research, and legal education. They discuss how AI can help judges interpret ambiguous language, what it means for the value of transactional lawyers, and why defining an “AI-ready” lawyer is harder than it sounds.Topics DiscussedUsing Claude to analyze law journals’ AI policies at scaleHow AI can support judges in interpreting contract languageThe changing value of transactional lawyers in an AI-driven worldHow legal education is adapting to rapid technological changeRethinking legal judgment, training, and professional value Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 45m 00s | ||||||
| 3/10/26 | AI Recording Tools and Attorney-Client Privilege in the Age of AI | AI recording tools can make lawyers more efficient—but what are the risks to confidentiality?In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack examine how AI recording tools intersect with attorney–client privilege, professional responsibility rules, and the evolving skill demands of an AI-driven workforce.Topics discussed include:How AI recording platforms may introduce third-party privilege risksState consent laws and the ethical limits of secret recordingNew York Bar Formal Opinion 2025-6 and deceptive practicesWhether recording changes how clients communicate with their lawyersThe risk of AI-generated summaries misinterpreting legal nuanceA risk-based framework for deciding when (and when not) to recordNew Wharton–Accenture research on how AI is reshaping job skills and compensationAI tools can improve legal work—but only when lawyers understand the boundaries that protect trust, competence, and confidentiality. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 32m 32s | ||||||
| 2/24/26 | AI Agents and the Widening Divide in Legal with Zach Abramowitz | As the legal profession enters 2026, the conversation about AI is shifting. It is no longer about awareness or early adoption. It is about measurable impact.In this episode of AI and the Future of Law, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Zach Abramowitz for a legal market check-in on AI agents, ROI, competitive pressure, and the widening divide between AI superusers and skeptics.They discuss:The shift from AI assistants to AI agentsWhy 2026 is about measuring ROI, not experimentationThe rise of AI-first firms and competitive pressure on traditional modelsVenture capital, private equity, and renewed conversations about external ownershipThe growing mindset divide within the professionAI is no longer a side experiment in legal. It is becoming embedded in strategy, pricing, and firm structure. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 34m 13s | ||||||
| 2/10/26 | Claude Code, Vibe Coding, and Creative Lawyers at Work | What happens when lawyers stop waiting for permission and start building with AI? Jen and Bridget explore the rise of creative associates and what tools like Claude Code reveal about the future of legal work. From agentic AI systems that refactor how coding gets done to junior lawyers who “vibe-code” solutions to everyday firm problems, this conversation looks at how innovation is increasingly bottom-up in law firms.Topics covered include:Claude Code and agentic AI for knowledge workWhy creative associates are driving real changeVibe coding and lowering the barrier to innovationCultural shifts law firms need to support experimentationWhat this means for junior lawyers and legal training Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 34m 11s | ||||||
| 1/27/26 | Should Lawyers Trust AI? Inside Harvey and the Future of Legal Work | Can lawyers really trust AI—and what does “trust” mean in modern legal practice?In this episode of AI and the Future of Law, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Gabe Pereyra, President and Co-Founder of Harvey AI, to explore how generative AI is moving from a productivity tool to core infrastructure for law firms.Gabe explains how leading firms are deploying AI at scale, why hallucinations are no longer the central concern, and how governance, auditability, and human-in-the-loop systems shape real trust in legal AI. The conversation also dives into the future of the billable hour, lawyer training, and why AI is best understood as leverage—not labor replacement.In this episode:When lawyers will trust AI systemsHuman-in-the-loop governance and supervisionAI as law firm infrastructure, not just softwareWhy the billable hour isn’t disappearingTraining lawyers faster in an AI-first era Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 44m 38s | ||||||
