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#32: David Reising, Lotus Protocol | Tranched Lending and the Missing Middle in DeFi Credit
May 8, 2026
47m 11s
#31: Joey Isaacson, Nook | Building a DeFi Savings App for Non-Crypto Users
May 1, 2026
46m 23s
#30: TezDev: Beyond Crypto-Natives: The Next Era of Earn w/ Tezos, Meria, and Hanji
Apr 20, 2026
33m 32s
#29: Jeremiah Smith, OpenCover | Why 99.95% of DeFi Is Uninsured
Apr 10, 2026
54m 33s
#28: Octave Mesnard, Jumper | A consumer hub vision, building for prosumers & multi-chain myths
Mar 4, 2026
49m 37s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
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| 5/8/26 |  #32: David Reising, Lotus Protocol | Tranched Lending and the Missing Middle in DeFi Credit✨ | DeFitranched lending+4 | David Reising | Lotus ProtocolAave+7 | — | Lotus ProtocolDeFi exploits+7 | — | 47m 11s | |
| 5/1/26 |  #31: Joey Isaacson, Nook | Building a DeFi Savings App for Non-Crypto Users✨ | DeFisavings app+4 | Joey Isaacson | NookCoinbase+7 | — | DeFisavings app+6 | — | 46m 23s | |
| 4/20/26 |  #30: TezDev: Beyond Crypto-Natives: The Next Era of Earn w/ Tezos, Meria, and Hanji✨ | crypto yieldsDeFi yield+4 | Arthur BreitmanOwen Simonin+1 | TezosMeria+5 | — | cryptofintech+6 | — | 33m 32s | |
| 4/10/26 |  #29: Jeremiah Smith, OpenCover | Why 99.95% of DeFi Is Uninsured✨ | DeFi insuranceOpenCover+3 | Jeremiah Smith | OpenCoverNexus Mutual | — | DeFiinsurance+5 | — | 54m 33s | |
| 3/4/26 |  #28: Octave Mesnard, Jumper | A consumer hub vision, building for prosumers & multi-chain myths✨ | consumer DeFimulti-chain future+3 | Octave Mesnard | Jumper ExchangeVaults.fyi+3 | — | Jumper ExchangeOctave Mesnard+5 | — | 49m 37s | |
| 12/10/25 |  #27: Sebastien Derivaux, Steakhouse Financial | Building Steakhouse, MakerDAO's RWA Legacy, and DeFi risk management✨ | real-world assetsDeFi+4 | Sébastien Derivaux | Steakhouse FinancialMakerDAO+4 | — | Steakhouse FinancialMakerDAO+6 | — | 1h 06m 12s | |
| 9/23/25 |  #26: Andrew Keys, The Ether Machine | Why DATs beat ETFs & The $654M Ethereum Bet✨ | cryptocurrencyEthereum+3 | Andrew Keys | ETFsEthereum+3 | Ethereum's | crypto treasuryETFs+5 | — | 31m 51s | |
| 9/16/25 |  #25: Rob Montgomery, InfiniFi | How InfiniFi Hit $120M TVL & bringing tradFi onchain✨ | DeFitraditional finance+3 | Rob Montgomery | InfiniFiPendle | — | InfiniFiDeFi yields+5 | — | 42m 54s | |
| 8/6/25 |  #24: John Morrow & Holt Butler, Gauntlet | Vault Curation, gtUSDa, & The New DeFi Landscape✨ | DeFivault management+4 | John MorrowHolt Butler | GauntletGauntlet USD Alpha+2 | — | GauntletDeFi+5 | — | 58m 37s | |
| 7/2/25 |  #23: Ivan Kozlov, Resolv | Yield bearing stables, why tranching works, & "stablecoinizing" everything✨ | stablecoinstranching+4 | Ivan Kozlov | Resolv ProtocolTradFi+2 | — | stablecointranching+6 | — | 56m 56s | |
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| 6/11/25 |  #22: @Defi_dad & @Nomaticcap | ETH's path forward, narrative problems, & the user advantage✨ | EthereumBitcoin ideology+3 | DeFi DadNomatic | The Edge PodcastThe Edge Newsletter+2 | 2025 | EthereumBitcoin+5 | — | 1h 29m 33s | |
| 4/21/25 |  #21: Dion Chu, Term Finance | Beyond Variable Rates, DeFi's Fixed Income Future✨ | fixed-rate lendingDeFi+4 | Dion Chu | Term FinanceElectric Capital+4 | — | fixed-rate lendingDeFi+7 | — | 39m 16s | |
