The Operations Room: A Podcast for COO’s

It’s been a whirlwind of a season!In this special wrap-up episode, Bethany and Brandon look back on the last ten weeks of The Operations Room — the highlights, lessons, and chaos that shaped Season 2 — and share a sneak peek of what’s coming in Season 3.We reflect on:What it really feels like to step into a CEO role (and why it’s lonelier than expected).The intensity of leading through change — and learning to switch off when the buck stops with you.The balance between growth, leadership, and staying human.The power (and pain) of performance reviews done right.Why our next season will dive deep into AI, leadership, and rethinking operational strategy.Plus, we reveal our guest line-up for Season 3 — including returning favourites like Keith Wallington and Cameron Herold, and new voices exploring AI, sales, and the future of strategy.Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.You can also share your guest suggestions — one slot left for next season!Summary00:00 – Welcome and season recap02:00 – Bethany’s first 90 days as CEO07:30 – The reality of responsibility and loneliness at the top11:50 – Brandon’s reflections on scaling a high-growth team15:40 – Lessons from performance and salary reviews20:00 – What’s coming next: AI, leadership, and puzzles vs OKRs26:00 – Behind the scenes: planning the next season28:00 – Our Substack To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. This podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

In this episode we discuss: What scale up founders go through. We are joined by Jonny Burch, Designer turned Founder. Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.We chat about the following with Jonny Burch: How can rethinking the office itself completely change how people connect, collaborate, and feel part of a company?What happens when leaders stop managing people — and start designing environments where people can do their best work?Is your company culture something you say — or something you can feel when you walk through the door?What’s the real cost of ignoring the “unwritten rules” that shape how your team communicates and collaborates?How do you balance flexibility, belonging, and performance when your team is spread across screens and cities?References Https://linkedin.com/in/jonnyburchHttps://jonnyburch.comhackweeks.comtoy.studiofoundupnorth.comBiography Jonny Burch is a designer and exited founder exploring AI through a product lens. He scaled Deliveroo’s consumer design team and went on to found Progression, a platform focused on skills, personal development, and career growth. After raising over $6M from US and UK investors and successfully exiting in 2024, he's now taking time to reflect, supporting teams with AI adoption at hackweeks.com as well as incubating future products under his personal software practice toy.studio. To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. Summary06:30 – Maximizing time as a CEO08:30 – Office culture and space design10:30 – The CEO Roundtable Retreat17:00 – Building trust as a COO and CEO19:30 – Force multipliers and structure21:00 – Why growth makes CEOs feel disconnected22:30 – The SaaS Flywheel and diagnosing business health26:30 – Delegation done right27:30 – Becoming the CEO30:00 – The emotional weight of leadership31:45 – How leadership changes your brain32:30 – The paradox of influence and isolation33:30 – Knowing your limits34:30 – Lessons for leaders36:00 – Final reflectionsThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

In this episode we discuss: Resilience in Organisations. We are joined by Aušrinė Keršanskaitė, Co-founder of Operations Nation.Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.We chat about the following with Aušrinė Keršanskaitė: How can leaders tell the difference between true resilience and simply powering through burnout?When is “just-enough process” better than perfect systems in a growing company?Which of the five types of resilience—optimistic, stoic, pragmatic, active, or existential—do you rely on most at work?What happens when imposter syndrome hits even the most experienced operations leaders—and how can you use it to grow?Why might learning to walk away from the wrong role or battle be the most resilient decision of all?References https://www.linkedin.com/in/ausrinewww.operationsnation.comBiography Aušrinė Keršanskaitė is a seasoned operations leader, community builder, and connector at heart. With over a decade of hands-on experience guiding startups from scrappy pre-seed beginnings to thriving Series B stages, she knows firsthand what it takes to build strong foundations and empower people along the way.For the past five years, Aušrinė has been the driving force behind Operations Nation, a community-powered knowledge hub that connects and empowers hundreds of operations leaders around the world. Operations Nation offers a safe, supportive space for ops professionals to share advice and “ops war stories,” helping each other survive, grow, and thrive in their careers.A firm believer that operations is the backbone of every great company, Aušrinė combines her operational expertise with a deep passion for bringing people together and building community wherever she goes.To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. Summary05:00 — Balancing speed versus sustainability in scaling operations11:00 — Timing back-office investments and compliance readiness15:00 — Re-orgs, structural resilience, and organizational adaptability17:00 — Introduction to the Five Types of Resilience framework21:00 — Deep dive into each resilience type with personal stories28:30 — Imposter syndrome and trusting your gut as a leader33:00 — Redefining success and boundaries in operations roles37:00 — Shared vulnerability and leadership resilience39:30 — Final takeaway: putting your own oxygen mask on firstThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

