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Post-Divorce Grief (Does it Ever Go Away?)
Jun 16, 2026
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Learn How to Get Into Enjoying Your Free Time!
Jun 2, 2026
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When the Fear of Failure Stops You From Getting Stuff Done
May 19, 2026
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The Question Divorced Women Keep Asking (And the Better One to Ask Instead)
May 5, 2026
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Did You Ever Really Grow Up? The Truth About Individuation After Divorce
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| 6/16/26 |  Post-Divorce Grief (Does it Ever Go Away?) | Today we get honest about the grief that shows up even when you know you made the right decision. In this episode of the Divorced Christian Woman Podcast, we’ll answer a real question from a Flying Higher member who's been circling back to her grief and wondering why she can't just move on.What we uncover might surprise you. It's not just about missing him. And it's definitely not something you can solve by scattering unity sand in a river.🔑 Key Takeaways:What you're actually grieving might not be what you think: Is it really him you miss, or is it something else entirely that you haven't let yourself name yet?There's a hidden layer of grief that most divorced women never even look for, and it might be the most important one.Dissonance is real: Can you grieve something you didn't even want? We have something important to say about this.Is there a timeline for grieving a marriage? My answer might feel controversial, but also like the biggest exhale you've had in a long time.Crying in the bathtub, journaling at midnight, lying face-down on the floor: what do these things actually do for your grief, and why do they work?Related Resources:Flying Higher is our live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. Be sure to check out Diana’s podcast, Renew Your Mind! Do you have a question for the Divorced Christian Woman Podcast? Send me an email! natalie@flyingfreenow.com | 36m 43s | ||||||
| 6/2/26 |  Learn How to Get Into Enjoying Your Free Time! | You finally have a Saturday to yourself. The kids are gone. The house is quiet. And somehow... you end up on your phone for three hours feeling guilty. Sound familiar? There is something happening in your brain that's worth understanding.In this episode, Natalie and Diana Swillinger dig into the science behind why divorced Christian women struggle to enjoy their own free time, and why the solution isn't a better to-do list. If you've ever felt frozen when you finally had space to breathe, this conversation was made for you.🔑 Key Takeaways:Why does your brain freeze when you finally have free time? There's a specific psychological phenomenon that explains the paralysis, and it has nothing to do with laziness.Could the real reason you can't relax be hiding in a belief you don't even know you're carrying?What's the difference between the women who learn to enjoy their free time and the ones who stay stuck, and which side of that line are you on?There's a simple three-part framework that bypasses your brain's resistance entirely. Could this be the missing piece?Diana and Natalie each share the personal practice they use to reconnect with what they actually want. Is one of them exactly what you need?Related Resources:Flying Higher is our live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. Be sure to check out Diana’s podcast, Renew Your Mind! Do you have a question for the Divorced Christian Woman Podcast? Send me an email! natalie@flyingfreenow.com | 33m 57s | ||||||
| 5/19/26 |  When the Fear of Failure Stops You From Getting Stuff Done | What if failure isn't the problem -- it's the story you're telling yourself about it?In this episode of the Divorced Christian Woman Podcast, I take you through the first part of a class I teach inside Flying Higher. Let’s talk about the real reason failure stops us cold. It’s not the failure itself. It's the meaning we assign to it, the story we quietly tell ourselves about what it says about who we are.But there's something even harder to face than failing. It's the moment you break trust with yourself. These two things look alike but they're completely different, and once you understand the distinction, the way you relate to your own setbacks will never be the same. This episode draws from two lessons inside the Flying Higher program.Key Takeaways:What does a toddler learning to walk have to do with your biggest setback? The answer will shift the way you see every failure you've ever had.Carol Dweck spent decades studying why some people bounce back from failure and others don't. What's the one thing that actually determines which kind of person you are?There's a critical difference between failing and breaking trust with yourself. Do you know which one you're actually dealing with right now?Why does getting on your own case about not following through make things so much worse? It has to do with a part of your brain I call Myrtle, and her response will surprise you.Two small daily practices can quietly rebuild your relationship with yourself from the inside out, even if you've broken your own promises more times than you can count.Related Resources:Flying Higher is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. Do you have a question for the Divorced Christian Woman Podcast? Send me an email! natalie@flyingfreenow.com | 25m 50s | ||||||
