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| Date | Episode | Topics | Guests | Brands | Places | Keywords | Sponsor | Length | |
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| 5/1/26 | ![]() Why Token Usage Tells You Almost Nothing About Your AI Product's Real Value✨ | AI product valuetoken usage+4 | — | SalesforceHubSpot+3 | — | AI measurementtoken counts+5 | — | 5m 25s | |
| 4/26/26 | ![]() Salesforce Invented a New KPI on an Earnings Call — Here's Why You Should Too✨ | KPI developmentAI metrics+3 | — | SalesforceWyndham+3 | — | SalesforceAgentic Work Unit+7 | — | 7m 06s | |
| 4/25/26 | ![]() Should You Price on Outcomes? What HubSpot's $0.50 Bet Means for Your SaaS Revenue Model✨ | SaaS pricingoutcome-based pricing+4 | — | BreezeAgent Force+2 | — | SaaSpricing strategy+8 | — | 5m 52s | |
| 4/21/26 | ![]() AI Inference Costs Are Crushing SaaS Gross Margins — Here's What to Do About It✨ | AI SaaSinference costs+4 | — | Bessemer | — | AI inference costsSaaS gross margins+5 | — | 5m 59s | |
| 4/9/26 | ![]() How to Track Digital Labor in Your SaaS P&L✨ | SaaS financeAI spend tracking+4 | — | ClaudeOpenAI+2 | — | SaaSP&L+5 | — | 5m 29s | |
| 4/2/26 | ![]() Where Tech Funding Is Flowing in 1Q26: AI Infrastructure, Vertical SaaS, and Enterprise Wins✨ | tech fundingSaaS+4 | — | AI infrastructurevertical SaaS+5 | — | SaaS fundingAI infrastructure+7 | — | 6m 48s | |
| 3/31/26 | ![]() Why Feeding Raw Data to AI Is Killing Your FP&A Accuracy✨ | AI in financeFP&A accuracy+3 | — | — | — | raw dataAI analysis+5 | — | 5m 38s | |
| 3/22/26 | ![]() The SaaSpocalypse Is Overblown: 4 Reasons Your SaaS Company Isn't Dead Yet✨ | SaaSAI impact on SaaS+4 | — | — | — | SaaSpocalypseenterprise software+5 | — | 5m 59s | |
| 3/21/26 | ![]() 3 Ways AI Could Kill Traditional SaaS✨ | AI impact on SaaSSaaS competition+3 | — | SaaSAI+1 | — | SaaSAI agents+5 | — | 4m 00s | |
| 3/18/26 | ![]() CFOs We are Implementing AI Backwards✨ | AI implementationfinance teams+4 | — | softwaremetrics.aiSaaSpocalypse+1 | — | AI workflowsSaaS metrics+5 | — | 5m 10s | |
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| 3/12/26 | ![]() What Started the SaaSpocalypse?✨ | SaaSpocalypseAI disruption+4 | — | SaaS Metrics SchoolThe SaaSpocalypse — Bull Case, Bear Case, and How to Assess SaaS Defensibility | — | SaaSpocalypseAI coding tools+4 | — | 3m 38s | |
| 3/3/26 | ![]() Here's Why AI is Not Killing SaaS | Is AI killing SaaS? Ben argues the opposite. In episode #357 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray explains why AI isn’t replacing SaaS companies — it’s amplifying subject matter expertise. Drawing on his experience building SoftwareMetrics.ai with AI coding tools, he walks through how he would not be able to create a useful expert without domain knowledge. It doens't just apply to Ben. Resources Mentioned Ben's new app at: https://softwaremetrics.ai/ What You’ll Learn Why AI is not replacing SaaS business models How subject matter expertise becomes more valuable in an AI-native world The importance of structured MRR schedules and clean invoice data How metadata (ACV, geography, vertical, company size) unlocks deeper retention insights The difference between dashboards and AI-powered revenue intelligence How AI can identify dormant expansion opportunities within your existing customer base Why It Matters AI tools amplify expertise — they don’t replace it Clean financial and customer data becomes a strategic asset Revenue intelligence goes far beyond basic retention reporting SaaS operators who understand their metrics can leverage AI more effectively Industry-specific knowledge remains a competitive moat in a world of AI tooling | 5m 19s | ||||||
| 2/25/26 | ![]() Top FP&A Solutions Used by Software Companies | In episode #356, Ben shares the results from the FP&A category of his 7th Annual SaaS Tech Stack Survey, highlighting the top financial planning and analysis solutions used in software companies today. With 37 FP&A solutions named in the survey, this remains one of the most competitive and fast-moving segments in the back-office tech stack. While spreadsheets still dominate usage—by a wide margin—dedicated FP&A platforms are gaining traction, especially as companies scale past $10M+ ARR and investor reporting requirements increase. Ben also compares this year’s results to prior years and explains how FP&A tool adoption shifts by ARR size. Resources Mentioned 7th Annual SaaS Tech Stack Survey: https://www.thesaascfo.com/surveys/finance-accounting-tech-stack-survey/ What You’ll Learn The most widely used FP&A solutions in SaaS and AI companies Why spreadsheets still dominate financial modeling workflows Which platforms are gaining momentum (Drivetrain, Mosaic, Aleph, Pigment, Planful, and others) How FP&A adoption changes as companies scale beyond $10M ARR Why enterprise-grade tools like Workday appear in larger organizations How funding and competition are reshaping the FP&A software landscape Why It Matters FP&A systems power your forecasting, budgeting, and board reporting Spreadsheet-based processes eventually break as complexity increases As ARR grows, investors expect more sophisticated financial modeling and analytics Selecting the right FP&A tool impacts forecasting accuracy, KPI visibility, and strategic planning Understanding market adoption trends helps founders and CFOs benchmark their financial systems | 4m 18s | ||||||
