
Think Like An Economist
by Betsey Stevenson & Justin Wolfers
Is this your podcast?Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers are prominent economists known for their expertise in labor economics and public policy. Both hold academic positions at prestigious institutions and are recognized for their ability to communicate comple…
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Sifting Through the Wreckage of An Ill-Informed War| Slate's What Next + Platypus Economics
Jun 23, 2026
25m 53s
Better Lawyers, Worse Economics: Inside Trump's Latest Tariff Strategy | Diving In
Jun 17, 2026
14m 26s
The Job Numbers Will Probably Get Revised—That’s Not A Scandal | The Professor Is In
Jun 15, 2026
17m 30s
Inflation Is Up—Temporary Bedfellow or Long-term Partner? | Off the Clock
Jun 15, 2026
51m 01s
Are Markets Getting Suckered By Trump's Truth Socials? | Diving In
Jun 11, 2026
8m 24s
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| 6/23/26 | ![]() Sifting Through the Wreckage of An Ill-Informed War| Slate's What Next + Platypus Economics | In this episode of Slate's What Next, we examine the economic costs of the conflict with Iran and why the true price of war extends far beyond the immediate impact on oil prices. From higher energy costs to the effects of rising geopolitical risk on economic growth, we explore how economists measure the consequences of uncertainty — and why those costs are felt most by the world’s most vulnerable households. The conversation also looks at the broader economic implications of weakened institutions and why competition, not just business success, is the foundation of long-term prosperity.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 25m 53s | ||||||
| 6/17/26 | ![]() Better Lawyers, Worse Economics: Inside Trump's Latest Tariff Strategy | Diving In | Trump's trade war just won't die. After the Supreme Court struck down his "Liberation Day" tariffs and courts blocked his emergency global surcharge, the White House is back with a third attempt — this time wrapped in language forced labor, unfair trade practices, and a legal paper trail designed to survive court challenges. It's a new legal strategy, but the same chaotic trade war that's been whipsawing businesses, allies, and consumers for months. The problem isn't just legal — it's economic. These tariffs are too unstable to drive real investment, too broad to give America any real leverage, and too tied to presidential whims to ever deliver on promises of re-industrialization and job creation. What they do deliver is higher prices for consumers, uncertainty for businesses, and new opportunities for political favoritism. Same trade war, better lawyers, even worse economics. Subscribe on YouTube https://youtube.com/platypuseconomics Subscribe on Substack 👉 https://newsletter.platypuseconomics.com Follow on Social Media @PlatypusEconomics and @JustinWolfersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 14m 26s | ||||||
| 6/15/26 | ![]() The Job Numbers Will Probably Get Revised—That’s Not A Scandal | The Professor Is In | Justin Wolfers breaks down the biggest myths surrounding the monthly jobs report, starting with why strong hiring doesn't always move the unemployment rate. He also addresses the recurring claim that new jobs are low quality or mostly second jobs, explaining that the jobs report simply doesn't contain enough detail to support those conclusions in real time. The conversation then goes deep on revisions, seasonal adjustments, and benchmark updates — and why none of these are signs of manipulation, but rather evidence that measurement improves as better data arrives. Private sector estimates like ADP get attention too, but Wolfers explains why their margin of error makes month-to-month comparisons nearly meaningless. Inflation and recession close out the discussion, and Wolfers is direct: the two are related concerns but not interchangeable ones. Inflation can make households feel economically miserable without the economy actually being in recession. Public confusion between these concepts distorts everything from consumer confidence to political debate. Subscribe on YouTube https://youtube.com/platypuseconomics Subscribe on Substack 👉 https://newsletter.platypuseconomics.comFollow on Social Media @PlatypusEconomics and @JustinWolfersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 17m 30s | ||||||
| 6/15/26 | ![]() Inflation Is Up—Temporary Bedfellow or Long-term Partner? | Off the Clock | The work week may be over, but the economy really never takes time off. In this week’s episode of Off the Clock, Justin Wolfers and Stacey Vanek Smith help you cut through the noise and figure out what you should actually care about from this week’s economic news. They skip the SpaceX hype and dig into the stuff that shapes your real life—inflation eating into your paycheck and the slow-motion crisis threatening Social Security. Justin argues this is the biggest story no one is talking about. They also discuss the World Cup ticket debacle—and whether prices are always the most efficient way to distribute our scarce resources. Subscribe on YouTube https://youtube.com/platypuseconomics Subscribe on Substack 👉 https://newsletter.platypuseconomics.com Follow on Social Media @PlatypusEconomics and @JustinWolfers Follow Stacey @svankesmithSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 51m 01s | ||||||
