Business for Good Podcast

What if giving away your profits actually made your business stronger? In this milestone 200th episode of Business For Good, host Paul Shapiro sits down with Peter Singer, widely regarded as the world's most influential living philosopher, to explore why companies should commit at least 10% of their profits to effective charitable causes and how doing so might attract customers, motivate employees, and ultimately grow the business. Peter co-founded the Profit for Good initiative with Julia van Boven, and in this conversation he lays out the case for a new standard in how businesses treat their profits. He explains why he believes it is possible to become a billionaire ethically, why capitalism remains the only system that has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty at scale, and why the question is not whether to earn wealth but what you do with it once you have it. The conversation also turns to Peter's assessment of the animal protection movement fifty years after he published Animal Liberation. He explains why his call for a boycott of meat has been, in his own words, a dismal failure, why people are far more conservative in their eating habits than he anticipated, and why technological invention rather than moral persuasion may ultimately do more to reduce animal suffering. Things You Will Learn: Why Peter Singer argues that giving away profits could attract customers, recruit better talent, and grow a business. Why Peter believes it is ethical to be a billionaire, provided you are actively planning how to use that wealth for good. Why the animal protection movement has failed to reduce the total number of animals raised for food despite fifty years of advocacy. How technological alternatives to animal products may do more to reduce suffering than moral persuasion alone. Why Peter supports family planning as an effective intervention for reducing both poverty and environmental harm. Tools & Frameworks Covered: Profit for Good Model: A framework in which companies commit at least 10% of their profits to effective charitable causes, with the thesis that this commitment can also serve as a competitive advantage by attracting purpose-driven customers and employees. Progressive Giving Scale: Peter's graduated donation framework from The Life You Can Save, where individuals start at 1% of income and increase the percentage as their earnings grow, reaching 10% or more at higher income levels. Charity Ownership Advantage: A model being developed with Brad West in which philanthropists acquire existing for-profit businesses and convert them into profit-for-good entities, redirecting 100% of profits to charity while preserving existing management and operations. #BusinessForGood #SustainableBusiness #FutureOfFood #AlternativeProtein #PeterSinger #ProfitForGood #EffectiveAltruism #AnimalLiberation #EthicsOfWealth #CharitableGiving #FactoryFarming #AnimalWelfare #EffectiveCharity

Is alternative protein really a failing industry, or are investors just applying the wrong timeline? Noga Golan, Founder of Food Impact Partners and Food Impact Careers, has an unusually clear view of that question. Her executive recruiting firm and free job board sit at the intersection of candidate demand and company hiring across the global food innovation landscape. In this episode with Paul Shapiro, Noga shares data from nearly 60,000 job views and 35,000 application clicks in the first half of 2026, revealing that companies are still actively hiring even as the broader narrative around alternative protein remains pessimistic. Commercial roles now account for 34 percent of job postings, a signal that the sector is shifting from R&D toward revenue generation. Candidates remain especially drawn to fermentation and cultivated meat positions, often with more enthusiasm than skepticism about the sector's future. Noga argues that much of the perceived distress stems from applying venture capital and software timelines to an industry that still has to build physical supply chains, achieve price parity, and shift consumer behavior. She compares the current moment to the dot-com correction, suggesting that the boom-and-bust cycle may look like noise over a 20- to 30-year horizon. Things You Will Learn: Why alternative protein may be suffering from a timing mismatch rather than a technology problem. How the shift toward commercial hiring signals that food tech companies are moving from invention to revenue. Why candidate interest remains strongest in fermentation and cultivated meat despite sector headwinds. Why mission-aligned employees are not automatically more productive than those motivated by other factors. How founders can avoid common hiring mistakes by focusing on execution goals rather than idealized candidate profiles. Tools & Frameworks Covered: Product Market Fit as a Hiring Lens: Evaluating startup viability and team-building decisions through obsessive focus on the end buyer, rather than leading with technology or mission as the primary filter. Goal-Based Executive Search: Structuring the recruiting process around a company's 12- to 18-month business objectives and anticipated challenges, rather than matching resumes to static job descriptions. Sector Timing vs. Technology Readiness: Distinguishing between an industry that has failed and one where investor expectations were calibrated to software-speed returns in a physical production business. #BusinessForGood #AlternativeProtein #FutureOfFood #FoodTech #FoodInnovation