| 4/11/25 |  #20: Nik Kunkel, Chronicle Labs | Oracle Evolution & Enabling the Tokenization Wave | Today’s guest is Nik Kunkel, the founder and CEO of Chronicle Labs. Nik is a long-time contributor to MakerDAO and an early builder in the oracle space. * Nik: https://x.com/nomos_paradox* Chronicle: https://x.com/ChronicleLabs* Ryan: https://twitter.com/RyanRodenbaugh* Wallfacer: https://x.com/wallfacerlabs* vaults.fyi: https://twitter.com/vaultsfyiTimestamps: * 00:00 Introduction to Nik Kunkel and Chronicle Labs * 00:19 Nik's journey from IBM Hyperledger to MakerDAO * 03:27 Joining MakerDAO and the origins of SAI * 04:57 Early challenges with stablecoins and off-ramping * 06:54 The early days at MakerDAO and infrastructure challenges * 10:06 Introduction to Chronicle Labs and its origins * 14:32 Oracle scalability challenges and solutions * 17:05 Validator roles and the importance of identity * 20:44 How validators collect and report data across protocols * 21:58 How apps and chains choose Oracle providers * 27:24 Metrics for comparing Oracle providers * 30:24 Understanding Oracle business models * 37:03 Different pricing approaches for Oracle services * 40:33 Chronicle's focus on real-world assets (RWAs) * 46:21 Fungible vs. non-fungible RWAs and growth potential * 51:11 Chronicle's role in the Spark Grand Prix and Verified Asset Oracle * 55:32 Future evolution of the Oracle space * 58:37 The Chronicle points program and staking This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 1h 01m 13s | ||||||
| 3/31/25 |  #19: Sam MacPherson, Spark | Building DeFi's Liquidity Layer | Today’s guest is Sam MacPherson, co-founder and CEO of Phoenix Labs, the core contributors to the Spark Protocol. Sam is also a long-time contributor to Sky, previously known as MakerDAOSam: https://x.com/hexonautSpark: https://x.com/sparkdotfiRyan: https://twitter.com/RyanRodenbaughWallfacer: https://x.com/wallfacerlabsvaults.fyi: https://twitter.com/vaultsfyiTimestamps: 00:00: Introduction and Sam's Journey to MakerDAO03:05: Idealism vs. Practicality in Protocol Evolution09:10: The SubDAO Model and Spark's Genesis15:30: The Role of Spark in the Sky Ecosystem18:50: Spark Liquidity Layer Innovation24:10: The Banking Analogy and Value Distribution29:10: The Stablecoin Landscape and Tether's Dominance34:19: Cross-Chain Expansion and Bridge Infrastructure36:40: Competitive Dynamics in DeFi39:40: RWA Integration and the Grand Prix45:40: Spark's Future and Value Capture49:50: Closing Remarks and Ways to FollowPlease like, subscribe, and share with a friend! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 50m 26s | ||||||
| 2/3/25 |  #18: Luca Prosperi, M^0 | Reimagining Money & the Future of Stablecoins | How are stablecoins reshaping the financial stack?Ryan chats with Luca Prosperi about reimagining the financial stack from first principles, why separation between money creation and distribution matters, and how M^0's enables both DeFi protocols and fintech apps to build better products.Follow our guests: https://x.com/LucaProsperihttps://x.com/m0foundationAnd try out Wallfacer’s latest release: https://app.vaults.fyiFollow our host: https://twitter.com/RyanRodenbaughhttps://warpcast.com/ryanrodenbaugh.ethTimestamps00:00 - Luca's crypto red pill03:03 - The philosophy of money07:21 - Understanding modern banking12:14 - Reflections on working with MakerDAO17:24 - The current state of RWAs21:52 - The belief behind M^030:28 - $M's role as wholesale money38:04 - How M^0 manages collateral41:40 - Composability and $M44:47 - M^0's pitch for GTM success47:37 - The economics of stablecoin issuers53:58 - M^0's two token governance model58:32 - The economics of M^01:00:52 - Levelling up crypto monetary infrastructure1:04:27 - Closing predictions on DeFi This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 1h 13m 07s | ||||||
