Passle CMO Series Podcast
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Episode 210 - Gaius Powell of Wilkin Chapman Rollits on Turning Pre‑merger Considerations into Post‑merger Value
Sep 29, 2026
36m 33s
Episode 209 - Eileen Kinney-Mallin on How to Drive Lawyer Adoption of Your CRM
Sep 24, 2026
23m 15s
Episode 2 - CMO Series Laterals & Mergers: 2 Good 1 Bad with Craig Budner from Budner Performance Group
Sep 16, 2026
5m 40s
Episode 1 - CMO Series Laterals & Mergers: 2 Good 1 Bad with Grasford Smith from Akerman
Sep 10, 2026
4m 44s
Episode 7 - CMO Series Laterals & Mergers: Heidi Gardner and Ivan Matviak on How Law Firms Can Turn Relationships into Revenue
Sep 3, 2026
35m 49s
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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
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| 9/29/26 | Episode 210 - Gaius Powell of Wilkin Chapman Rollits on Turning Pre‑merger Considerations into Post‑merger Value | A merger doesn't end when the ink dries. For Wilkin Chapman Rollits, the real work started afterwards with harmonising systems, bringing two firms together, and taking time to build new firm values that actually reflected the combined business. On this episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Will Eke sits down with Gaius Powell, Director of Marketing and Business Development at Wilkin Chapman Rollits. Gaius talks through his career journey, the client‑driven thinking behind the merger, and why the firm chose to wait before relaunching its values. He also shares how they designed client feedback interviews around those values to understand how they show up in practice. Will and Gaius dive into: Gaius's career journey and what led him to Director of Marketing and BD at Wilkin Chapman Rollits How Rollits partners joining Wilkin Chapman ahead of the merger helped set the stage for what followed The main considerations behind the merger, and the thinking around building a strong presence across both regions What day-to-day life looked like post-merger, integrating laterals and building a shared culture Why the firm waited to relaunch its values, and what that process involved How updated interview-based client feedback shows the values showing up in real client relationships | 36m 33s | ||||||
| 9/24/26 | Episode 209 - Eileen Kinney-Mallin on How to Drive Lawyer Adoption of Your CRM | A CRM implementation can involve a huge investment of time, money and resources, but making sure lawyers actually use a new CRM is another challenge entirely. On today's episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Charles Cousins is joined by Eileen Kinney-Mallin, who has first-hand experience leading a global CRM implementation within a law firm. Eileen shares what it takes to drive genuine lawyer adoption, her own experience taking a CRM project from selection through to launch, and how building adoption into the process from day one made all the difference. She also highlights her career journey and how she came to realise the significance of implementing a CRM, and how involving lawyers and other stakeholders early on shaped both the technology and its eventual success. Charles and Eileen dive into: Her career journey and how she came to realise the significance of implementing a CRM The distinction between implementing technology and driving real transformation Why adoption needs to start at the very beginning of a CRM project, not at launch How involving lawyers and other stakeholders early on shapes both the technology and its success Using tangible use cases, like relationship scoring, to show lawyers what's in it for them How firms should measure genuine adoption and success once a CRM is live | 23m 15s | ||||||