| 5/5/26 |  The Question Divorced Women Keep Asking (And the Better One to Ask Instead) | Today’s conversation is a kick in the pants AND a permission slip, all wrapped into one.🔑 Key Takeaways:What if "I don't know who I am anymore" is actually the wrong question to be asking? Natalie and Diana reveal the reframe that changes everything.Your roles as wife, mom, church lady, and caretaker were never your identity. So what IS underneath all of that, and why does discovering it feel so scary?Is it actually selfish to turn inward and focus on yourself? The answer might flip everything you've been taught.Loneliness after divorce feels overwhelming, but there's a surprising reason why resisting it actually makes it worse.What does "living life to the max" look like when you're finally free? Natalie and Diana share their own answers, and they look nothing alike. HAHA!Related Resources:Flying Higher is our live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. Be sure to check out Diana’s podcast, Renew Your Mind! Do you have a question for the Divorced Christian Woman Podcast? Send me an email! natalie@flyingfreenow.com | 48m 41s | ||||||
| 4/21/26 |  Did You Ever Really Grow Up? The Truth About Individuation After Divorce | Most Christian women were never given permission to fully become themselves. Not as girls, not as wives, and not inside their churches. So when the marriage ends and the roles fall away, they're left with a terrifying blank page and a question they don't know how to answer: Who am I?In this episode of the Divorced Christian Woman Podcast, we get real about a psychological process called individuation and why so many divorced Christian women are doing it for the very first time in midlife. We’ll walk through three critical mindset shifts, seven signs of a woman who's becoming her own person, and three small but powerful practices you can start this week.🔑 Key Takeaways:Why do so many divorced Christian women feel like they skipped an entire stage of growing up - and what does it take to go back and do it now?What is the fawn trauma response, and why does it explain why you keep saying yes when everything inside you is screaming no?There's a difference between self-awareness and self-blame - and getting it wrong keeps you stuck. Diana shares the two words she wrote down that finally changed everything.What does it actually look like when a woman is becoming individuated? Natalie walks through 7 signs - and you might already be further along than you think.Why do creativity, self-love, and knowing your values have everything to do with becoming a fully formed adult - and what are the three tiny practices that can start rewiring your nervous system this week?Related Resources:Flying Higher is our live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. Be sure to check out Diana’s podcast, Renew Your Mind! Do you have a question for the Divorced Christian Woman Podcast? Send me an email! natalie@flyingfreenow.com | 47m 20s | ||||||
| 4/10/26 |  Stories of Rebuilding Financially After Divorce | What if everything you've been told about financial devastation after divorce is wrong?This season finale brings you something different: real stories from real divorced Christian women who rebuilt their financial lives from the ground up. Grace shares how she went from budget deficit to financial peace while taking it one small step at a time. Jenny reveals how she built a six-figure business starting with just an iPad in her bedroom after 36 years as a stay-at-home mom. Kimberly talks about moving into a $3,000 trailer and eventually buying her dream house. Diana explains how she transformed her relationship with money itself.These aren't fairy tales. These are messy, honest accounts of women who started with nothing, made mistakes, pivoted, learned, and kept going. No one ate cat food. No one ended up destitute. But they all had to get curious, ask questions, and take one brave step at a time.Key Takeaways:Find out why one woman's investment advisor stopped wanting to work with her after divorce and what she learned from being forced to figure it out herselfDiscover the simple free tool that helped two of these women turn managing money into a game instead of a source of anxietyLearn what happened when a homeschool mom of 10 with no career walked into Target and started asking every customer about their jobHear why living in a leaking trailer for $300 a month became one woman's favorite memory and what it taught her about real securityFind out how changing three simple beliefs about money transformed one coach's entire financial realityRead the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Flying Higher is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $590 for an entire year of learning how to be remarkable in every way! Be sure to check out Diana’s podcast, Renew Your Mind! | 57m 22s | ||||||