| 1/17/25 |  #17: Michael Bentley, Euler | Building DeFi’s Global Liquidity Layer | How is Euler Finance becoming DeFi's global liquidity layer? Ryan Rodenbaugh chats with Michael Bentley about reimagining DeFi infrastructure through modular design, what’s driving the protocol’s high yields, and why more builders are choosing Euler as their foundation.Follow our guests: https://x.com/euler_mabhttps://x.com/eulerfinanceAnd try out Wallfacer’s latest release: https://app.vaults.fyiTimestamps00:00 - Michael’s background05:22 - Getting into crypto08:32 - The vaults.fyi app09:17 - Euler’s culture 12:12 - Screening for culture fits14:17 - Sticking around after the Euler hack17:00 - Euler v2 vs Euler v119:49 - Euler as primitive infrastructure28:54 - The case for alternative collateral 31:28 - Why Euler is a RWA project35:58 - Bootstrapping stablecoins with modular DeFi protocols39:37 - What’s driving Euler’s high yields42:51 - Balancing incentives for a mature token46:05 - Euler’s metrics for success49:30 - Why don’t protocols just launch on Euler?52:48 - DeFi and the Lindy effect55:04 - What’s next for Euler59:37 - Realizing Euler’s vision This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 1h 01m 56s | ||||||
| 12/2/24 |  #16: Matt Fiebach, Entropy Advisors | Accelerating the Arbitrum DAO | @RyanRodenbaugh sat down with @MattFiebach of @EntropyAdvisors in our latest podcast! They discussed how the Entropy team is accelerating the @arbitrum DAO, the current OpCo proposal, & the world of decentralized governance. Timestamps00:00 - What is Entropy Advisors?01:59 - Why Arbitrum?05:54 - Who contributes to Arbitrum today?08:02 - Which Arbitrum competitors stand out?12:11 - Offchain Labs’ influence on Arbitrum13:56 - What does OpCo address?16:10 - How OpCo has been received18:35 - Analogous structures & OpCo’s role21:40 - In-house vs service providers23:07 - How L2s are valued25:33 - Arbitrum DAO’s business model28:25 - Matt’s thoughts on the Superchain narrative37:02 - What should L2s focus on?41:16 - Arbitrum’s homegrown success stories46:37 - Focusing on Ethereum vs other L1s51:13 - Arbitrum and L2 interoperability53:18 - Friction points for users54:58 - Getting people onchain & closing thoughtsFollow our guests: https://x.com/MattFiebachhttps://x.com/EntropyAdvisorsStay connected with Wallfacer: https://twitter.com/wallfacerlabshttps://linktr.ee/wallfacerlabshttps://twitter.com/ryanrodenbaughhttps://warpcast.com/ryanrodenbaugh This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 59m 42s | ||||||
| 11/4/24 |  #15: @DeFi_Made_Here (DMH), Instadapp | Building Fluid, DeFi’s Liquidity Layer | 🎙️ Join @RyanRodenbaugh and @DeFi_Made_Here in our latest podcast. They discussed @0xFluid’s approach to DeFi, @Instadapp’s evolution, and more!Timestamps00:00 - DMH’s background04:40 - What is Fluid?07:09 - Instadapp’s evolution09:05 - Fluid’s design10:40 - How the Liquidity Layer works12:35 - Risk in Fluid’s ecosystem14:55 - Fluid’s competitive rates 16:03 - How Fluid utilizes capital 24:51 - Building on the Liquidity Layer29:10 - Collaborating with other protocols33:00 - Fluid’s biggest competitor 35:35 - Rapid growth without token incentives37:19 - Maintaining APY with high TVL39:45 - Fluid’s approach to L2s41:41 - The evolution on $INST43:19 - Establishing Fluid as a “blue-chip” protocolFollow: https://x.com/defi_made_herehttps://x.com/instadapphttps://x.com/0xFluidFollow Wallfacer: https://twitter.com/wallfacerlabsAnd our host, Ryan Rodenbaugh: https://twitter.com/ryanrodenbaugh https://warpcast.com/ryanrodenbaughAnd subscribe for all our other content: https://linktr.ee/wallfacerlabs This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 47m 20s | ||||||