| 6/11/26 | ![]() Are Markets Getting Suckered By Trump's Truth Socials? | Diving In | What happens when markets have to price the risks of war and presidential credibility at the same time? In this episode, Justin Wolfers explains why U.S. stocks keep rising and falling with Trump’s Truth Social posts, despite their questionable truthfulness. The core point: even if investors discount what the president says, they continue to react because the stakes are so large. And the repeated claims that peace is just around the corner create a deeper problem. If investors come to treat presidential statements as noise rather than signal, markets may respond less than they otherwise would. That matters because Wall Street can act as a feedback mechanism, warning policymakers when a decision is economically dangerous. If that feedback loop weakens, bad policy is likely to last much longer. Subscribe on YouTube https://youtube.com/platypuseconomics Subscribe on Substack https://newsletter.platypuseconomics.com Follow on Social Media @PlatypusEconomics and @JustinWolfersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 8m 24s | ||||||
| 6/10/26 | ![]() Trump Tried to Mess With the Jobs Report. It Didn't Work. | Diving In | When the latest jobs report showed strong numbers, the internet exploded with accusations of fraud and government manipulation. And given everything the Trump administration has done—firing the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, attempting to install a partisan loyalist in her place—that skepticism isn't entirely unfounded. But skepticism and dismissal are two very different things. In this video, I want to give you the tools to evaluate the data yourself, rather than simply asking you to take my word for it. Here's what most people don't realize: the jobs report isn't a single number conjured by one agency. It's built from two separate surveys, cross-checked against state unemployment records, and stress-tested every month by independent researchers and private sector data from companies like ADP and Bank of America. I've seen authoritarian governments actually manipulate their economic data—and I know exactly what that looks like. What's happening right now isn't it. In this episode, I'll walk you through the anatomy of the jobs report, explain what real data distortion looks like, and make the case for why good economics means following the evidence—even when it doesn't fit the story you expected. 4:05 6:30 How the institution quietly held 9:16 Why I believe the numbers 14:00 What distorted data really looks like 16:06 Why the labor market looks strong Subscribe on YouTube https://youtube.com/platypuseconomics Subscribe on Substack 👉 https://newsletter.platypuseconomics.com Follow on Social Media @PlatypusEconomics and @JustinWolfersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 19m 17s | ||||||
| 6/8/26 | ![]() The Future of Work Is Care—Can Men Adapt? | The Professor Is In | America keeps talking about manufacturing — but the labor market is growing elsewhere. In this Q&A, Justin Wolfers answers audience questions and responds to subscriber comments from his recent episode diving into the gender gap in recent job growth. Topics addressed include: how the gender wage gap fits into the story, what’s standing in the way of more men entering care jobs, and whether the demand for labor in traditionally masculine fields has been overhyped. It’s a discussion about economics, politics, and culture — and part of a larger conversation that’s only just beginning. Subscribe on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@PlatypusEconomics Subscribe on Substack 👉 https://newsletter.platypuseconomics.com Follow on Social Media @PlatypusEconomics and @JustinWolfersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 24m 10s | ||||||
| 6/6/26 | ![]() Why The Stock Market Hated May’s Strong Jobs Report | Off the Clock | In this episode of Off the Clock, Justin unwinds the week’s economic news with his friend, Stacey Vanek Smith—senior writer for Bloomberg Businessweek and cohost of the Everybody’s Business podcast. The goal of this series is to help you understand what to actually be concerned about, what you can safely ignore, and where there’s room for a bit of hope. They dig into May’s better-than-expected jobs report, the stock market’s confusing reaction, and the recent concert cancellations for Trump’s Freedom 250 celebration. Justin argues there’s an economic story here—especially when you compare the rational choices of these artists to the tech industry’s relentless political brown-nosing. Then—in a new segment—Justin and Stacey take a step back from the grind of a daily news cycle to appreciate larger economic trends that give us much more fodder for optimism. First up—inflation (yes, really!). Subscribe on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@PlatypusEconomics Subscribe on Substack 👉 https://newsletter.platypuseconomics.com Follow on Social Media @PlatypusEconomics @JustinWolfers Follow Stacey @svankesmith Editor’s Note: In this conversation, we mistakenly refer to Freedom 250 as America250. America250 is a bipartisan initiative established by Congress in 2016 to commemorate America’s 250th birthday. Freedom 250 is a separate, public-private initiative established by the Trump administration via executive order earlier this year.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 51m 20s | ||||||