| 9/16/26 | Episode 2 - CMO Series Laterals & Mergers: 2 Good 1 Bad with Craig Budner from Budner Performance Group | Last week you heard from Grasford Smith, a Litigation Partner and Co-Chair of the lateral integration programme at Akerman, to hear his insights on two good things that have worked for the programme and one thing that he and his Co-Chair would avoid doing again. This week we’re bringing you another exciting episode of 2 Good 1 Bad. Connor Kinnear sits down with Craig Budner, CEO of Budner Performance Group and former Global Strategic Growth Partner at K&L Gates, who had a front‑row view of a major law firm merger, guiding Hughes and Luce through integration and seeing firsthand how firms grow through both merger and lateral expansion. With Craig’s 25+ years of experience, he shares the importance of connecting lateral integration with business development, holding laterals accountable through both leading and lagging indicators, and the costly lesson of skipping due diligence during a period of urgent hiring. | 5m 40s | ||||||
| 9/10/26 | Episode 1 - CMO Series Laterals & Mergers: 2 Good 1 Bad with Grasford Smith from Akerman | Only last month we launched CMO Series: Laterals & Mergers, a podcast dedicated entirely to how law firm marketers and BD leaders navigate the complexities of lateral recruitment and firm mergers. This month we present to you the short form podcast of Laterals & Mergers: 2 Good 1 Bad. We bring on leaders from law and professional services firms to talk about the two good things they have done to drive successful lateral integration or merger, and one bad thing that they or the firm would not do again. To kick us off, Connor Kinnear was joined by Grasford Smith, a Litigation Partner and Co-Chair of the lateral integration programme at Akerman, a role he's held for the past four years alongside a fellow partner in the firm's New York office. Grasford shares insights including welcome videos that go beyond the CV, a structured, stakeholder-mapped onboarding checklist, and the risk of assuming a good programme stays good. | 4m 44s | ||||||
| 9/3/26 | collaborationlaw firms+4 | Heidi GardnerIvan Matviak | Harvard Law SchoolGardner & Co.+1 | — | collaborationlaw firms+5 | — | 35m 49s | ||
| 8/27/26 | lateral hiringtalent assessment+5 | Mark Levin | Marshall GersteinNFL+1 | ChicagoIP | lateral hiringtalent assessment+7 | — | 27m 30s | ||
| 8/20/26 | law firm growthlateral integration+3 | Kathryn Whitaker | Burr & Forman | — | law firmsmarketing strategy+5 | — | 20m 06s | ||
| 8/13/26 | law firm growthmarketing strategy+4 | Craig Budner | Budner Performance GroupK&L Gates | — | law firm growthmarketing+5 | — | 18m 15s | ||
| 8/12/26 | law firm mergersbusiness development+3 | Adam Severson | Baker Donelson | — | mergerslaw firms+4 | — | 25m 28s | ||
| 8/6/26 | client collaborationlateral hiring+3 | Dave Southern | Mayer BrownChoate, Hall & Stewart LLP | — | client collaborationlateral acquisitions+5 | — | 16m 15s | ||
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| 8/5/26 | law firm mergercommunications strategy+4 | Will Brewster | Clyde & CoBLM | — | law firm mergercommunications+6 | — | 17m 15s | ||
| 7/28/26 | client first approachproduct business development+3 | Tamasin Manwaring | LinklatersEY+2 | — | legal product developmentclient needs+3 | — | 16m 56s | ||
| 7/8/26 | business developmentboutique law firms+4 | Sarah High | Yetter Coleman | — | business developmentboutique law+5 | — | 21m 35s | ||
| 7/1/26 | legal marketingbusiness development+4 | Jennifer Shankleton | Brennan Manna & Diamond LLC | — | legal marketingbusiness development+5 | — | 31m 48s | ||
| 6/24/26 | business developmentlaw firms+3 | Helen Griffiths | Fladgate | — | business developmentlaw firms+5 | — | 34m 32s | ||
| 6/17/26 | client strategybusiness development+3 | Rob Gijsen | CMS | — | client strategybusiness development+3 | — | 21m 58s | ||
| 6/10/26 | market positioningB2B marketing+4 | Roanne Neuwirth | Hale and DorrBoston Consulting Group+3 | — | market positionservice list+5 | — | 31m 33s | ||
| 6/3/26 | growth functionlaw firms+3 | Clare Quinn-Waters | Edwin Coe | — | growth functionlaw firms+4 | — | 22m 51s | ||
| 5/20/26 | cross-sellingrevenue growth+4 | James Barclay | Passle IncHayhurst Consultancy | USUK | cross-sellingrevenue growth+6 | — | 20m 39s | ||
| 5/14/26 | CMO Series Livenetworking+3 | Natasha Sandamas | Passle | New York | CMO Seriesnetworking+5 | — | 8m 34s | ||
| 5/13/26 | client relationshipslaw firms+5 | Bela Grover | Goodwin Procter LLPDeloitte | — | client strategyBig Law+5 | — | 20m 29s | ||
| 4/29/26 | MarTechCRM transformation+3 | Iwona Kesting | Jones Day | — | MarTech stackCRM+4 | — | 25m 46s | ||
