
What if Leadership is Just Navigating Through Fog? with Pete Behrens
From The Talent Forge: Shaping Workforce Behaviors with Jay Johnson by Jay Johnson
March 20, 2026 · 36 min
About this episode
Jay Johnson and Pete Behrens discuss the challenges new managers face and the importance of understanding leadership beyond just a title.
The fastest way to break a great technical team is to promote your best individual contributor and then pretend leadership is “common sense.” Jay Johnson sits down with Pete Behrens, an engineer turned leadership coach and author of Into the Fog, to unpack why so many new managers underperform within a couple of years and what to do differently before the promotion happens. We dig into the real difference between leadership and a leader title, and why influence without authority is the...
People in this episode
Host: Jay Johnson
Guest: Pete Behrens
Topics covered
- leadership
- management
- team dynamics
- influence
- coaching
Keywords
- leadership
- management
- team performance
- influence
- coaching
Mentioned in this episode
Books & works: Into the Fog
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