The Knot Principle

The Knot Principle

From The Uplifters by Aransas Savas

April 2, 2026 · 37 min

About this episode

In this episode, Aransas Savas interviews Deborah Koenigsberger, who has dedicated her life to helping women in need through her organization Hearts of Gold.

Three years ago, I launched this podcast because I believed that women in midlife were doing some of the most important, most underrated work in the world, and that if we could just hear each other’s stories, we would all be braver. Three years and 155 episodes later, I believe that more than ever. So I wanted to close out this Women Making History series with someone who embodies everything The Uplifters stands for. Someone who didn’t set out to change 40,000 lives. Someone who just saw a young woman sleeping in a park and got brave enough to walk over and say hello. Her name is Deborah Koenigsberger. She’s 65, she’s been running Hearts of Gold in New York City for over 30 years, and she is one of the most energized and energizing people I have ever talked to in my life. Deborah started her career as a fashion model and stylist. In 1989, she started her own boutique, Noir et Blanc , a French-themed women’s clothing shop in Manhattan. Then three things happened almost at the same time, like the universe was making a point. One: She was attending a Stevie Wonder concert, seven nights in a row, third row dead center (of course). His song “ Take the Time Out ” kept rattling around…

People in this episode

Host: Aransas Savas

Guest: Deborah Koenigsberger

Topics covered

  • women in midlife
  • social impact
  • personal stories
  • courage
  • community service

Keywords

  • midlife women
  • Hearts of Gold
  • Deborah Koenigsberger
  • social change
  • personal stories

Mentioned in this episode

Organizations: Hearts of Gold

Books & works: Take the Time Out

Places: New York City, Madison Square Park

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