What if the same drilling technology that powered the shale boom could be redirected to produce clean, carbon-free electricity around the clock? In this episode of Business For Good, Paul Shapiro sits down with Tim Latimer, CEO and chairman of Fervo Energy, to explore how a former oil and gas drilling engineer built one of the most celebrated clean energy companies in the country in under a decade. Tim started Fervo in 2017 with two core beliefs: that the world would need more reliable clean electricity, and that advances in horizontal drilling had made geothermal energy dramatically more cost-effective than anyone in the geothermal industry realized. Those beliefs led to a partnership with Google, a pilot project in Nevada that produced the first horizontal geothermal well ever drilled, and a 2026 IPO that raised over $2 billion. The conversation covers why geothermal has remained a rounding error in the energy mix for over a century, how Fervo reduced drilling times from 70 days to 21 days in just four years, why their process differs fundamentally from oil and gas fracking, and what milestones investors should watch as the company scales toward 500 megawatts at its Project Cape site in Utah. Things You Will Learn: Why geothermal energy has remained less than 1% of U.S. electricity despite being over a century old. How horizontal drilling technology borrowed from oil and gas is transforming the cost structure of geothermal power. Why Fervo's process is structurally different from fossil fuel fracking, even though it borrows similar techniques. How Fervo went from startup to a multi-billion-dollar publicly traded company in under a decade. Where the next wave of geothermal entrepreneurship opportunities may emerge across the value chain. Tools & Frameworks Covered: Horizontal Drilling for Geothermal: Applying directional drilling techniques from the oil and gas industry to access deeper, hotter rock formations and dramatically increase well productivity compared to traditional vertical geothermal wells. The Earned Secret Framework: The idea that successful startups are built on insights that incumbents have missed, whether because the timing was not right, the technology had not yet transferred across industries, or conventional wisdom had not caught up with reality. Investors Invest on a Line, Not a Point: A fundraising philosophy emphasizing consistent delivery against stated milestones over multiple rounds, building credibility that compounds with each stage of execution. #BusinessForGood #SustainableBusiness #CleanEnergy #FutureOfEnergy

Episode Summary What if the global food system isn't "broken" in the way sustainability debates usually claim, and treating it that way leads to worse decisions? Paul Shapiro sits down with Jan Dutkiewicz and Gabriel Rosenberg, authors of Feed the People, to unpack how industrial scale and trade created unprecedented food abundance, why "eat local" and small-farm nostalgia collapses at 8 billion people, and what practical policy levers can improve outcomes without fantasy. They explore a clear framework, more food, less feed, no fuel, why animal agriculture remains an inefficient use of land and protein, and how public policy can reshape meat demand by changing incentives instead of accepting forecasts as fate. You'll leave with sharper systems thinking, grounded tradeoffs, and a clearer view of what scalable food system decarbonization can actually look like. Things You Will Learn How to evaluate food system claims using systems logic instead of slogans. Why meat demand rises, and how policy can bend the curve without moralizing. What "more food, less feed, no fuel" implies for land use, emissions, and investment priorities. Tools & Frameworks Covered More food, less feed, no fuel. Prioritizes crops for human food over animal feed and biofuels. Incentives over narratives. Shows how policy choices shape production, prices, and demand. Democratic hedonism. Meets people where they are, then reduces harm at scale. #BusinessForGood #SustainableBusiness #FutureOfFood #AlternativeProtein #FoodSystemDecarbonization

