
#302: Coaching Session: Overcoming My Delegation Problems with Michael Bungay Stanier
From Creator Science with Jay Clouse by Jay Clouse
April 21, 2026 · 1h 7m · Season 1 · Episode 302
About this episode
Jay Clouse engages in a live coaching session with Michael Bungay Stanier to address his delegation issues using the Immunity to Change framework.
This episode is a little different. Michael Bungay Stanier, author of The Coaching Habit, with over a million copies sold, reached out and offered to do something I didn't expect: a live coaching session, recorded, here on the podcast. The topic: my delegation issue. Not the tactics (I know the tactics). Something deeper has its foot on the brake. What unfolded was one of the most honest, vulnerable conversations I've had on this show. Michael walked me through the Immunity to Change framework, where we uncovered that I'm getting more out of the status quo than I realize. There are commitments I have to the way things are right now that I haven't even named. We named them. And then we ran small experiments to test whether the things I'm most afraid of would actually come true. The Coaching Habit (10th Anniversary Edition) MBS Works (Michael Bungay Stanier) Box of Crayons Immunity to Change (Kegan & Lahey) Full transcript and show notes *** TIMESTAMPS (00:00) The inner monologue: lack of courage (00:22) Introducing Michael Bungay Stanier — and why this episode is different (01:46) Michael's outreach: 'Your delegation issue is probably hard change, not easy change' (03:24) The…
People in this episode
Guest: Michael Bungay Stanier
Topics covered
- coaching
- delegation
- Immunity to Change
- personal development
Keywords
- The Coaching Habit
- Box of Crayons
- hard change
- easy change
Mentioned in this episode
Products: The Coaching Habit (10th Anniversary Edition), MBS Works, Box of Crayons, Immunity to Change (Kegan & Lahey)
Books & works: The Coaching Habit
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