| 4/3/26 |  Retiring the Idea of Retirement After Divorce | What if everything you've been told about retirement is wrong—especially after divorce?In this episode, Natalie and Diana explore why the traditional retirement model might actually be keeping you stuck in fear and financial anxiety. You'll discover how retirement is just a cultural construct from 1889 that may not serve your post-divorce life at all—and what to do instead.🔑 Key Takeaways:Why divorced women might actually have a strategic advantage when it comes to financial freedom (this will surprise you!)What you're really seeking isn't retirement—it's something far more attainable starting TODAYThe shocking math behind traditional retirement that explains why you feel so much pressureHow working longer could actually reduce your stress and create MORE freedom (not less!)The powerful question that replaces "Will I have enough money?" and changes everythingWhy your most valuable asset has nothing to do with your 401(k)The "portfolio life" concept that gives you options instead of leaving you dependent on one income sourceResources mentioned:Smart Passive Income Podcast Episode 897 with Derek CoburnBook: "Let's Retire Retirement" by Derek CoburnFeel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Flying Higher is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $590 for an entire year of learning how to be remarkable in every way! Be sure to check out Diana’s podcast, Renew Your Mind! Full show notes HERE | 51m 24s | ||||||
| 3/27/26 |  Buying, Selling, and Renting After Divorce: A Guide for Christian Women | In Season 3, Episode 8 of the Divorced Christian Woman Podcast, Natalie and Diana sit down with Diane Wallenta, a certified divorce lending specialist with 25 years in the mortgage industry. If you're confused about whether you can afford to buy, whether you're "too old" to get a mortgage, or whether you should just keep renting, this conversation is for you.You'll learn the truth about age limits, what lenders actually look at when you're divorced, how to rebuild your credit after divorce, and why your gut instinct about your budget matters more than what you "qualify" for. Diane breaks down the numbers without the intimidation and gives you the roadmap for making the housing decision that's right for your unique situation.🔑 Key Takeaways:Why an 89-year-old man just got a 30-year mortgage (and what that means for you)The hidden reason renting might be your smartest financial move right nowWhat loan officers don't tell you about the "12-24 month rule" for divorced womenThe one mistake with child support payments that could tank your mortgage applicationWhy the amount you "qualify" for could be a trap (and how realtors benefit from it)Would you like to talk to Diane about your situation? You can contact her by email: dwallenta@fbst.com or phone: 612-875-7414Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Flying Higher is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. Be sure to check out Diana’s podcast, Renew Your Mind! | 49m 09s | ||||||
| 3/20/26 |  Living Your Rich Life | Today we’re going to explore something you probably never expected to find after divorce: abundance. Not the kind with a big bank account. The kind that fills your soul.You'll hear about the shift that happens when you stop waiting for heaven and start creating it now. There's a perspective change that transforms your ex from villain to... something surprising. And you'll discover why one woman says she makes poverty look good and absolutely means it as a compliment.🔑 Key Takeaways:The difference between being financially wealthy and living a rich lifeWhy your rich life might have nothing to do with your bank accountWhat changes when you ask yourself one simple question every single dayThe identity shift that makes healthy habits actually stickHow to know if something is worth the cost (hint: it's not about the price tag)Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question here | 56m 28s | ||||||
| 3/13/26 |  Estate Planning and Insurance After Divorce | Let’s talk about everyone’s favorite topic: death and disaster! Kidding. Kind of.In this episode, I sat down with Leah Hadley (who has so many professional credits after her name, that I’ll just let you scroll down to see all of them. Trust me. She’s qualified.) to tackle the post-divorce brain bender that is estate planning and insurance. If you’ve ever wanted to scream into the void because you don’t know what kind of health insurance to get or who should get your vintage Corelle dishes when you die, this episode is for you.Because as Leah and I discussed, doing nothing is still doing something. But is it really what you WANT to do?Key Takeaways: Insurance isn’t evil. It’s protection.Health insurance gets complicated after divorce.Life insurance = love letter from the grave.Auto, renter’s, and umbrella insurance matter.Estate planning isn’t about death. It’s about love.Update beneficiaries, stat.Power of attorney & healthcare directives = urgent.Considering marriage again? Get a prenup.