| 9/6/24 |  #14: Facu, Yearn & MOM | Yearn’s evolution & building with Mom | RyanRodenbaugh caught up with @saltyfacu of @yearn/@built_by_mom in our latest podcast! They discussed @yearn's OG culture, its evolution, future direction, and explored Facu's builder collective @built_by_mom.00:00 - Facu’s background03:30 - Yearn’s OG culture05:00 - Outcomes of pseudo anonymity 07:06 - Yearn’s structure today09:51 - How Yearn’s culture has evolved12:00 - DeFi Summer memories13:19 - Maintaining Yearn’s reputation14:40 - Avenues for growth16:23 - L2 expansion19:57 - Alternative L1s21:14 - What is Mom?23:20 - What is Ajna?26:20 - Choosing who to work with27:57 - Mom’s marketing style34:12 - Misconceptions about working in DeFi36:00 - Mom’s products41:36 - What’s nextLinks: https://x.com/saltyfacuhttps://x.com/built_by_momhttps://twitter.com/ryanrodenbaughhttps://twitter.com/wallfacerlabshttps://twitter.com/vaultsfyi This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 43m 04s | ||||||
| 8/27/24 |  #13: Thomas Mattimore, Reserve Protocol | Index Products, Stablecoin Growth, & Wider User Adoption | 🎙️ In our latest episode, @RyanRodenbaugh talks with @mattimost of @ReserveProtocol. They discuss the appeal of index products in DeFi, growing and governing a healthy stablecoin protocol, onboarding crypto-natives vs mainstream users, and more!Timestamps00:00 - Introduction03:03 - Index products in DeFi07:47 - Reserve’s user profiles12:04 - Crypto-native vs mainstream product design15:30 - What motivates Reserve’s governance community18:11 - Active vs organic growth20:20 - Catalysts for Reserve’s growth21:41 - What makes a protocol healthy25:08 - Onboarding users to stablecoins30:40 - Learnings that challenged previous beliefs33:50 - Integrating RWAs 36:43 - Thomas’ background and path to Reserve38:45 - Closing thoughts This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 40m 38s | ||||||
| 6/29/24 |  #12: Evgeny Yurtaev, Zerion | Building the ZERO Network L2 and the evolution of Zerion | Today’s guest is Evgeny Yurtaev, the Co-Founder and CEO of Zerion. Zerion is a crypto wallet for everything onchain. Zerion has also recently announced that they are building ZERO, a Layer 2 network that is designed to offer zero fees00:00: Introduction 00:40: Defining a modern crypto wallet 06:00: Views on crypto + social 09:15: Defining Zerion's target users 11:40: Wallets, wallets, wallets 19:30: The evolving business of Zerion 24:25: ZERO and improving the onchain user experience 30:25: Building an ecosystem around ZERO and attracting content creators 41:10: Building on the @zksync Zk Stack 48:00: The business of ZERO 52:00: Onchain identity / Zerion DNA Learn more: Zerion, Evgeny, and Zerohttps://x.com/zerionhttps://x.com/evgeth_https://x.com/zerodotnetworkWallfacer Labs and Ryanhttps://x.com/wallfacerlabshttps://x.com/RyanRodenbaugh/ This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 57m 25s | ||||||
| 6/5/24 |  #11: @definikola, DeFi Saver | Building for power users, monetization, and crypto UX layers | In this episode, @definikola from DeFi Saver joins us to discuss balancing quality and quantity, catching blue-chip protocols early, and DeFi Saver's business model. We also touch on the dominance of blue-chip apps, the importance of user control and what’s next for DeFi Saver.00:00 - Introduction to DeFi Saver02:55 - Balancing quality and quantity04:51 - New products and new users07:07 - Catching blue-chip protocols early10:36 - How not tracking users impacts building products12:35 - DeFi Saver’s business model17:55 - Recipes and novel use cases22:23 - Why blue-chip apps dominate23:50 - Why more people don’t use UX layers27:23 - Frontend fees29:18 - Giving control to users32:52 - The pros and cons of having a token36:22 - Integrating passkeys to DeFi Saver37:66 - What’s next from DeFi SaverTo learn more about Definikola: https://x.com/definikolaAnd Defi Saver: https://defisaver.com/Follow Wallfacer: https://twitter.com/wallfacerlabsAnd our host, Ryan Rodenbaugh: https://twitter.com/ryanrodenbaugh https://warpcast.com/ryanrodenbaughAnd subscribe for all our other content: https://linktr.ee/wallfacerlabs This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 42m 19s | ||||||