| 6/3/26 | ![]() The Pink-Collar Economy Is Here | Diving In | Since the start of President Trump’s second term, women have received 86% of net new payroll jobs and now hold slightly more non-farm payroll jobs than men. In this episode, Justin Wolfers explains why that shift is happening and what it says about our modern U.S. economy. This trend is not driven by employers suddenly preferring women over men, but by which parts of the economy are actually growing. The industries adding jobs are disproportionately female-heavy – especially healthcare and education. Nevertheless, much of our economic policy continues to center an outdated image of work: factory floors, hard hats, and a romanticized industrial past. But if policy keeps looking backward, it will miss where real opportunity is being created. And if leaders steer training, subsidies, and political attention toward yesterday's jobs instead of tomorrow's, workers will be left less prepared for the labor market that actually exists. Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PlatypusEconomics Subscribe on Substack: https://newsletter.platypuseconomics.com/ Follow on Social Media @PlatypusEconomics and @JustinWolfersSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 13m 23s | ||||||
| 5/30/26 | ![]() A Gas Tax Holiday Is Performative Nonsense | The Professor Is In | What happens when politicians try to look like they’re fixing high gas prices without actually fixing them? Justin Wolfers explains why a federal gas tax holiday is bad economics, good theater, and a gift to oil companies. In a follow-up to his explainer episode, Justin answers audience questions about windfall taxes, what smarter relief could look like, whether a diesel tax holiday make any more sense, and why gas prices carry so much psychological weight in American politics. Like and review for more clear-eyed economics with Justin Wolfers.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 22m 28s | ||||||
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| 5/27/26 | ![]() A Gas Tax Holiday Would Miss the Point—And the People Who Need Help | Diving In | A gas tax holiday sounds like relief, but gets the economics wrong in almost every direction. Today’s high prices are a war problem — not a tax problem. And cheaper gas is the exact wrong response to a shortage. When something is scarce, higher prices send a signal to conserve, but a tax cut blunts that signal and encourages more demand at exactly the wrong moment. It's akin to subsidizing showers in a drought. Even more frustrating, the difference between impact and incidence means that much of the benefit would bypass drivers completely — fattening the profits of oil companies instead. 📈 Key takeaway: If you want to help families during an energy shock, target the hardship—not the gasoline. ⛽ Like and review for more clear-eyed economic analysis with Justin Wolfers—no empty tanks, no empty talking points.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 17m 33s | ||||||
| 5/23/26 | ![]() Is Inflation Going to Ruin the Summer? | Off the Clock | Justin Wolfers is back with Stacey Vanek Smith to break down three of the biggest stories in economic news. Starting with the arrival of new Fed Chair Kevin Warsh — and the question of which Kevin Warsh will show up for the job: the inflation hawk from the Great Recession, or a more political figure likely to echo President Trump's calls for lower interest rates. Next, Justin and Stacey cover Bond Market 101, with Justin explaining why the U.S. government sells Treasury bonds, why investors buy them, and what rising long-term yields signal about inflation, oil prices, and the national debt. Finally, they dig into the stunning collapse in consumer sentiment, and why Justin believes these historically bleak numbers reflect something deeper than a bad economy — namely, a crisis of confidence in the people managing U.S. economic policy. At the same time, Stacey points out the affordability crunch is very real, with inflation hitting some summertime staples especially hard. If you enjoy this episode, please rate and review — and check out the link below to weigh in on Justin and Stacey's bet about midterm gas prices on Manifold Markets! Link to Justin & Stacey's bet: https://manifold.markets/StaceyVanekSmith/will-national-gas-prices-in-the-usSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 43m 57s | ||||||