| 1/13/26 | Private Equity and the Future of Law Firms: Investing in AI | Private equity interest in U.S. law firms is accelerating, and AI is a major reason why. In this Season 3 kickoff, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore how ethics rules collide with the capital demands of AI, and why the real story isn’t short-term profits but long-term investment in legal infrastructure. They unpack Rule 5.4, the rise of the MSO model as a workaround for outside investment, and what “ownership” really means when control over data, technology, and professional judgment is at stake.The conversation also examines emerging judicial approaches to AI disclosure and what they signal for competence, evidence, and governance as AI becomes foundational to legal practice. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 31m 19s | ||||||
| 12/23/25 | Predictions for 2026 in AI and the Law | What will AI actually change in law by 2026—and how should firms, courts, and legal institutions prepare? In this season two finale of AI and the Future of Law, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack step back from the hype cycle to offer grounded, practical predictions about the next few years.They explore Google’s Gemini 3 and the shift from chatbots to agentic systems, the “platformization” of legal services driven by MSOs, ALSPs, and private equity, and the new talent demands this creates inside law firms. Along the way, they introduce ideas like AI legal twins, AI co-mediators, and opt-in court pilots for low-stakes disputes—and ask what leaders across the justice system should be planning for now.Topics Covered:How Gemini 3 and agentic AI systems move beyond simple chatbotsWhy private equity, MSOs, and ALSPs may “platformize” legal servicesThe new talent equation: from 1Ls to AI leaders in the C-suiteProvocative ideas like AI legal twins and AI co-mediatorsHow courts might experiment with opt-in AI pilots for low-stakes cases Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 36m 20s | ||||||
| 12/9/25 | Building AI Tools for All: Closing the Justice Gap with Sateesh Nori & Tom Martin | How can AI expand access to justice for the millions who can’t afford a lawyer? In this episode, hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack speak with Sateesh Nori and Tom Martin about AI tools reshaping legal help, including Depositron for security deposit disputes and Law Answers AI for jurisdiction-specific guidance.They discuss Sateesh’s journey from housing court to AI innovation, Tom’s work building scalable solutions for the public, and the profession’s ongoing debate over “second-tier justice.” What emerges is a compelling vision for AI as a bridge—not a barrier—to legal help.Topics: • How AI is transforming access to justice • Why the legal system leaves most people without help • The creation of Depositron and LawAnswers AI • “Second-tier justice” vs. real-world legal outcomes • Moonshot visions for AI-enabled legal service delivery Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 36m 03s | ||||||
| 11/25/25 | Making Talk Cheap: Are AI Tools Devaluing Legal Writing? | Is AI making legal writing too easy—and too cheap? In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack explore how generative AI tools are reshaping writing as a professional skill. They discuss the paper “Making Talk Cheap,” which argues that when anyone can generate polished text, writing loses its value as a signal of skill, effort, or merit. What does this mean for hiring, advancement, and lawyering in the AI era? Plus, they unpack a new Wharton study showing how enterprise AI use is soaring—with real ROI—while sharing personal stories of AI’s practical impact.Topics Covered:Wharton’s 2025 report on enterprise AI adoption and ROI (vs. the “failed pilots” narrative)How generative AI is leveling the playing field in writing qualityThe Making Talk Cheap study on devalued written work and hiring signalsImplications for legal hiring, promotion, and skill development in the AI era Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 38m 35s | ||||||
| 11/11/25 | AI in LA Courts: David Slayton on Access to Justice | Can AI make the nation’s largest trial court more accessible, trusted, and just? In this episode, LA Superior Court CEO, David Slayton joins hosts Jen Leonard and Bridget Mary McCormack to unpack how generative AI is already reshaping court services—and why “effective” beats “efficient.” We explore Court Help on LACourt.gov, change-management tactics that stick, and the delicate balance between moving too slowly (and getting overwhelmed) and too fast (and losing public trust). Practical, candid, and grounded in real operations, this conversation offers a roadmap for legal leaders navigating AI.Topics covered:Court Help and responsible gen-AI designServing self-represented litigants at scaleChange management in high-trust institutionsRisks of moving too slow—or too fast—on AIPredictive analytics, triage, and future workflows Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. | 39m 11s | ||||||
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