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. Get free classes through Leah’s Instagram account. Today's guest is Leah Hadley, AFC®, CDFA®, MAFF®Founder/Senior Financial PlannerAs the Founder of Intentional Divorce Solutions (formerly known as Great Lakes Divorce Financial Solutions) and Intentional Wealth Partners. Leah Hadley is committed to guiding clients to financial independence through thoughtful and strategic planning.An influential voice in the financial community, Leah is a sought-after speaker and expert in overcoming financial setbacks and navigating the financial complexities of divorce. She's a frequent guest on podcasts and has contributed her insights to numerous books and online platforms. Leah is also the author of "When It's Just Not Working: A Practical Divorce Guide for Stay-At-Home Moms." At the heart of her practice, Leah finds genuine satisfaction in empowering her clients to achieve their most heartfelt financial goals. In her leisure time, she enjoys reading, hiking, and spending quality time with her husband, three children, and three dogs. Professional Credentials:Accredited Financial Counselor (AFC)Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA)Master Analyst in Financial Forensics (MAFF)Collaboratively trained Financial NeutralMediator trained through an Ohio Supreme Court-approved program with 100+ hours of continuing education in alternative dispute resolution | 1h 01m 59s | ||||||
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| 3/6/26 |  Building a Business After Divorce | So, you want to start a business?In this episode, Diana and I share our not-so-glamorous but totally doable journeys of starting businesses from the ground up.We’ll help you get clear on whether building a business is even for you, how to start small, test your ideas and how to make peace with imperfection. You’ll walk away with tangible steps and permission to start messy.Key Takeaways:You don’t need permission to start a business. Fear and perfectionism are lying liars. Approval-based thinking will kill your dream.Start small. Test first.Your business doesn’t have to be full-time or world-changing on Day One.If you’re not confident, you’re normal. Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. Be sure to check out Diana’s podcast, Renew Your Mind, and then reach out to her at diana@dianaswillinger.com to get business coaching. | 1h 00m 21s | ||||||
| 2/27/26 |  Creating Your Own Spending Plan (AKA BUDGET!) | This week we’re going to tackle one of the most pressing questions divorced women face: What if you're rebuilding from nothing? What if you had to take on debt just to leave? And what if the shame around your financial situation feels heavier than the actual numbers?There's a two-word phrase that changes everything when it comes to managing your money. You'll discover unconventional ways women have eliminated major expenses while still living full lives. And you'll hear why one of the biggest lies you've been told might be the very thing keeping you stuck.🔑 Key Takeaways:Why the emotion attached to your debt matters more than the numberThe two-word reframe that removes anxiety from financial planningWhat actually happens when you call your lenders The creative income strategies you've probably never consideredWhy your timeline doesn't have to match anyone else's expectationsRead the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Diana’s podcast, Renew Your MindJillian’s podcast, Hungry for LoveFlying Higher is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. Money with Katie Budgeting ToolMonarch Budgeting App (Get 50% off your first year HERE) | 47m 08s | ||||||
| 2/20/26 |  Tax Tips and Tricks After Divorce | In this episode of The Divorced Christian Woman Podcast, I’m joined by Diana Swillinger and accredited financial counselor and tax genius Dee Carter. Whether you’re DIY-ing your taxes or outsourcing to someone, this one’s for you.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. Get in touch with today’s guest, Dee Carter: mdcarter1205@gmail.comCheck out the Renew Your Mind Podcast with Diana SwillingerToday’s Guest: Dee CarterDee is an Accredited Financial Counselor (AFC). She has 15 years of experience as a tax professional where she educates, guides, and supports her clients through their tax preparation, planning and responding to the IRS, if necessary. She empowers women through education in personal finance and helps them build financial confidence through creating and achieving financial goals. | 47m 49s | ||||||
| 2/13/26 |  Investing Basics After Divorce | "I'm not selling my house right now, so it doesn't matter what it's worth today."That one sentence changed everything about how I look at my INVESTMENT accounts. And if watching your investments go up and down makes you want to hide under the covers, you need to hear this analogy.Today we’re talking about investing after divorce by breaking down the three buckets every divorced woman needs to understand, what to do with settlement money sitting in your bank account, and when you actually need a financial advisor versus when you can handle it yourself.If you've ever thought "someone needs to rescue me financially," this episode is for you.