| 2/20/26 | ![]() Top Invoicing Solutions Used by Software Companies | In episode #355, Ben breaks down the top invoicing solutions used by SaaS and AI companies based on his 7th Annual Tech Stack Survey. With 57 different invoicing solutions named in the survey, this category shows far more fragmentation than core accounting. The top five solutions account for 55% of reported usage, but there’s still a long tail of specialized billing and revenue management platforms. Ben walks through the most widely used tools and explains how invoicing increasingly overlaps with revenue management, subscription billing, and payment processing. Resources Mentioned 7th Annual SaaS Tech Stack Survey: https://www.thesaascfo.com/surveys/finance-accounting-tech-stack-survey/ Metronome, sponsor of the invoicing category: https://metronome.com/ What You’ll Learn The top invoicing and billing solutions used in software companies Why QuickBooks and Stripe remain dominant in early and growth-stage SaaS Which newer platforms are gaining traction How fragmented the invoicing and billing landscape has become Why It Matters Invoicing is a critical link between bookings, cash flow, revenue recognition, and ARR reporting Poor billing infrastructure can break your MRR schedules and retention calculations As pricing models evolve (subscription, usage, hybrid), your invoicing system must handle complexity Revenue management tools increasingly sit between CRM, payments, and your general ledger Clean invoicing data is essential for accurate financial modeling, KPI tracking, and due diligence | 2m 58s | ||||||
| 2/19/26 | ![]() Top Accounting Solutions Used by Software Companies | In episode #354, Ben shares the results from his 7th Annual SaaS Tech Stack Survey and reveals the top accounting solutions used by software, SaaS, and AI companies today. With participation across 22 software categories, this year’s survey highlights both the consistent market leaders and the rise of newer, AI-first ERP platforms. While legacy players continue to dominate, new entrants are gaining meaningful traction. Ben breaks down the “Power Six” accounting platforms and what their market concentration tells us about the current state of financial systems in tech companies. Resources Mentioned 7th Annual SaaS Tech Stack Survey: https://www.thesaascfo.com/surveys/finance-accounting-tech-stack-survey/ Light, sponsor of the core accounting category: https://light.inc/ What You’ll Learn The top accounting and ERP systems used by SaaS and AI companies How the “Power Six” now dominate the accounting stack landscape Which newer AI-first ERP platforms are gaining traction How concentrated is the accounting software market among SaaS companies Why accounting system selection matters as companies scale ARR Why It Matters Your accounting system is the foundation of your financial reporting, SaaS metrics, and KPI tracking Poor financial systems limit your ability to calculate ARR, revenue retention, and other recurring revenue metrics As revenue grows, moving from SMB accounting tools to more robust ERP and financial systems becomes critical Investors and auditors expect scalable accounting infrastructure as companies mature Understanding market trends helps founders and CFOs evaluate whether their current financial systems can support growth | 2m 31s | ||||||
| 2/11/26 | ![]() Moving Beyond Spreadsheets to Calculate Your SaaS Metrics | Calculating SaaS metrics sounds straightforward—until you actually try to do it. In episode #353, Ben Murray breaks down why SaaS metrics are so difficult to calculate at scale, why spreadsheets eventually break, and what it really takes to produce CFO-grade metrics that stand up in the Boardroom and in due diligence. Drawing on insights from the 7th Annual SaaS Tech Stack Survey, Ben explains why 58% of companies still rely on spreadsheets and highlights the growing mix of tools aimed at solving the SaaS metrics challenge. At the core of the issue? SaaS metrics require clean, structured data from four distinct systems—and most companies don’t have that foundation in place. Resources Mentioned 7th Annual SaaS Tech Stack Survey: https://mailchi.mp/thesaascfo.com/its-here-the-2026-saas-finance-ops-tech-stack-report Waitlist for Ben's SaaS Metrics app: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeMMKm1N6g0PifGBNhFacivqA-lqePH9id93dCGKxNeBOWbFw/viewform?usp=dialog SaaS Metrics Foundation Course with App: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation What You’ll Learn The four key SaaS finance data sources required to calculate accurate metrics Why SaaS metrics are difficult to automate (and why most companies struggle) Why spreadsheets are the default starting point—and why they don’t scale The most common tools companies use today to calculate SaaS metrics Why understanding the manual process is critical before implementing software What “CFO-grade SaaS metrics” actually means Why It Matters Without structured financial data, your metrics won’t stand up to board or investor scrutiny Disconnected systems create inconsistencies that undermine trust in your numbers Spreadsheet-based processes break as transaction volume and complexity grow Accurate SaaS metrics require integrating financial, bookings, HR, and customer revenue data If your data foundation isn’t solid, automation tools won’t fix the problem | 4m 36s | ||||||