Episode Summary A rice field does not look like the starting point for a scalable building materials company until you understand the economics behind it. In this episode of Business For Good, Paul Shapiro sits down with Chris Guimond, Founder and CEO of Modern Mill, to explore how discarded rice hulls are being transformed into ACRE, a wood like siding, decking, and trim product designed to replace old growth lumber. Chris explains why deforestation is a supply and demand problem, how Modern Mill cracked the manufacturing and adoption challenges that derail most composites, and what it takes to raise significant capital to build real infrastructure in the United States. The conversation covers circular economy manufacturing, competing with billion dollar incumbents, and why climate solutions scale only when they outperform existing systems on cost, durability, and ease of use. Things You Will Learn Why most sustainable materials fail at adoption and how to avoid that trap How supply chain location determines whether upcycling works economically What it takes to scale a hard tech manufacturing business in a legacy industry Tools and Frameworks Covered Supply chain proximity strategy to control logistics costs and reliability Adoption first product design for builders and contractors Capacity planning to scale manufacturing without breaking trust Episode Timestamps 05:10 – Why rice hulls present a hidden opportunity in building materials 08:56 – Cracking the code on turning agricultural waste into scalable products 13:20 – Why most composites fail to replace wood 25:20 – How logistics and location shape upcycling economics 35:10 – Scaling capacity before demand fully arrives #BusinessForGood #SustainableBusiness #CircularEconomy #ClimateSolutions #FutureOfFood

If you've ever checked the ingredients on a baked good, you know how ubiquitous eggs are. They bind, they lift, they emulsify, they hold moisture — they're simply the structural engineers of cookies, cakes, and muffins everywhere. But they're also volatile: prices spike, supply chains break, and for anyone with an egg allergy or who's avoiding eggs for animal welfare or environmental reasons, eggs aren't exactly a welcome ingredient to find on the ingredient deck. Enter Hadar Ekhoiz Razmovich, CEO and co-founder of Meala FoodTech, an Israeli startup that's figured out how to make peas do what eggs and hydrocolloids do, and has consequently raised several million dollars in venture capital so far. Meala's breakthrough lies in taking simple pea protein and using advanced biotechnology to unlock its hidden abilities — creating a single-ingredient powder that they say can whip, bind, and gel just like an egg in baked goods and alternative meat. No multi-ingredient formulations, no methylcellulose, no animal inputs — just plants doing some biochemical magic. In this episode, Hadar shares how her background in R&D led her to tackle one of food science's toughest challenges: replacing eggs and hydrocolloids without sacrificing texture, taste, or cost. We talk about how Meala's technology works, what it takes to convince industrial bakeries to swap eggs for peas, and why she believes clean-label ingredients like this are the future of food. Hadar is not just rethinking what we eat, she and her team are rebuilding the food system from scratch, one cookie, cake, and croissant at a time. Discussed in this episode Meals is backed by The Kitchen Food Tech Hub, DSM's venture arm, Milk & Honey Ventures, Lasenor, and EIT. Our past episode with Milk & Honey Ventures' Beni Nofech. More on Meala's egg replacer, GroundBaker, is here. You can see two pending patent applications of Meala's here and here. Get to know Hadar Ekhoiz Razmovich Hadar Ekhoiz Razmovich brings over 12 years of leadership experience in the global food industry, with a strong focus on driving innovation and R&D across traditional food sectors. Throughout her career, she has led complex, multidisciplinary projects from early concept development to full commercial launch, consistently bridging technological capabilities with real market needs. In 2021, she founded Meala FoodTech with a mission to transform the food industry. Under her leadership, Meala is pioneering clean-label functional protein that deliver superior texture, bite, and mouthfeel—without compromise and without undesirable additives. Her work empowers food manufacturers to create simpler, more natural, and better-tasting products, setting a new benchmark for next-generation of food. Hadar is widely recognized for her strategic vision, deep industry insight, and ability to translate scientific innovation into scalable commercial solutions.