| 4/9/24 |  #10: Sefton Kincaid, Cicada Partners | The past, present and future of onchain credit | In our latest podcast, we sat down with Sefton Kincaid of @cicadacredit!We discussed the past, present and future of onchain credit, as well as Cicada’s recent partnership with @TrueFiDAO 🎙️00:00 - Sefton’s background04:40 - The efficiencies of DeFi protocols09:44 - The history of crypto credit17:20 - Collateralized vs uncollateralized credit18:30 - TrueFi and Maple’s appeal21:55 - Crypto credit today21:45 - Borrowing from custodians26:38 - Communication between lenders29:03 - The pricing of risk31:25 - Why Sefton stayed in onchain credit32:20 - Cicada Partners’ founding thesis33:15 - Asset backed lending34:48 - The appetite for RWA deals37:22 - Cicada’s partnership with TrueFi40:44 - DeFi vs CeFi lending in the future44:13 - Common misconceptions in onchain credit47:51 - The future impact of onchain credit49:38 - Closing thoughts Follow Wallfacer: https://twitter.com/wallfacerlabsAnd our host, Ryan Rodenbaugh: https://twitter.com/ryanrodenbaugh https://warpcast.com/ryanrodenbaughAnd subscribe for all our other content: https://linktr.ee/wallfacerlabs This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 51m 28s | ||||||
| 4/1/24 |  #9: Regan Bozman, Lattice | Product-market fit, building moats, & picking winners at seed in crypto | Today’s guest is Regan Bozman. Regan is the co-founder of Lattice, an early-stage crypto venture fund. Regan Bozman: Learn more: https://twitter.com/reganbozmanhttps://www.lattice.fund/00:00 - Regan’s background01:56 - ICO takeaways05:25 - Changes in the crypto investor landscape13:40 - Improvements in the space16:33 - Building for the current crypto audience19:45 - Lattice’s founding thesis and development21:14 - Non-crypto-native funds returning to crypto22:55 - Competing with crypto’s biggest funds24:15 - Exciting areas and contrarian positions30:18 - Private VC rounds vs market buying32:08 - Lattice’s perfect deal34:47 - Having an irrational belief in crypto36:00 - Making contrarian bets40:13 - Valuing equity vs tokens41:14 - Building moats in crypto43:20 - Types of distribution45:16 - Organic crypto marketing46:25 - Lattice’s investing process48:37 - Examples of failed deals50:00 - Investing in applications53:43 - How experience informs how Lattice invests55:45 - Where the market is going58:08 - Product-market fit in cryptoFollow: https://twitter.com/wallfacerlabsAnd subscribe for all our other content: https://linktr.ee/wallfacerlabs This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 1h 04m 19s | ||||||
| 3/22/24 |  #8: Wesley Pryor, Acheron Trading - Transparency and the role of crypto market makers | Today's guest is Wesley Pryor, the founder of Acheron Trading, a digital asset market maker. You can learn more about Wesley on X: https://twitter.com/wes_dewayneAnd his firm on their blog: https://acherontrading.com/blog00:00 - The role of market makers06:00 - Listing tokens on exchanges08:13 - How market makers get paid14:06 - Market making in crypto vs traditional finance17:25 - The risk of mispriced options20:00 - Wesley’s background and Acheron’s story27:25 - Acheron’s thesis on providing liquidity29:50 - Transparency in market making32:52 - Predatory market makers41:30 - Loan and call options50:45 - Examples of predatory token launches56:03 - Different types of market making58:04 - Enforcement of standards in crypto market making59:40 - Future predictions for crypto market makingTo learn more about Wallfacer Labs, you can follow us on X: https://twitter.com/wallfacerlabsOr our host, Ryan Rodenbaugh: https://twitter.com/RyanRodenbaugh This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit wallfacerlabs.substack.com | 1h 02m 45s | ||||||
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