| 4/22/26 | CMO Series Special: Raya Blakeley-Glover and Mo Bunnell on Why Cross-Selling Fails and How to Fix It | Cross-selling in law firms isn’t a knowledge problem, it’s an execution problem. Most lawyers know it matters, but few do it consistently because the right infrastructure, support, and momentum aren’t in place. In this special episode of the CMO Series Podcast, recorded live, Charles Cousins explores the next era of cross-selling alongside Raya Blakeley-Glover, Director of BD, Sales & Clients at Bird & Bird, and Mo Bunnell, CEO & Founder of Bunnell Idea Group. The webinar reinforces the importance of making cross-selling client-led, measurable, and scalable, for communication to win relentlessly. Raya provides practical advice on how real progress starts once firms stop treating cross-selling as a vague aspiration and build the client-focused systems that allow lawyers to act. She emphasizes replacing hesitation with confidence through structured support, such as the sales resource and training app that Bird & Bird developed in-house. Mo broadens the perspective by framing cross-selling as a progression from simple presentations to structured programs that drive long-lasting change. He dives into his “Give to Get” concept to shift cross-selling from awkward referrals to meaningful, client-focused exchanges that build momentum. | 55m 02s | ||||||
| 4/14/26 | Episode 198 - Gemma Francis of Gemma Francis Consulting on The Lessons In-House BD Teams Need to Hear | Business development is something every law firm talks about, but far fewer truly embed it into the day-to-day habits of their lawyers. On the latest episode on the CMO Series Podcast, we sit down with Gemma Francis, a legal BD consultant who spent years working in-house before stepping out on her own. Gemma now works closely with law firms and lawyers to rethink business development approaches, focusing on mindset, practical habits, and bringing associates into the process much earlier. In today’s episode, Gemma offers a fresh perspective on the common misconceptions lawyers have about BD, the barriers that firms face, and the simple steps that BD and marketing teams can take to create real momentum. Gemma also explores: The moment she realised there was room for improvement in BD What she wishes she’d known during her former in-house career The benefits of involving early associates in BD How to overcome internal blockers stopping BD momentum Key priorities for driving BD traction | 19m 22s | ||||||
| 4/7/26 | Episode 197 - Tricia Weener of Linklaters on The Reality of Building High-Performing Teams | High-performing teams are the difference between steady progress and real growth in professional services marketing and BD. Performance doesn’t happen by accident, it’s built, shaped and led. In the latest CMO Series Podcast, Will Eke is joined by Tricia Weener, Global Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer at Linklaters, who has built a career spanning entrepreneurial ventures, scale-ups and global organisations. That breadth gives her a sharp perspective on what “high performance” actually means, and how differently it shows up depending on the environment. In this episode, we unpack what it really takes to build a high-performing team inside a global law firm and the lessons Tricia brings from outside the industry. Tricia also shares: The perspectives she’s gained during her industry-agnostic career journey How high performance shows up in different contexts The importance of building high-performing teams on strong foundations Using the power of the “three Cs” to shape team culture Practical advice for others to build sustainable high-performing teams | 21m 00s | ||||||
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Chart history for Passle CMO Series Podcast
Peaked at #181 in Australia, currently #181 in Australia.
| Market | Genre | Peak | Current | Trend |
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| Australia | — | #181 | #181 | — |
| HK | — | #195 | #195 | — |
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2 placements across 2 markets.
Chart Positions
2 placements across 2 markets.