What if one solution to fashion's waste problem is literally growing on our own heads? Every day, salons around the world toss out millions of pounds of freshly cut human hair — a clean, protein-rich, renewable resource that mostly ends up in landfills or incinerators. But what if that so-called waste could become the next sustainable textile? My guest on this episode, Zsofia Kollar, is the founder and CEO of Human Material Loop, a Netherlands-based startup turning salon hair waste into a high-performance fibre that behaves like wool — but with 43 times lower CO₂ emissions, 20 times less water use, and none of the animal cruelty or plastics. Their branded fiber, called Adara, is already being spun into things like carpets, curtains, and acoustic panels — and it's made from something we all grow ourselves. In this conversation, Zsofia and I talk about how she got the idea to build an entire materials company out of human hair, how her technology works, why hair is such a strong and versatile material, the "ick" factor of human-derived fibres, and how she's scaling her model so that salons and HML benefit alike. If you think using human hair in textiles sounds strange, stick around — because by the end of this episode, you might just want a carpet made from your own cut-offs. I'll let Zsofia make the case. Discussed in this episode Washington Post coverage of Human Material Loop's work. Vogue and CNN have covered their work, too. Zoroastrians sometimes practice sky burial on a Tower of Silence, in which vultures are allowed to consume a recently deceased human. Our past episode on human composting with Recompose. Get to Know Zsofia Kollar Zsofia Kollar is a forward-thinking entrepreneur passionate about sustainable innovation. Science and design are crucial in the company's development. After her experience running an independent design studio, Zsofia was driven to reimagine waste management, focusing particularly on hair waste. Her goal is to foster collaboration and innovation for a more sustainable future. Human Material Loop demonstrates that sustainability and economic growth can coexist. Zsofia's dedication extends beyond her CEO role—she's also a published author and university lecturer, inspiring others in design and sustainability. Her vision entails holistic sustainability, where science, design, and collaboration reshape waste management and drive innovation.

If you've ever changed a diaper, you might've wondered what happens to it after it goes in the trash. The answer, unfortunately, is that it'll sit in a landfill for hundreds of years—certainly longer than the baby who briefly wore it will live. In fact, every diaper you wore when you were a baby is still sitting around, at best in a landfill, or perhaps even in the ocean. And did you know the average American baby goes through 6,000 diapers before learning to use a toilet? But what if fungi could change that? In this episode, I sit down with serial entrepreneur Miki Agrawal, the founder of Thinx (yes, the period underwear company), Tushy (yes, the bidet company), and now HIRO Technologies—a company using plastic-eating fungi to help disposable diapers return to the earth. Miki, who some have dubbed the "Queen of pee, poop, and periods," (I think they should shorten it to the "Queen of Secretions") shares how an opportune moment with her toddler and a children's book about fungi inspired her to launch HIRO. Her company's first product—HIRO Diapers—uses a packet of dormant, culinary-grade fungi that awaken when exposed to moisture and begin breaking down the diaper's plastic components, dramatically reducing its landfill lifespan from centuries to under a year, after which it simply becomes dirt. We talk about everything from the science of fungal degradation to the challenges of biotech entrepreneurship, from raising millions for an unconventional idea to why she believes reconnecting with nature is the ultimate form of innovation. Whether you're a parent, a sustainability enthusiast, or just fascinated by the intersection of biology and business, this conversation will make you rethink what "waste" really means. Discussed in this episode It was the children's book Pacha's Pajamas that implanted the idea in Miki's mind about plastic-eating fungi. You can buy HIRO Diapers here. You can see HIRO's original kickstarter, including video pitch, here. Miki recommends checking out the UN Millenium Goals for ideas of companies to create. Reuters discusses HIRO's launch and technology. Miki also started Thinkx (period underwear) and Tushy (bidets). More about Miki Agrawal Miki Agrawal is the creative force behind acclaimed social enterprises TUSHY (the modern bidet brand), THINX (period-proof underwear), and WILD (NYC's first gluten-free pizza concept), collectively valued at over $250 million. Miki is the author of best-selling books "DO COOL SH*T" and "DISRUPT-HER". Her latest company HIRO is a revolutionary nature-based start-up harnessing ancient technology - fungi - to help solve the global plastic crisis. Their first product is a baby diaper that returns to the earth with the help of friendly fungi. (They chose diapers to launch with because they're the #1 household plastic waste item that takes 400+ years to decompose in a landfill - and each baby uses ~6,000 diapers in their lifetime. Wild, right?) HIRO Diapers starts returning to the earth with the help of fungi - and they're soft, safe, high-performing and ready to change the game. Recognized as one of Fast Company's "Most Creative People," a "Young Global Leader" by the World Economic Forum, and named one of INC's "Most Impressive Women Entrepreneurs," Miki brings a wealth of experience and expertise to the stage as a keynote speaker. Her authentic talks have been validated by audiences at MindValley, EO, and Capitalism.com, who have voted for her as the #1 best speaker among hundreds of speakers.