| 2/6/26 | ![]() Stripe, MRR, and the Retention Metrics Nobody Warned You About | In episode #352 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben explains why SaaS and AI founders need to get control of their Stripe data early — before transaction volume and product complexity make it unmanageable. Drawing on years of fractional CFO experience, he explains how messy Stripe data can undermine revenue accuracy, MRR schedules, retention metrics, and due diligence readiness if the data flow isn’t clearly mapped from day one. Resources Mentioned Ben’s 7th Annual Tech Stack Report: https://www.thesaascfo.com/surveys/finance-accounting-tech-stack-survey/ What You’ll Learn Why Stripe data becomes difficult to manage as transaction volume grows How Stripe feeds into revenue reporting, MRR schedules, and retention metrics What a “revenue by customer by month” (customer cube) actually requires How multiple product IDs and revenue types complicate Stripe reporting Why mapping payment, fee, and revenue flows early saves major cleanup later The role Stripe data plays in due diligence and investor scrutiny Why It Matters Stripe is often the source of truth for self-serve and PLG revenue Poorly mapped Stripe data makes MRR waterfalls and retention metrics unreliable Due diligence requires defensible revenue-by-customer schedules Fixing Stripe data problems later is far more expensive and time-consuming Clean Stripe flows enable accurate forecasting and financial clarity as you scale | 3m 19s | ||||||
| 2/3/26 | ![]() The Difference Between Bookings, Invoices, and Revenue | In episode #351 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben breaks down one of the most misunderstood areas of SaaS finance: the difference between bookings, invoices, and revenue. Using the SaaS revenue cycle as a framework, he explains how a signed contract flows through invoicing, revenue recognition, and ultimately cash collection — and why confusing these concepts leads to bad metrics, poor forecasting, and cash flow surprises. Resources Mentioned Blog post: https://www.thesaascfo.com/bookings-vs-invoicing-vs-revenue/ SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation What You’ll Learn What a booking actually represents in a SaaS or PLG business How bookings differ between sales-led and self-service models Why invoices are not the same as revenue under accrual accounting How deferred revenue works and why revenue must be recognized over time The full SaaS revenue cycle: bookings → invoices → revenue → cash Why understanding this flow is critical for financial modeling, forecasting, and cash flow planning Why It Matters Prevents overstating revenue or ARR in Board and investor reporting Improves accuracy in cash flow forecasting and runway planning Ensures go-to-market metrics like CAC payback and cost of ARR are built on the right data Reduces confusion between CRM data and accounting system source-of-truth Creates better alignment between finance, sales, and leadership teams | 3m 36s | ||||||
| 1/30/26 | ![]() Can You Actually Prove the ROI of Customer Success? | Justifying investment in customer success is far harder than justifying spend in sales and marketing. In episode #350, Ben walks through a practical framework for evaluating the ROI of customer success and retention programs by tying customer success investment directly to ARR, MRR, and revenue retention performance. Instead of relying on vague qualitative benefits, this episode outlines how finance and SaaS leaders can quantify retention improvements and translate them into real financial impact. Resources Mentioned Blog post on quantifying customer success and retention ROI: https://www.thesaascfo.com/quantifying-investments-in-customer-success-and-retention/ SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation What You’ll Learn Where customer success should be classified on the SaaS P&L (COGS vs. Sales) Why customer success ROI is harder to quantify than CAC or go-to-market efficiency How to use MRR and ARR waterfalls as the foundation for retention analysis The difference between gross revenue retention and net revenue retention in ROI modeling How expansion, contraction, and churn act as independent levers in retention A scenario-based approach to estimating ARR impact from retention improvements Why It Matters Helps justify customer success spend with real revenue and ARR impact Improves financial modeling and long-term financial strategy decisions Connects retention performance to unit economics and scalability Avoids over-investing in customer success without measurable outcomes Provides a clearer framework for board and investor discussions | 5m 43s | ||||||