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereResources mentioned in this episode:Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month. The Renew Your Mind Podcast with Diana SwillingerDave Ramsey Baby StepsMoney with Katie ShowInvesting for DummiesToday's Guest: Samantha Compton, President & Senior Financial AdvisorIt wasn’t until a major life event that Samantha realized a desire to understand and set up her own financial future. That transitional experience helps her remember that financial topics can be intimidating and confusing, especially for those unfamiliar with industry lingo.Once Samantha became educated and equipped in her own finances, she wanted to serve others by giving insight for their financial futures. She especially enjoys helping women going through divorce and/or the loss of a spouse as well as facilitating financial conversations between couples and helping the non-CFO of the family understand what is in place for their future.Samantha has helped singles and couples develop their long-term financial plans since 2012, when she began her financial career. In 2016, she transitioned to Wise Wealth as a senior financial advisor, and in 2023, she opened Insight Wealth, an EverSource Wealth Advisors team.The information discussed in this podcast is provided for informational and educational purposes only and should not be construed as investment, tax, or legal advice. The views expressed are those of Samantha Compton and do not necessarily reflect those of EverSource Wealth Advisors.Advisory services are offered through EverSource Wealth Advisors, a registered investment adviser. Registration does not imply a certain level of skill or training.Investing involves risk, including the potential loss of principal. Past performance is not indicative of future results. Listeners should consult their own financial, tax, or legal professionals before making any investment decisions. | 1h 04m 48s | ||||||
| 2/6/26 |  Money Mindset: How Our Beliefs About Money Impact Our Lives | Welcome to Season 3 of the Divorced Christian Woman Podcast! This season we’re getting all up in your business (literally): the money business. And we’re kicking things off by asking: What’s your money mindset looking like after divorce? Is it cool, calm, and collected, or hiding in a closet stress-eating Oreos and ignoring the bill collectors?I invited my friend and fellow coach Diana Swillinger to help us unpack the tangled web of beliefs we’ve inherited about money, and how to burn those unhelpful scripts to the ground so we can build a mindset that actually serves us.🎯 Key Takeaways:Your money beliefs didn’t drop from heaven on a golden scroll. They were absorbed from your family, church, culture, and that one pastor who said poverty = holiness You’re allowed to love money. Not in a “Scrooge McDuck swimming in gold coins” kind of way, but in a “money helps me take care of my life and generously support others” kind of way.Money is not evil. Abuse of power is. And guess what? You having resources = you having options = less abuse. Coincidence? I think not.Self-trust is everything. If you’ve been financially controlled, rebuilding trust in yourself is the first step. God wants you to believe in yourself, because guess who made you? You are not the exception to God’s love. Generosity starts with you. Stop excluding yourself from the care you give to everyone else.You can be Christian AND want financial security. Shocker, I know. Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Flying Higher is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence in their relationships, emotional management, decision making, and self-development. Join us for live classes, coaching, Bible study, and book studies every month. Plus access to a huge library of education and coaching resources. Only $59/month or $590 for an entire year of mind-blowing personal growth. Be sure to check out Diana’s podcast, Renew Your Mind! Grab a copy of You Are a Badass at Making Money: Master the Mindset of Wealth by Jen Sincero | 53m 47s | ||||||
| 12/19/25 |  Creating New Friendships as a Divorced Christian Woman | So, you got divorced and your social life went up in flames. Welcome to the club, friend. Pull up a chair.In this season finale, I sit down with my friend Diana Swillinger (host of The Renew Your Mind Podcast) to talk about something every divorced woman eventually faces: the weird, wonderful, terrifying world of making new friends when you're a whole new person.We talk about the great scattering (as Mel Robbins calls it), how to let go of draining friendships without guilt, and why being rejected might not actually kill you. If you're feeling lonely, wondering where your people went, or ready to rebuild your community from scratch with people who actually see you, this episode is the warm hug and gentle shove you need.And don't worry, introverts, we’ve got you too. You can still want deep connection without having to attend a single church potluck ever again. Promise.Key Takeaways:Friendships change after divorce, and that’s normal.You’re allowed to let go of draining people. Seriously, permission granted.Great friendships need three things: proximity, timing, and energy.Let them be who they are, and let yourself be you.You don’t need a huge friend group, just real ones.Rejection happens, and you’ll survive it. Promise.Be open, take small risks, and make the first move sometimes.Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence, emotional management, relational health and empowered self-development. Check out Diana’s website and explore some resources, listen to her podcast, The Renew Your Mind Podcast, and finally, connect with her on Facebook and Instagram. | 59m 31s | ||||||