| 5/20/26 | ![]() What Really Happens When Schools Lock Away Phones? | Diving In | What happens when students can’t instantly reach for their phones? In this episode of Diving In, Justin Wolfers breaks down the latest research on school phone bans and finds a result that’s more complicated—and more interesting—than many parents, teachers, and policymakers expected. Here's the broader lesson: removing a distraction does not automatically create a better outcome. In economics, that’s the problem of substitution. If less phone time turns into more sleep, conversation, or focus, that’s good. If it turns into some other kind of distraction or conflict, the gains are smaller. For parents, teachers, and anyone trying to build healthier tech habits, the stakes are personal. A little friction can change behavior—but what you put in the phone’s place may matter just as much for your family, your kids, and your own mental well-being. Check out the full paper here: https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/working-paper/effects-school-phone-bans-national-evidence-lockable-pouches 📈 Key takeaway: Phone bans can reduce use and improve well-being over time, but the real question is what fills the space the phone leaves behind. 🔔 Don't forget to like and review!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 17m 14s | ||||||
| 5/16/26 | ![]() Justin Wolfers Answers Your Questions on the National Debt | The Professor Is In | In this follow-up to an episode diving in to the federal deficit, Justin Wolfers responds to audience comments and questions including: where are interest payments going? Why can’t the government just print more money? And how do changes in immigration impact our ability to pay back our debt? If you'd like Justin to answer your question in a future segment of The Professor Is In, leave a comment below. And don’t forget to rate and review!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 13m 47s | ||||||
| 5/13/26 | ![]() How to measure the true cost of war: Justin Wolfers shows you the math | Diving In | The Pentagon said the war with Iran has cost Americans $25 billion. But that number only accounts for missiles fired and equipment destroyed. The true cost of war is measured by the future we’ve given up. In this video — my Director’s Cut of an Op-Ed I wrote last week for the New York Times — I explain why that figure is dangerously misleading and show you the math for a less precise, but far more honest answer. Using the economic concept of opportunity cost, I walk through six methods for calculating the war’s real price tag, tracing the clues through oil, interest rates, geopolitical risk, the stock market, GDP, and future defense budgets. Each of these prove that this war is not costing tens of billions — but hundreds of billions, and quite possibly trillions. Every number answers a question, and the Pentagon's $25 billion answers a very small one. Here, I'm asking the bigger one: compared to the world we had before this war, what have we lost? The answer should concern every American household. NYT Op-Ed: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/08/opinion/hegseth-war-cost.htmlSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 17m 50s | ||||||
| 5/11/26 | ![]() Are Met Gala Tickets Too Cheap? | Diving In | In this episode of Diving In, Justin Wolfers breaks down the economics of the Met Gala using two big ideas from economics: signaling and non-price competition. The basic point is simple: the high price of luxury goods isn't a bug in the system, it's the whole point. So instead of competing through discounts, brands must compete through spectacle: celebrity placements, giant flagship stores, fashion shows, editorial buzz, and events like the Met Gala — which Wolfers argues is a less-bad outlets for wasteful, non-price competition. In fact, the real scandal may be that Met Gala tickets are underpriced. If brands capture enormous media value from the event while the museum gets only a relatively small share, then the Met may be giving luxury houses a very good deal. The stakes here go beyond fashion. This is a lesson in how markets work when buyers care about status, not just usefulness—and how that affects where money gets spent, what gets built, and how prestige shapes the economy around you.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 13m 51s | ||||||
| 5/10/26 | ![]() Justin Wolfers Breaks Down the Week: Spirit, US Debt, and the AI Economy (with Stacey Vanek Smith) | What actually mattered in this week’s avalanche of economic news? In this conversation, Justin talks to his friend, Stacey Vanek Smith, Senior writer for Bloomberg Businessweek and cohost of the Everybody’s Business podcast. Together, they sort the signal from the noise: Spirit Airlines’ collapse, the U.S. debt hitting 100% of GDP, and whether AI is really driving growth—or just the headlines. For viewers trying to determine what to worry about, what you can safely ignore, and where’s there’s room for a bit of hope, this is is a practical guide to what matters and why it affects your life. The stakes are real: oil shocks can raise the cost of everyday goods, high debt can reduce the government’s room to respond in a downturn, and AI could reshape careers faster than many families are prepared for.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 38m 29s | ||||||