In this episode we discuss: Navigating through an uncertain world. We are joined by Jillian Reilly, Author, Global change facilitator,  Keynote speaker, and International aid veteran. Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.We chat about the following with Jillian Reilly: What does it really take to be an effective facilitator of change within an organisation?How can operators lead confidently in uncertainty without overpromising outcomes?When should leaders rely on intuition over data—and how do they build that instinct?Can resilience be intentionally developed, or is it only forged through hardship?How do you balance empathy with accountability when leading teams through tough transitions?References https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillianreilly/https://jillreilly.substack.com/www.tenpermissions.comBiography Jillian Reilly is a founder, writer, keynote speaker, and consultant with 30 years’ experience in social, organisational, and personal change across Africa, Asia, and Central Europe. She helps people navigate change and accelerate growth, and is the author of The Ten Permissions (forthcoming), which challenges outdated approaches to adult life in the 21st century. Her memoir, Shame: Confessions of an Aid Worker in Africa, reflects on her early career in international development. Jillian’s work has been featured in the Washington Post, Newsweek, and the LA Times, and her TEDx talk Vain Aid offers insights from the aid industry. She also created the Courageous Conversations podcast, funded by the Ford Foundation, spotlighting African activists.  To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. Summary00:06:10 – Becoming a change facilitator00:08:43 – Leading in uncertainty00:10:46 – Trusting intuition00:14:19 – Navigating profound change00:18:29 – Leading without a grand vision00:22:40 – Building resilience00:28:15 – Reframing setbacks00:35:50 – Holding onto purpose00:42:10 – Empathy vs. accountability00:44:05 – Final reflectionsThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

In this episode, we discuss: The pitfalls on the path to exit. We are joined by Dirk Sahlmer, Head of Origination at saas.group.Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.We chat about the following with Dirk Sahlmer: How should leaders balance ambitious growth metrics with the realities of current team capacity?When does leadership involvement cross the line into micromanagement—and how can you avoid it?Can offshoring and distributed teams truly maintain a unified culture and performance standard?What does a “bootstrap future” look like, and is it a viable model for scaling sustainably?How can a central operations team best support rapid growth without slowing innovation?References https://www.linkedin.com/in/dirksahlmer/https://www.saas.wtfBiography Dirk Sahlmer is the Head of Origination at saas.group, a serial acquirer of small, capital-efficient SaaS companies. Known for his insightful LinkedIn posts and newsletter articles on SaaS industry trends and M&A topics, he is a respected voice in the SaaS community.To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. Summary00:07:06 – Measuring progress towards the future vision00:10:30 – Leadership decisions in action00:13:13 – Workforce shifts and offshoring00:17:57 – The “bootstrap future”00:20:49 – Building a central operations team00:22:59 – Avoiding micromanagementThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

In this episode we discuss: Authenticity in Leadership. We are joined by Matthew Stone, from ME Consulting and Creating Liberating Working Cultures. Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.We chat about the following with Matthew Stone: What message are you sending when you cancel a one-on-one — and is it the one you want employees to hear?Could listening more than you speak be the simplest way to strengthen trust and engagement?One-on-ones aren’t just meetings — how can they become your most powerful tool for retention and inclusion?Without proper training, are managers unknowingly missing the real value of one-on-ones?How can ending every one-on-one with clear commitments turn talk into tangible results?References www.emeiconsulting.comBiography Matthew has spent decades working with some of the world’s leading organisations supporting their cultural evolution. He has designed and led transformational programmes at Group Board and Executive level on an individual and team basis in the areas of leadership, strategy, delivery and performance management and has advised on the attraction, development and retention of leading industry talent.Through his direct experience in multiple settings, he understands organisational ecosystems from Board to early careers and their associated challenges. A master coaching practitioner, Matthew has spent his life exploring and embracing techniques and philosophies from around the world committing his life to building and refining approaches to individual and collective development. These include an understanding of who we are and who we could be at depth, pathways that engineer our optimal development and the interplay of peer to peer development.To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. Summary18:14 – Curiosity over metrics in accountability conversations31:06 – The starting point for emotional intelligence35:28 – Building trust during onboarding36:42 – The value of executive coaching38:46 – Vulnerability as a leadership tool41:26 – Preparing for difficult conversations43:36 – One takeaway for leadersThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