| 12/12/25 |  Your Relationship with Yourself: Learning to Like (and Love) Who You Are Again | What if the most important relationship you’ll ever have isn't the one with your ex, your pastor, or even your cat, but the one with yourself? (I know, scandalous.) In this episode, I’m joined by three divorced Christian women, Barb, Diana, and Lisa, to unpack what it really looks like to reconnect with yourself after decades of religious programming and marital trauma.We Talk About:Rebuilding your identity after your inner toddler’s been gagged and duct-taped by shame for too longWhy self-love isn't selfish How IFS (Internal Family Systems) can help you make peace with all the parts of you, even the hot messes and drama queensThe sneaky inner critic that won’t shut up and how to lovingly calm her downTiny, powerful ways to rebuild trust with yourself (without selling your soul to a Himalayan yoga retreat)Whether you’re eight days or eight years post-divorce, this episode is your permission slip to stop apologizing for existing and start building a fierce, compassionate relationship with the one person who will always be there: YOU.Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence, emotional management, relational health and empowered self-development.Check out Diana’s website and explore some resources, listen to her podcast, The Renew Your Mind Podcast, and finally, connect with her on Facebook and Instagram.Connect with Dr. Barb on her website, Integrative Coaching for Life. Read the book Lisa recommended, Hidden Within. | 59m 43s | ||||||
| 12/5/25 |  Building Healthier Relationships with Adult Children Post-Divorce | You've survived the marriage from Hades, signed the divorce papers, and maybe even had your ceremonial "burn the wedding dress" moment. Your kids are grown, they have opinions (lots of them), and some of those opinions are... not in your favor. If you're wondering how to rebuild, repair, or even just exist in relationship with your adult children post-divorce without losing your mind (or your will to live), this episode is your safe space.I sit down with my friend and fellow coach, Diana Swillinger, for a conversation about the complex and often heart-wrenching work of parenting adult kids after divorce.What We Talk About:How your adult kids might try to parent YOU Why their black-and-white thinking isn’t your fault, (but also maybe kind of is?)How we passed on rigid theology and why it complicates everything nowWhen your child blames YOU for the divorce (hello, Christian programming!)The fine line between a heartfelt apology and a full-blown grovel-festUsing cognitive behavioral tools to detach from their drama and stay in your laneHow to hold space for conflicting realities without losing your own mindHope for reconciliation, even when it feels lightyears awayWhat it means to bring the peace (no, not a pumpkin pie. Peace.)Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence, emotional management, relational health and empowered self-development.Check out Diana’s website and explore some resources, listen to her podcast, The Renew Your Mind Podcast, and finally, connect with her on Facebook and Instagram. | 56m 04s | ||||||
| 11/28/25 |  Raising Resilient Kids: Building Connections that Matter | Why do your kids act like little angels at their dad’s house and then transform into rabid raccoons the moment they step foot into your kitchen? No, it’s not because you’re failing as a mom (although that voice in your head might say otherwise). It’s because YOU are the safe one. In this episode, we unpack all of it: the chaos, the trauma, the meltdowns, and the sacred role you play in raising kids who actually make it out of this mess OK.I sat down with Diana, Loretta, and Charlotte, three divorced Christian mamas who’ve done the hard work of parenting through PTSD, manipulation, religious confusion, and all the weird stuff your kids’ dad tries to pull post-divorce. We Talk About:Why your kids hold it together at Dad’s house and come unglued at yours (hint: it’s not about “respect”)What Polyvagal Theory has to do with your kid whacking you in the head with a Richard Scarry bookWhy “big behavior” ≠ “bad kid”How Christian parenting culture gets trauma so wrongWhat to say (and what NOT to say) when your kid reports their dad’s latest anticsWhy curiosity > control when it comes to parentingPractical boundaries that protect your kids AND your sanityReframing fear and people-pleasingThe long game of parenting: trust, patience, and letting your kids learn to think for themselvesFeel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question here Related Resources:Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence, emotional management, relational health and empowered self-development.Check out Diana’s website and explore some resources, listen to her podcast, The Renew Your Mind Podcast, and finally, connect with her on Facebook and Instagram.Contact Loretta at info@mycoachloretta.com | 55m 26s | ||||||