| 1/27/26 | ![]() The Pitfalls of Using Your CRM to Report Official ARR Numbers | Many SaaS teams try to use their CRM to report ARR and MRR, but this creates serious risks—especially in forecasting, retention analysis, and due diligence. In episode #349, Ben explains why your CRM is rarely the correct source of truth for recurring revenue and where ARR should actually come from to ensure financial accuracy and credibility with investors and acquirers. Resources Mentioned How to Disclose ARR: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-numbers/ Ben's SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation What You’ll Learn Why CRM-based ARR reporting is often inaccurate and easy to break The difference between bookings data and revenue-based ARR What qualifies as a true source of truth for ARR and MRR How invoicing, revenue recognition, and the general ledger fit together Why CRM-reported ARR frequently fails under due diligence scrutiny When (and only when) a CRM can be trusted for recurring revenue metrics Why It Matters Prevents misleading ARR, MRR, and revenue metrics Ensures your financial systems can support investor and buyer diligence Reduces risk when calculating retention, CAC payback, and unit economics Improves confidence in Board reporting and long-term financial strategy | 3m 09s | ||||||
| 1/23/26 | ![]() Why a Perfect SaaS P&L Can Still Hide Serious Problems | In episode #348 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray responds to a thoughtful LinkedIn comment that challenged a common assumption: that a well-structured SaaS P&L tells the whole story. While a properly built chart of accounts and SaaS P&L are foundational, Ben explains where hidden risks can still exist beneath clean financial statements. Using real-world examples from SaaS founders and finance teams, this episode explores how revenue commingling, misclassified expenses, role overlap, and customer concentration can quietly distort decision-making—despite an “immaculate” P&L. Resources Mentioned LinkedIn SaaS P&L Post: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/benrmurray_saas-activity-7418308514533552128-l2eG/ SaaS P&L Blog Post: SaaS Metrics Course: What You’ll Learn Why a clean SaaS P&L can still hide structural business risk How revenue commingling and miscoding undermine financial clarity When and how to reclass employee costs across departments Why materiality matters more than perfection in early-stage accounting How customer concentration risk often surfaces late in due diligence Why It Matters A SaaS P&L is only as useful as the assumptions behind it Poor expense classification can distort margins and unit economics Misunderstanding departmental cost ownership leads to flawed decisions Customer concentration can materially impact valuation and investor confidence Strong financial systems require both structure and experienced oversight | 6m 26s | ||||||
| 1/20/26 | ![]() The Hidden Complexity Behind ARR Disclosures | In episode #347 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray explores the lesser-discussed nuances behind ARR (Annual Recurring Revenue) disclosures. Building on the prior two episodes on ARR definitions and common disclosure mistakes, this discussion dives into the assumptions and gray areas that often underlie headline ARR numbers. Drawing on extensive research across public tech company filings, Ben explains how assumptions about renewals, timing, and grace periods can materially affect how ARR is interpreted by boards, investors, and acquirers. Resources Mentioned Blog post: In-depth analysis of ARR definitions and disclosure practices: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-numbers/ SaaS Metrics course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation What You’ll Learn Why most ARR definitions assume full renewal of existing contracts How ARR disclosures typically avoid assumptions around expansion, contraction, or churn Why ARR is almost always a point-in-time metric rather than a forecast Common disclaimers used to separate ARR from GAAP revenue and financial guidance How grace periods for contract renewals can materially affect reported ARR—and how some public companies quantify that risk Why It Matters ARR assumptions directly influence how investors assess revenue durability Poorly explained ARR nuances can create confusion during due diligence Grace periods can inflate perceived recurring revenue if not disclosed properly Transparent ARR disclosures strengthen credibility with boards and potential buyers A defensible ARR definition supports better financial strategy and valuation discussions | 5m 50s | ||||||