| 5/6/26 | ![]() Should We Actually Be Worried About the National Debt | Diving In | In this opening episode for Platypus Economics, Justin Wolfers explains why the federal budget deficit is one of the best examples of how economics can clarify a debate that politics often mangles. The central point is simple: deficits are not automatically good or bad, but a tool. And the only serious question is whether borrowing makes sense given the economy, the emergency, and the country’s ability to pay. In a crisis, large deficits are often smart policy—stabilizing incomes, supporting jobs, and keeping an economic downturn from becoming a disaster. But today’s U.S. deficit is different. America is currently running a very large deficit—about 5.8% of GDP—without the usual crisis justification. The stakes are not instant collapse, but a slower erosion of fiscal capacity, institutional credibility, and the ability to spend on things that could actually improve your life.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 15m 28s | ||||||
| 5/6/26 | ![]() Welcome to Platypus Economics | Economics. Explained. Clearly.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 1m 15s | ||||||
| 12/14/21 | ![]() Economics For All Your Decisions In Life - From Romance to Retirement | Think Like An Economist has taken you on a journey through the economic principles, showing you the tools of economics, and how they can be applied at home and at work. In this season finale, Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers reveal the big life choices they've made using those tools of economics, and how you can apply economics to help make decisions throughout your life.Co-Host: Nastaran Tavakoli-Far. Editor: Alastair Elphick. A Modulated Media Production.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 21m 21s | ||||||
| 12/7/21 | ![]() Useful Economics in Everyday Life | We're all actors in the economy, with different habits, dilemmas and choices. And economics is about everyday decisions in our daily lives as much as it is about government policy. As economics professors, Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers have honed the ways to show how economics involves everyone. They discuss their method of teaching economics, and the way they show that economic tools can help us all make good decisions.Co-Host: Nastaran Tavakoli-Far. Editor: Alastair Elphick. A Modulated Media production.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 18m 33s | ||||||
| 11/30/21 | ![]() A Conversation with Emily Oster: The Economics of Pregnancy, Parenting and the Pandemic | Emily Oster is one of the most interesting economists in the world, and she uses the tools of economics in everything she does. Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers explore Emily's thoughts about how economic ideas can provide useful insight for parents and families. This audio course is about how to think like an economist, and Emily models exactly how to do this.Editor: Alastair Elphick. A Modulated Media production.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 27m 58s | ||||||
| 11/9/21 | ![]() A Conversation with Larry Summers: The Influence of Economic Ideas and the Dangers of Secular Stagnation | Larry Summers has been at the forefront of economic thinking for decades - a World Bank chief economist, Professor at Harvard and U.S. Treasury Secretary. He's also warned that the global economy is in the midst of secular stagnation. In this episode, he tells Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers why the economy is stagnant, in spite of low interest rates. The three economists also discuss why their field is so influential, and Larry reveals how policy makers get things done.Editor: Alastair Elphick. A Modulated Media production.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 31m 35s | ||||||
| 11/2/21 | ![]() A Conversation with Greg Mankiw: Financial Crisis, Recessions and Communicating Economics | Professor Greg Mankiw is one of the most influential economists today: a New Keynesian, advisor to Presidents, and a good friend of Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers. In this episode, the three of them discuss what we can learn from financial crises, why globalisation has lost its shine, and how best to communicate economic ideas.Editor: Alastair Elphick. A Modulated Media production.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 28m 51s | ||||||
| 9/21/21 | ![]() Behavioral Economics - We're only human! | We all can make mistakes when faced with choices. Biases and old habits can get in the way of good economic decision making. Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers discuss the way our psychology affects our decisions, and they show how to make better judgements and assess the risks.Co-host: Nastaran Tavakoli-Far. Editor: Alastair Elphick. A Modulated Media production.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | 11m 15s | ||||||
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