| 11/21/25 |  Church Relationships After Divorce: Reclaiming Your Spiritual Community | Ever wondered what happens to your church relationships when your marriage falls apart and you do the unthinkable (aka, choose not to be miserable for the rest of your life)? In this episode, I sat down with Diana, Stacey, and Marie, to talk about the real fallout that happens not just in marriage, but in the holy halls of church after divorce.What We Talked About:How divorce changes everything about how you experience churchWhat happens when you realize your church was more in love with patriarchy than JesusSpiritual deconstruction (a.k.a. following Jesus out of the building)Learning to hear God’s voice (Head’s up: it’s not your ex, your pastor, or the elder’s wife)Releasing or renewing relationships after betrayalForgiveness: what it is, what it isn’tHow to support your kids spiritually without traumatizing them Rebuilding community outside of the institution (Zoom counts, y’all)Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence, emotional management, relational health and empowered self-development. Listen to the audiobook for All the Scary Little Gods by yours truly for FREE! Books mentioned: Freeing Jesus by Diana Butler Bass, The Book of Forgiving by Desmond Tutu, and Faith After Doubt by Brian McLaren.Connect with Marie on her blog, Live Like it Matters, and website, Spiritual Direction with Marie. Connect with Stacey and find all her resources on her Linktree. Check out Diana’s podcast, The Renew Your Mind Podcast. | 55m 10s | ||||||
| 11/14/25 |  Neighbors, Acquaintances, and Small Town Gossip: Living Free in a Fishbowl | So you got divorced, and now you’re the scandal of the century in your tiny town (or tight church circle). You’re dodging judgmental glances in the grocery store and wondering if your prayer request just got broadcasted as Christian-sanctified gossip. Sound familiar? In this episode, I team up with my friend and fellow coach, Diana Swillinger, to talk about how to take your power back when your life becomes the talk of the neighborhood.If you're tired of feeling like your healing is public property and you’re ready to walk tall again, even while Sister So-and-So is side-eyeing you from the church pew, this one’s for you.What You’ll Learn in This Episode: Why small communities (and churches) make divorce extra spicy How gossip can hijack your story, and how to stop handing it overPractical ways to reclaim your voice, dignity, and narrativeHow to respond to those “concerned” (ahem…nosy) commentsWhat shame does to your soul and how to evict it for goodWhy protecting your story is wisdom, not paranoiaConfidence tips to strut your stuff, even when your insides are spaghettiHow to truly stop giving a flying fig about other people’s opinionsFeel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence, emotional management, relational health and empowered self-development.Check out Diana’s website and explore some resources, listen to her podcast, The Renew Your Mind Podcast, and finally, connect with her on Facebook and Instagram.Listen to Amy Cuddy’s TED Talk and do some power poses. | 46m 19s | ||||||
| 11/7/25 |  Professional Relationships After Divorce: Boundaries and Respect in the Workplace | Have you ever been talked over in a meeting, assigned work with no warning, or gotten that oh-so-lovely “Can you just help with this one little thing?” at 4:59 p.m.? In this episode, I’m joined by Stacey, Diana, Marie, and Grace, all divorced Christian women who are navigating life post-divorce in the workplace. We’re diving deep into how to show up for yourself professionally without selling your soul or compromising your values.What We Talked About:How divorce made us braver and more assertive at work Real-life stories of standing up to toxic bosses and winning (even if your hands are shaking the whole time)Tips for dealing with mansplaining, micromanagers, and Monday meetings Knowing when to speak up and when to let it go Elsa-styleCreating unshakeable boundaries around your time, energy, and sanityHow trauma triggers show up in the office, and how we’ve learned to manage themWhy being a “dependable worker” doesn’t mean being everyone’s doormatUsing body language and presence to command respect The sacred art of saying “no” without apologizing or over-explainingGossip: How to shut it down without becoming the HR policeFeel like a hot mess after divorce? This FREE 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women who are ready to evolve into the next version of themselves. A version that is more confident, more regulated, and more at peace about all of life. Connect with Marie on her blog, Live Like it Matters, and website, Spiritual Direction with Marie. Connect with Stacey and find all her resources on her Linktree. Check out Diana’s podcast, The Renew Your Mind Podcast.Add Presence: Bringing Your Boldest Self to Your Biggest Challenges by Amy Cuddy, Dare to Lead by Brené Brown, and Rich Girl Nation by Katie Gatti Tassin to your library.Check out Toastmasters. | 1h 02m 23s | ||||||