In this episode we discuss: the art and science of 1 to 1 meetings. We are joined by Dr. Steven Rogelberg, CEO, Board Member, Editor, Author, Chief Talent Officer, Director.Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.We chat about the following with Steven Rogelberg: Are your one-on-ones actually driving engagement, or are they just another meeting on the calendar?What message are you really sending when you cancel a one-on-one—and how does it impact employee trust?Why is listening more than speaking the secret to making one-on-ones truly effective?How can structured one-on-ones boost productivity, retention, and even inclusion within your team?Are most managers failing at one-on-ones simply because they’ve never been trained to do them well?References https://www.linkedin.com/in/rogelberg/stevenrogelberg.comBiography Dr. Steven G. Rogelberg is a Chancellor’s Professor at UNC Charlotte and a leading expert on meetings. An award-winning organizational psychologist, he has over 200 publications, 12,000+ citations, and received the prestigious Humboldt Award for his research. Adam Grant calls him the “world’s leading expert on how to fix meetings.”His book The Surprising Science of Meetings appeared on 25+ “best of” lists, including The Washington Post’s #1 leadership book to watch. His latest book, Glad We Met: The Art and Science of 1:1 Meetings, has earned high praise, including recognition from SHRM and Forbes.Rogelberg has been featured on CBS This Morning, CNN, BBC World, NPR’s Morning Edition, and major publications like The WSJ, NY Times, Bloomberg, and National Geographic. His keynotes have been delivered worldwide at top organizations including Google, Amazon, Pfizer, and the United Nations.In 2022, he testified before the U.S. Congress and was the inaugural winner of SIOP’s Humanitarian Award.To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. Summary14:40 The Importance of One-on-Ones17:48 Common Mistakes in One-on-Ones23:40 Building Trust and Connection26:51 Key Elements of Effective One-on-Ones27:22 Surprising Insights from Research30:34 Training and Supporting Line Managers33:28 Creating a Culture of Effective MeetingsThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy

In this episode we discuss: Is the COO the single source of truth? We are joined by Eric Collins, Investor, Serial Entrepreneur, CEO & Founding Member at Impact X Capital investing in underrepresented entrepreneurs; Author of We Don’t Need Permission (amzn.to/3Qp6G9d); & Host of Channel 4's The Money Maker.Love The Operations Room? Please support us by rating and reviewing it here.We chat about the following with Eric Collins: What makes the COO the true "source of truth" in scaling a venture-backed company?How can COOs balance growth while CFOs maintain financial discipline—and why does this partnership make or break success?Why is succession planning not just a CEO concern, but a critical step for every COO aiming to lead?Can a COO ever match a founder's passion, or is their power found in something entirely different?What does it really take for a COO to transition into the CEO seat—and what role does backfilling play in that journey?References https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericdcollinsba/?originalSubdomain=ukwww.impactxcapital.comBiography Eric Collins is a serial entrepreneur, investor, and host of Channel 4's The Money Maker. He’s held leadership roles at AOL, TimeWarner, SwiftKey/Microsoft, and Touch Surgery/Medtronic.Appointed by President Obama to the Small Business Administration’s Council on Underserved Communities, Eric now serves on the boards of Cirata, UnLtd, Crux, and Autograph ABP. A sought-after speaker and Audi brand ambassador, he’s consistently featured on The Powerlist of influential Black Britons.His award-winning book, We Don’t Need Permission (Penguin), advocates for investing in Black and underrepresented entrepreneurs as a powerful driver of social change.To learn more about Beth and Brandon or to find out about sponsorship opportunities click here. Summary23:55 The unique role that the CEO plays in a scaling organisation 28:05 The value of the COO next to the CFO30:58 Progressing as a COO33:11 CEO and COO Succession Planning33:51 The Passion of Founders vs. COOs39:56 Planning for Success as a COO43:16 Setting the Agenda in Board MeetingsThis podcast uses the following third-party services for analysis: Podcorn - https://podcorn.com/privacy