| 1/18/26 | ![]() Common ARR Disclosure Mistakes And How to Avoid Them | In episode #346 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray breaks down the most common mistakes SaaS and AI companies make when disclosing their ARR (Annual Recurring Revenue). Building on the prior episode about the five questions every ARR definition must answer, this discussion focuses on where ARR disclosures go wrong—and why unclear definitions can damage credibility with investors, boards, and acquirers. Drawing from extensive research on public tech company filings and press releases, Ben explains how vague ARR definitions, hidden mechanics, and inconsistent methodologies create confusion and risk during fundraising, valuation discussions, and due diligence. Resources Mentioned Prior episode: The 5 Questions Your ARR Definition Must Answer SaaS Metrics Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation Blog post on ARR: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-number What You’ll Learn Why a company’s pricing model does not always match its ARR model The importance of clearly defining which revenue streams are included in ARR Common issues with vague annualization periods (monthly vs. quarterly vs. trailing periods) How poor disclosure of usage-based or variable revenue creates misleading ARR numbers Why ARR definition changes and restatements require clear explanation and transparency Why It Matters Clear ARR disclosure builds trust with investors, boards, and business leaders Poorly defined ARR can undermine company valuation and fundraising conversations Inconsistent ARR definitions make benchmarking and financial modeling unreliable Transparent ARR mechanics reduce follow-up questions during due diligence Strong financial strategy starts with defensible, repeatable revenue metrics | 3m 23s | ||||||
| 1/16/26 | ![]() Why ARR Is So Often Misstated: 5 Questions to Get It Right | Defining ARR is getting harder—not easier—as SaaS, AI, usage-based pricing, and hybrid business models evolve. In episode #345 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray breaks down the five critical questions every ARR definition must answer to hold up with Boards, investors, and during due diligence. Drawing on extensive research into how public tech companies disclose ARR in press releases and SEC filings, Ben explains why ARR is not “dead” but why vague or inconsistent ARR definitions undermine credibility, comparability, and company valuation. This episode provides a practical framework to help SaaS leaders, CFOs, and founders clearly define ARR in a way that supports accurate metrics, financial modeling, and investor trust. Resources Mentioned Blog post on ARR definitions and disclosure best practices: https://www.thesaascfo.com/cfos-guide-to-disclosing-headline-arr-numbers/ Ben's SaaS Metrics training: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation You’ll Learn The five questions every ARR definition must answer to be investor-ready Which revenue types belong in ARR—and which should be excluded The difference between revenue-based, contract-based, and hybrid ARR calculations How public SaaS and AI companies annualize subscription and usage-based revenue Common approaches for handling variable, consumption, and usage revenue in ARR Why vague ARR definitions create confusion in fundraising and due diligence Why It Matters Clear ARR definitions improve credibility with investors and business leaders Poorly defined ARR can negatively impact company valuation Consistent ARR logic enables better KPI tracking and benchmarking Transparent ARR disclosures reduce friction during fundraising and M&A Accurate ARR supports stronger financial strategy and forecasting Well-defined revenue categories improve accounting and financial systems | 7m 03s | ||||||
| 1/13/26 | ![]() How Public Tech Companies Are Categorizing ARR | In episode #344 of SaaS Metrics School, Ben Murray shares insights from his research into how public tech companies define and disclose ARR in press releases and SEC filings. By analyzing U.S. and global public companies, Ben identifies common ARR “buckets” and explains how different revenue models influence what gets included in ARR. Rather than debating whether ARR is “dead,” this episode focuses on how companies are actually reporting ARR today—and what private SaaS and AI companies can learn from those disclosures. Resources Mentioned Subscribe to Ben’s SaaS newsletter: https://mailchi.mp/df1db6bf8bca/the-saas-cfo-sign-up-landing-pageVerint (example of detailed SaaS and AI ARR disclosures): https://www.thesaascfo.com/ai-arr-vs-saas-arr-how-to-define-and-calculate/ What You’ll Learn The most common ARR buckets used by public SaaS and tech companies How pure subscription revenue is typically defined in ARR How companies handle variable revenue such as usage, transactions, and overages When managed services revenue is included in ARR—and when it isn’t Why purely usage-based companies rarely report ARR How revenue models and pricing structures shape ARR definitions What ARR disclosures signal to investors and the public markets Why It Matters ARR definitions directly impact how investors interpret growth Clear ARR buckets improve transparency and credibility Mixed revenue models require thoughtful ARR construction Public company disclosures set expectations for private companies Poor ARR definitions can confuse metrics, forecasting, and valuation Understanding ARR structure helps align finance, accounting, and reporting | 5m 01s | ||||||
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