| 10/31/25 |  Family of Origin Wounds: How They Shape Divorce and Healing | What if your deepest shame wasn’t actually yours to carry?If you’ve ever felt the cold shoulder from your Christian family after your divorce, or you’re still untangling the sticky spiderwebs of shame and silence from your upbringing, pull up a chair. This episode is for you.I sat down with friend and fellow coach, Diana Swillinger, and together we unpacked how family of origin dynamics continue to haunt, shape, and sometimes straight-up sabotage your healing after divorce.Here’s what we discuss:What if the heavy load you’ve been dragging around was never yours to begin with?Could their cutting looks and guilt-trips actually say more about them than about you?What if boundaries weren’t about controlling others at all but something far more personal?At what point do parents stop calling the spiritual shots in your life?Is it possible that saying “no more contact” could actually be a sacred act?Why does the loss of “what should’ve been” sting almost more than the loss itself?Can forgiveness bring peace without flinging the door wide open again?Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is a life-changing mentorship program for divorced Christian women pursuing increased confidence, emotional management, relational health and empowered self-development.Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace. Check out Diana’s website and explore some resources, listen to her podcast, The Renew Your Mind Podcast, and finally, connect with her on Facebook and Instagram.Dive into the books recommended in today’s episode, Finding Meaning: The Sixth Stage of Grief and Forgiveness After Trauma. You can also listen to the interview I did with the author of Forgiveness After Trauma on the Flying Free Podcast, Episode 281. | 1h 02m 31s | ||||||
| 10/24/25 |  Rebuilding Your Relationship with God After Divorce | What if everything you believed about God was actually holding you hostage?In this episode, I sat down with my friends and fellow coaches Diana Swillinger, Stacey Wynn, and Marie Griffith to get real about what it looks like to rebuild your relationship with God after the spiritual ground beneath your feet crumbles.We’re talking about spiritual deconstruction, not as a slippery slope into heresy ( it’s actually a slip ‘n slide into FREEDOM), but as a necessary and sacred process of untangling truth from toxic theology. We share our personal stories of excommunication, church hurt, faith unraveling, and finding Jesus outside the four walls of evangelical dogma.If you’ve ever felt like you’re "getting it wrong" with God or wondered if there’s still a place for you in the Kingdom after divorce, doubt, and deconstruction, this episode is your permission slip to breathe.Key Takeaways:Deconstruction ≠ Losing Faith. It’s not rebellion, it’s reconstruction. It’s spiritual adulthood. It’s what happens when you stop obeying blindly and start seeking bravely.Jesus Is Still Here. Even when your theology implodes and your church unfriends you. Especially then.Faith Isn’t Fragile. If asking honest questions makes your faith crumble, maybe it was more fear than faith to begin with.Slippery Slopes Are FUN. Turns out that “slippery slope” we were warned about? It leads to love, liberation, and disco dance parties with the Holy Spirit.Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence, emotional management, relational health and empowered self-development.Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace. Connect with Marie on her blog, Live Like it Matters, and website, Spiritual Direction with Marie. Connect with Stacey and find all her resources on her Linktree. Check out Diana’s podcast, The Renew Your Mind Podcast. | 50m 51s | ||||||
| 10/17/25 |  Your Ex, His Family, His Girlfriend, Heck, His Entire Orbit | Is being "nice" to your ex keeping you stuck in his orbit? In this episode, my friend and fellow coach Diana Swillinger and I peel back the layers on everything related to your ex.We tackle the sticky, icky, post-divorce drama: how to set boundaries, why you don't owe him or his people anything, and how to stay in your lane.If you've ever wondered:Am I being mean for not giving a crap about his new wife?Is it bad to limit contact with his family?Should I let my kids like the girlfriend? (Um. You can’t stop them. Sorry.)Am I a monster for offering him the fine china after he got legally dubbed an abuser?...then welcome. Pull up a chair. Laundry List of Scenarios We Cover: When your ex still wants to be your BFF When his mom keeps bringing up the marriage When his new girlfriend is too nice and your kids love her When his lawyer won’t quit When triangulation sucks you in, and you need to say, “I’m out”Read the full show notes and/or ask Natalie a question hereRelated Resources:Flying Higher (https://joinflyinghigher.com) is my live mentorship program for Christian women pursuing increased confidence, emotional management, relational health and empowered self-development.Feel like a hot mess after divorce? This 5-Day Workshop will teach you a mind-shift tool to help you learn a powerful way to manage your thoughts and emotions in order to navigate adult decisions with clarity and peace. Check out Diana’s website and explore some resources, listen to her podcast, The Renew Your Mind Podcast, and finally, connect with her on Facebook and Instagram. | 55m 05s | ||||||
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